In post 960, sangres wrote:Anyway, I really don't like mastina's flavor-case. It takes a cartoonish oversimplification of HG to call her a baddie IMO, given how evil and twisted the antagonists of that series are.
You apparently are forgetting that HG Wells's goal was
literally to destroy the world
, and that, through outwitting, outmaneuvering, the heroes, through manipulation, deceit, experience, and sheer ruthlessness, almost succeeded. And the only thing causing her to have not succeeded was Myka talking her out of it; Myka, in of herself, couldn't stop HG Wells, because HG Wells had
won
.
During her tenure as an antagonist, she WAS genuinely evil and twisted. She was sympathetic (tho that's not a trait unique to her as an antagonist; I recall the first Big Bad was also fairly sympathetic especially near the end), and more sympathetic than most villains, and the parallels of her and Myka did lead to her redemption (similar to how, had she not outright murdered the first Big Bad, it was possible his parallels to Artie could've led to his potential redemption), but she WAS a villain for a full season, and thus calling her town for what she ended up being at the end is a mistake.
I happen to believe, given the flavor and mechanics of the game, that it is more likely she is scum than that she is town.
In post 960, sangres wrote:It's almost as bad as calling Artie a likely scum role because of what using Magellan's Astrolabe did to him.
And why do you think that
isn't
a possibility?
Sure, it ultimately is penguin's decision, it's ultimately penguin's choice, penguin_alien very well may have opted not to do so and if so there would be reasonably good reasons for it, because Artie wasn't a villain for all but one season.
But it is ultimately penguin's decision, and Artie very well
could
be a villain, specifically thanks to a flavor justification OF using what Magellan's Astrolabe did to him. He, Artie, literally killed one of the supporting, borderline-main-characters, characters, one of the first to die in the show and one who was literally irreplaceable thanks to their unique talent. He orchestrated a bunch of very bad things that happened thanks to that artefact's influence, and was, essentially, thanks to the delusions/brainwashing of that artifact, essentially the (unwitting) Big Bad of a full season.
You can make the argument either way--Artie could be town for his overall presence as a hero, or Artie could be scum for his tenure as an (unwitting) Big Bad-tier villain who did absolutely atrocious acts.
If someone does end up claiming to be Artie, I would do the obvious: judge whether they are more likely to be town or scum off of their claimed role and crossreferencing it to the game's mechanics AND the flavor backing it. If I thought that it was more likely Artie was scum, I would vote him; if I thought it was more likely that this was Artie as town, I would defend him.
And that's true of Prism. I understand the flavor behind why HG Wells would be town--I am also intimately familiar with the flavor behind why she would be scum. And I am judging the claim of Prism being HG Wells and whether they are more likely to be town or scum off of their claimed role and crossreferencing it to the game's mechanic and the flavor backing it.
And it makes a LOT more sense for Prism to be scum starting with the trident than it does for Prism to be town starting with it.
Tell me: during what period in the show does HG Wells own the trident? Is it during her time as a hero, or a villain?
Tell me: during the pregame, which faction do we know started with artifacts from the game mechanics?
Tell me: on the show, was the trident an artifact used by the heroes or an artifact used by the villains? (Okay this one I admit I don't remember the exact answer to but I remember at least one villain who used it.)
