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To directly comment on that

At first I thought it towny because it was so out there, surely scum would be too self conscious

But on a review I thought it was a little bit ham-fisted, seemed a little forced and neither Ali nor Wisdom were big fans. Imagine's elaboration afterwards made a bit more sense tho

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Oops. There went my WiM.

This is exactly why I have no business pushing wagons in a micro.

We should kill worstie or imagine but I'm too indecisive

VOTE: worst

VOTE: imaginality

I'm still a spiteful SoB.

I lean worst because I think Bingle is town whereas worst could be scum with SS

TBH i dont know if ill ever budge from Bingle/House town so thats sort of why im just voting and being through with it

SS I think individually is less scum but also has less chances of being 8-ball

Worst or imagine *might* be town 8-balls, technically, and if they are and we eliminate them i will BLOW UP

Is this where I point out that if I were scum I'd have kept Taly around because he strongly town read me? And to have an extra player who was on the Wisdom wagon to give more cover in numbers?

unoffical vc

2 the worst (Bingle, Morning Tweet)
2 imaginality (the worst, House)

2 Not Voting (imaginality, Something_Smart)

I mean... who else would you have killed though? All the other options seem bad and if you really wanted to keep all Wisdom wagon alive, you had to kill worst or SS which are both valid mislims

In post 1107, Morning Tweet wrote:unoffical vc

2 the worst (Bingle, Morning Tweet)
2 imaginality (the worst, House)

2 Not Voting (imaginality, Something_Smart)

the worst wagon gives scum an easy win if he's 8-ball and the scum team is imaginality & S_S.

Food for thought.

i mean imaginality wagon is an easy win for worst/SS

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But i will grant you that imagine is probably an unlikely 8-ball, i think

Last time we said that it didnt go well

In post 1107, Morning Tweet wrote:unoffical vc

2 the worst (Bingle, Morning Tweet)

2 imaginality (the worst, House)

2 Not Voting (imaginality, Something_Smart)

In post 1108, Morning Tweet wrote:I mean... who else would you have killed though? All the other options seem bad and if you really wanted to keep all Wisdom wagon alive,

you had to kill worst or SS which are both valid mislims

Lol...

The worst lied about his change in read on Bingle.
I really don't buy that 'a few days ago' can mean 36 hours ago.

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I've explained why I went after Ali for her reaction to Wisdom. And why you replacing Ali then led me to reconsider.
Up to you if you believe me about that or not.


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I kind of agree that I'm a relatively unlikely 8-ball, but also that scum out-wifommed us on that front so I don't think we can lean too much on that either way.

I think the worst, SS and I are all similar enough chances of being 8-ball (see my earlier odds post for my estimates) that if we're eliminating from that pool today we should just go for who we think is scummiest.

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In post 1113, House wrote:

In post 1107, Morning Tweet wrote:unoffical vc

2 the worst (Bingle, Morning Tweet)

2 imaginality (the worst, House)

2 Not Voting (imaginality, Something_Smart)

In post 1108, Morning Tweet wrote:I mean... who else would you have killed though? All the other options seem bad and if you really wanted to keep all Wisdom wagon alive,

you had to kill worst or SS which are both valid mislims

Lol...

I mean if he's town and u kno dat

In post 1047, Morning Tweet wrote:

In post 1041, the worst wrote:now i'm kind of wondering if we were all secretly a little suss of taly and the scumteam just didn't clock that LOL

i definitely would have killed Taly so oopds

MT scum confrimed

In post 1047, Morning Tweet wrote:Open question: Who is least likely 8-ball in worsty/imagine/SS, who is least likely town etc etc even though im sure lots of people have decided already

i think mom was kinda low energy and kinda got away with it but might have been a bit nervous goin into today. she was given a free pass d1 tbqh. imagi kinda got away with a lot and wasn't really widely scumread outside of Wisdom...? if we kill imagi and hit a vengekill it's like, awkward but not the worst. i don't really think he came into today feeling like he was all that scared for his life after wisdom's flip so my intuition still tells me the 8ball is in the {bingle,tw} dichotomy on hopes that bingle would double down and we'd just murder each other in the face.

In post 1047, Morning Tweet wrote:

In post 1036, the worst wrote:I mean my 180 is literally real brain thoughts. but I can see why you're concerned, I'm a scary ducky.

counterpoint tho if I was planning to win today with a bingle push would I like.. not have pushed Bingle....

What would you have done, in theory?

in a world where i am scum w/o bingle + bingle is 8-ball? basically:
i've been like hella lazy so far so i'd probably do some more like, vocal/towny-looking stuff to accumulate a little more clout. if I'm scum in this game my ability to win is currently v low. i'm town and think we can read our way thru the problems we have atm, so my wincon doesn't feel super hard to achieve if i need to die before endgame. so accumulating clout and trying to avoid heat directly on me would be gr8. as far as getting the bingle elim - i didn't really have a firm gauge of how d2 would open except that i thought bingle would probably still wanna lim me. i think i could get away with frantic re-evaluating for a couple of days while people weighed in (and as it were, replacements caught up) and get a better idea for the like, thread zeitgeist around bingle.

i also don't really think bingle has towntold until today when he was fairly convinced he'd be in a dire 1v1 and desperately needed my elim. that's pretty consistent with Bingle's townplay - he's very capable of strong town play, but doesn't tend to townTELL until something piques his interest. it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens). so if he wasn't going to reevaluate his read on me, i'd be better to position myself as townier, so that he looks like he's pushing a half-baked read on someone he's tunnelling for d1 lurking. I think that's a less exciting world than the perceived 1v1 we're locked into atm. to that end, most especially: my engaging in his perception of a 1v1 increases his investment in the game, which means he's both more likely to towntell and more likely to actually get my elimination. so like, i'd do roughly the opposite of what i'm doing here.

but also if you want to assume that all of this is bullshit and i'm just making it up as i go (partly true), let's assume i just would have gone all-out today and tried to dunk on bingle. would i not have done so by going over his d1? his moves around the wisdom wagon are optically bad, and he has pretty limited associatives with most slots. even once you split out optics, i genuinely think there's enough there that i could have worked a case if i wanted to. that would have also helped with my thread position (and like if i was hypothetically scum with imagi he's pretty present, so we could just work different angles in sync).

In post 1108, Morning Tweet wrote:I mean... who else would you have killed though? All the other options seem bad and if you really wanted to keep all Wisdom wagon alive, you had to kill worst or SS which are both valid mislims

the worst, 100%

If I were in my scum mindset in this game, he seems unpredictable and smart, and I would want to control the risks of unpredictable brilliance shaking things up.

That said, I guess it's not like this discussion matters because if I were scum the NK might be driven by my buddy more than me.

In post 1115, imaginality wrote:The worst lied about his change in read on Bingle.
I really don't buy that 'a few days ago' can mean 36 hours ago.

"Lied" is pretty transparent posturing. I've just had one of the busiest weeks of my year (second Pfizer shot, end of financial quarter at work, covering for people, multiple shifts in my second job, MS responsibilities have been a bit hectic). I also fairly clearly wield a nonchalant ditzy public persona. I'm struggling to believe that you actually just think this was a blatant lie and that it would have been in my interests to even lie about that. Lol.[/quote]

In post 1115, imaginality wrote:I think the worst, SS and I are all similar enough chances of being 8-ball (see my earlier odds post for my estimates) that if we're eliminating from that pool today we should just go for who we think is scummiest.

this is not a helpful strategy if we just go straight into 1:3. if we can try to hit 1:4, we absolutely should. 1:4 is a massive advantage over 2:4 or 1:3 just to be clear - in 1:4, we can miselim an 8-ball and get away with it.

In post 1119, imaginality wrote:unpredictable and smart

he's vegan, he's near my timezone, and he complimented me. i think i found my new best friend.

In post 1118, the worst wrote: my intuition still tells me the 8ball is in the {bingle,tw} dichotomy on hopes that bingle would double down and we'd just murder each other in the face.

Convenient view for {Bingle, the worst} scum team to hold

I can see why Bingle is an obv 8-ball candidate if town, but I don't see why scum would assume Bingle would have enough clout today to drive the lim on you, so you seeing yourself as likely 8-ball seems more like scum guiltiness, or defence against pressure being on you, compared with objectively justified.