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In post 979, Infinity 324 wrote:Why did you think 97 or 230 could be AI at all?

In post 986, Infinity 324 wrote:Bulge why didn't you ask a clarifying question about the skitt read? Or try to take into account the context (skitt's overall enjoyment of playing scum lately)?

In post 936, notscience wrote:your response to me makes no sense. I'm sorry you don't get 1 on 1 interaction but you have multiple interactions from me with multiple people, with nacho with multiple people, kismet, VFT, etc. If you want me to listen to your reads I need more than "They have easy reads." The entire playerlist has easy reads. Noone has had ANY controversial reads. It's literally how a lot of games have gone recently, where the easy answers are the right ones. You can prove me wrong by showing me if you're town (by doing things, not by complaining) so I can figure out who I have to reevaluate.

In post 963, Infinity 324 wrote:you tried to push VFT and it didn't take. And for everyone else, I don't know who you're

In post 1039, Venus Fly Trap wrote:I'm gonna be honest i dont know where to put dc rn, i kinda want to put them above the null line but that doesnt feel quite right and null isnt either

In post 1049, notscience wrote:In xeno he was stamping his feet throughout day one as Cabd managed to amass a wagon on him without a case. I think it was more over the top ans aggressive compared to the understated nature here, if that makes sense. The delicacy of the frustration made me lean town.

Do I think it’s fake able? Potentially. Do I think this is the game? Not really.

Ninja-
Was for ydra

A bit concerned about mena’s disappearance but understand real life is a thing. Was very meh about his townread on me and feels like he just got that intro “townread notsci and he’ll ignore you” from a buddy

In post 1049, notscience wrote:In xeno he was stamping his feet throughout day one as Cabd managed to amass a wagon on him without a case. I think it was more over the top ans aggressive compared to the understated nature here, if that makes sense. The delicacy of the frustration made me lean town.

Do I think it’s fake able? Potentially. Do I think this is the game? Not really.

Ninja-
Was for ydra

A bit concerned about mena’s disappearance but understand real life is a thing. Was very meh about his townread on me and feels like he just got that intro “townread notsci and he’ll ignore you” from a buddy

In post 1065, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:i think infinity is town

i think nm actively avoiding creating content and catching zero heat for it makes him very likely scum

~leaf

In post 1066, Salsabil Faria wrote:245, 246: are actually pretty bad, totally passive. After called out by some players, you elaborate yours takes on 258 which I find more suspicious, cause I think if you're town, you would start from 258.

In post 1066, Salsabil Faria wrote:From nearly post nothing?? I really don't understand why town!you want to sheep me or scum!you want to pocket me. What's going on you head exactly?

In post 1085, Venus Fly Trap wrote:aren’t those all people who said they didn’t want an NM elim? so you think these slots are all scum with NM but refused to elim him, effectively townsiding, because ?

- lilith

In post 1086, Venus Fly Trap wrote:also i assume vfp is supposed to be us

can you explain how you got to this pool? and then how these reads make sense in the context of defending NM from elimination?

- lilith

In post 1101, Momrangal wrote:But hes town for pushing the PL on NM and that didn't take?
Also, what are the other reasons for scumcho? How are you even making this assertion when Nacho backed away from that scum read before other people had serious opinions about it?

In post 555, Venus Fly Trap wrote:>.>
wait i actually just read it and shouldn't have just looked at the sig before posting
ok i very much disagree with this philosophy because i have no idea what you're thinking this game and while you *might* have a point that readslists are bad (i don't raelly agree with that but whatever) if i can't figure out what your reads are at all we have a problem, esp. since i know that town!you tends to have good reads (and they'd be useful to have) and scum!you doesn't like to post

~ skitter

In post 556, Infinity 324 wrote:Not sure if you've gotten to it yet, I think beeboy's read on me was towny.

In post 564, SirCakez wrote:Cartel little less yikes. more meh now.

VOTE: leafeon and glaceon

In post 568, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm not confident in my ability to read cakez, but he feels pretty towny tbh

In post 570, SirCakez wrote:If Kismet is bork that is OBVIOUSLY town

In post 447, Disaster Cartel wrote:Seems hella convenient that you’re sussing me when I’m like the only one who hasn’t been happy to rubberstamp you as town, kismet!

-Mena

This post is really shitty though and it has such a dumb and illogical implication. Who would go after someone just because they refuse to TR you? This insinuates scum motivation behind the move but that would be such a dumb scum move.

In post 571, SirCakez wrote:

In post 504, Disaster Cartel wrote:and no, my why on you is partially that, but moreso because I think your SR on me seems fabricated or like it’s at the very least treating me with bad faith

really dislike this
why is DC so concerned with how they are being read? the initial argument here was terrible

Spoiler:

In post 597, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote: Other notes:
I should read Cakez over tbh? I am starting to lean town on Nacho just due to the general way he is trying to inquire about certain things. Mena's approach of me is consistent to the one he had in the dance game where I was actually scum, although I efforted in that game like, not at all.... I really just wanted to pair with the IC then leave the dance so the circumstances were different but it's fine. Cakez I was avoiding to read simply because I don't like lynching him day one because it happens to him so often but I don't think that's fair to the rest of the player base since I'd just be giving him a pass because I like him and feel guilty.

~Glaceon

In post 607, Disaster Cartel wrote:

In post 246, SirCakez wrote:Done reading. Disaster Cartel is AWFUL and I do not want to move my vote. Nacho is also just ??????? leaning towards scum. All of the hydras are not good actually.

this might seem like a dumb thing to point out but why didn't you say you weren't crazy about our slot in your small list of reads? or had you just not read us at that point? bc i feel like if you think we're that awful we would have been a slot you weren't that crazy about

- ydra

In post 637, Venus Fly Trap wrote:but I think ydrasse is slightly +town in the last few pages

- lilith

In post 639, Venus Fly Trap wrote:okay nvm I started reading and my brain can't stop

I still think infinity/leafeon interactions feel weirdly weak. infinity's line of questioning on "do you post like this as scum" etc doesn't seem like it's really meant to go anywhere meaningful and ends with her soft-townreading leafeon. I don't see how misty's responses were particularly towny.

- lilith

In post 648, Venus Fly Trap wrote: if I'm having a hard time following and understanding Nacho's reasons for his initial push of NM, his read on our slot, the kind of "agenda" that he's presenting to people for why he acts in certain ways, then I think he's way more likely to be scum based on my own experiences.

In post 649, The Bulge wrote:

In post 641, Venus Fly Trap wrote:oh hi bulge

what did you think about beeboy posting 523 right after that?

- lilith

i think the exchange between inf and leaf ended very unnaturally. then beeboy sort of takes his turn after, tying it back with a mutual TR on inf. all of his other posts in that burst are completely pointless filler

In post 925, SirCakez wrote:ok then do something Mom. I'm not stopping you but you're acting all indignant.

In post 931, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 922, Momrangal wrote:No. It's entirely unacceptable for a rep in to have a bigger game state awareness compared to someone who's been here from go.

I don't really understand this. Who are you saying doesn't have good game state awareness and why?

And if you have good game state awareness to this point, where is it? I've skimmed a few of your town games since you've been back and you've become a sharp town player. This isn't that. Show me what you're capable of.

In post 651, Venus Fly Trap wrote:

In post 645, Infinity 324 wrote:

In post 639, Venus Fly Trap wrote:I still think infinity/leafeon interactions feel weirdly weak. infinity's line of questioning on "do you post like this as scum" etc doesn't seem like it's really meant to go anywhere meaningful and ends with her soft-townreading leafeon. I don't see how misty's responses were particularly towny.

Basically I had this idea where mistyx would not force thoughts if she didn't have any as town where she would force them as scum. It doesnt look like that was correct, but I finished townreading her for 510 which I felt like she would've presented differently (perhaps not even quoting my post) if it was both wrong and fake as opposed to just wrong.

I tried to follow your train of thought, misty's train of thought in 510, her initial post in 500, and the post she quoted as "your original push on her" which was just you saying you felt motivationless and I do not understand how any of that is resulting in a townread on misty

- lilith

In post 662, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:

In post 639, Venus Fly Trap wrote:okay nvm I started reading and my brain can't stop

I still think infinity/leafeon interactions feel weirdly weak. infinity's line of questioning on "do you post like this as scum" etc doesn't seem like it's really meant to go anywhere meaningful and ends with her soft-townreading leafeon. I don't see how misty's responses were particularly towny.

- lilith

In post 640, The Bulge wrote:hey wow I was just reading that part and thinking exactly the same thing

what do you two think about kismet's part in the interaction then?

~leaf

In post 674, Venus Fly Trap wrote:

In post 196, Venus Fly Trap wrote:Ya he was pissed at me in that jk++ cuz we were hydra'd and i wouldnt let hjm flip nm and nm was actually scum and he's getting annoyed at me again and idk why he would if he were scum here

@bulge this was the context
~ skits

In post 678, Infinity 324 wrote: I do think nacho believes it's protown to lim NM here, but he's scum for other reasons

In post 680, The Bulge wrote:

In post 671, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:Bulge do you have other reasons to scum read infinity outside the exchange she had with me?

~Glaceon

yes

In post 686, notscience wrote:Hot take: Nacho is planning on dying d1 as scum and bussed all his buddies so they could ride the towncred

I feel like it's coming off I'm tunneling but I'm really looking more for townreads and havent really found a reason to townread him

Either you guys are obsessed or I'm failing to see what you guys are seeing He is in my null-list btw.

In post 694, Kismet wrote:

In post 637, Venus Fly Trap wrote:but I think ydrasse is slightly +town in the last few pages

don't really agree so far, and trying not to be tunnely, but i think Ydrasse was dragged kicking and screaming into the "fun-zone" instead of wanting to be there organically and is exhibiting the most bare minimum levels of Ydrassity in order not to get speed elimed

In post 711, Not_Mafia wrote:Y'all post too much, how am I supposed to scumhunt like this?

Ikr!

In post 713, SirCakez wrote:

In post 706, Kismet wrote:I think a lot of my trepidation around nacho revolves around my history of scumreading him and him never ever being scum (still to this day don't recall a T-bork S-nacho table)

i'm basically trying to search in my heart of hearts to see if 458 comes from town and see if his incredulity is because i am not getting him there or if he's just pushing me away.

The point i was trying to make in the post at the beginning of that chain was that he goes in w/ cakez and makes a big deal about how he's going to make the game miserable for cakez if his attitude continues, which isn't a sentiment i expect from someone unsure of why cakez is doing what he's doing, and i don't know if nacho legitimately missed the point i was trying to make and thought i was saying "his push was unwarranted" or is just trying to be obtuse about it.

the thing that gives me pause is that nacho and i have interacted this way in the past, although admittedly not recently.

I just don't have a lot of confidence in my ability to read him overall.

see he's right that I have misread him many times before
but also like as scum would he lean into that against me?
:/

In post 714, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:

In post 680, The Bulge wrote:

In post 671, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:Bulge do you have other reasons to scum read infinity outside the exchange she had with me?

~Glaceon

yes

Good talk

~Glaceon

In post 715, notscience wrote:Would [scum] go out of their way to discredit and deter someone with a high likelihood of scumreading them?

Would [towb] go out of their way to discredit and deter someone with a high likelihood of scumreading them?

In post 739, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 523, Leafeon and Glaceon wrote:420 and 422

I know these posts basically just agree with what Nacho said.
But I still town read it anyway, it feels like almost annoyed in a way?
Like "my read here is above average, I know its not perfect but that's good enough for me", like the way it's written just feels super town to me. As scum I feel like it would read more like someone who is simply just arguing semantics rather then what I am seeing here.

What does Mist think of your point here?

In post 742, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 528, Disaster Cartel wrote:Given that I can’t just be sheeping him bc of that, I find it weird that someone who’s coming to the game from a v similar viewpoint in many ways, he doesn’t see as town

Two pieces of my response here.

First, you'll find that no read that I make goes "I agree with his reads thus likelier to be town" nor "I disagree with his reads thus less likely to be town". I believe this just makes the confirmation bias problem worse - I don't know if my reads are right or wrong so for all I know I could be townreading the scumteam and trying to kill townies.

In post 748, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 568, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm not confident in my ability to read cakez, but he feels pretty towny tbh

I'm starting to agree with this.

And I'm failing to see what townie thing(s) he did so far

In post 1087, Momrangal wrote:Who says going against an NM elimination is town siding?

In post 1092, Disaster Cartel wrote:this game is annoying and I can't be fucked so ydra is running our slot until I feel like playing again

-Mena

In post 1102, SirCakez wrote:

@lilith

so this sticks out in your skimming

In post 1105, Momrangal wrote:

In post 1085, Venus Fly Trap wrote:aren’t those all people who said they didn’t want an NM elim? so you think these slots are all scum with NM but refused to elim him, effectively townsiding, because ?

- lilith

In post 1086, Venus Fly Trap wrote:also i assume vfp is supposed to be us

can you explain how you got to this pool? and then how these reads make sense in the context of defending NM from elimination?

- lilith

What's your opinion on the beginning of the game if you think 5that Nacho going for the NM pl is scum-motivated?

Conversely how do you suppose the scum partners of NM to react when they see scum!NM being pushed the way it was? I think this needs to be brought back because there was alot of pressure on Nacho for pressing against NM and no one is willing to talk to me about it. Activity plateaued as soon as Nacho moved away from the subject and no one is thinking about why that had even happened

In post 1107, Infinity 324 wrote:The way mom is approaching sorting this game doesn't feel genuine

In post 1110, Salsabil Faria wrote:I can see this is happening here, and it's actually making Disaster Cartel look good. I don't see Leafeon and Glaceon vs Disaster Cartel as SvS yet.

In post 1110, Salsabil Faria wrote:Well, then why are you singling out Nachomamma8 only? Menalque (from Disaster Cartel) also has same Not_Mafia agenda, but don't understand why everyone is scumreading Nachomamma8 but not Menalque for this?
I also don't like when 2 heads of the same hydra have completely different pov, it's hard for me to sort them.

In post 1114, Venus Fly Trap wrote:

In post 1092, Disaster Cartel wrote:this game is annoying and I can't be fucked so ydra is running our slot until I feel like playing again

-Mena

what’s “annoying” about it

you feel like you did in panic room with this whole “it’s not MY fault everyone is scumreading me, read me better!!1!1!1!” and then flouncing off without giving us a way to read you better.

- lilith

In post 1102, SirCakez wrote:

In post 1049, notscience wrote:In xeno he was stamping his feet throughout day one as Cabd managed to amass a wagon on him without a case. I think it was more over the top ans aggressive compared to the understated nature here, if that makes sense. The delicacy of the frustration made me lean town.

Do I think it’s fake able? Potentially. Do I think this is the game? Not really.

Ninja-
Was for ydra

A bit concerned about mena’s disappearance but understand real life is a thing. Was very meh about his townread on me and feels like he just got that intro “townread notsci and he’ll ignore you” from a buddy

Hi
I would like to talk to you at some point so I can sort your slot!

@lilith

so this sticks out in your skimming[/quote
Just noticed this quote was fucked up
Was supposed to be:

In post 1059, Venus Fly Trap wrote:just popping in before I pass out. as before, please @ me if there’s specific stuff I need to respond to. I skimmed some but have not read the longer posts in depth. feeling like the wagons shifting away from nacho even though bork (who I think is pretty UTR) is/was voting for nacho is suspicious/noteworthy, but I’m not really sure what implications that has yet. also planning on reading nacho’s walls and back and forth with kismet but it won’t be before the weekend.

I want bulge to be town because it felt like we were mindmelding last night on infinity and lfg as far as I could tell though, that didn’t even merit a mention in bulge’s read on our slot - which in retrospect makes it seem like he was using me as a springboard to push infinity/l&g and that we weren’t mindmelding at all, because that’s usually a very prevalent part of my read on someone

goodbye for now. will try to check in again asap but don’t know when, I’m hoping hell season ends soon

- lilith

In post 1102, SirCakez wrote:

In post 1049, notscience wrote:In xeno he was stamping his feet throughout day one as Cabd managed to amass a wagon on him without a case. I think it was more over the top ans aggressive compared to the understated nature here, if that makes sense. The delicacy of the frustration made me lean town.

Do I think it’s fake able? Potentially. Do I think this is the game? Not really.

Ninja-
Was for ydra

A bit concerned about mena’s disappearance but understand real life is a thing. Was very meh about his townread on me and feels like he just got that intro “townread notsci and he’ll ignore you” from a buddy

Hi
I would like to talk to you at some point so I can sort your slot!

@lilith

so this sticks out in your skimming

In post 1059, Venus Fly Trap wrote:just popping in before I pass out. as before, please @ me if there’s specific stuff I need to respond to. I skimmed some but have not read the longer posts in depth. feeling like the wagons shifting away from nacho even though bork (who I think is pretty UTR) is/was voting for nacho is suspicious/noteworthy, but I’m not really sure what implications that has yet. also planning on reading nacho’s walls and back and forth with kismet but it won’t be before the weekend.

I want bulge to be town because it felt like we were mindmelding last night on infinity and lfg as far as I could tell though, that didn’t even merit a mention in bulge’s read on our slot - which in retrospect makes it seem like he was using me as a springboard to push infinity/l&g and that we weren’t mindmelding at all, because that’s usually a very prevalent part of my read on someone

goodbye for now. will try to check in again asap but don’t know when, I’m hoping hell season ends soon

- lilith