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Also for the top many investigative, who cares? Half the game can become millers.

Dunn also claims he used role stop on Dwlee slot.

Dwlee slot was tracked by me last night and they went nowhere

This goes along by both role stop and dwlee claim that they targeted no one. so we also have that information in public now.

pedit: the whole result claim and vampire - vampire hunter thing came to play today



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Oh

Blah I might be biased against Mastina and one of Dunn or roden is scum.

I still think the win is ours with dwee scum though.

Anyways What I'm 100% certain about right now are the following:

1 - There is 100% a scum between Dunnstral and Roden. It is mechanically confirmed.

2 - Roden play there makes no sense if he just wanted dunn killed. he could just not claim his wincondition is to get him killed as well. He has extra winconditions in addition to wanting dunn dead, survivor or town or whatever else. But its certain his game doesn't end with dunn death.

3 - Dunnstral passive is a scum utility.

Also note that Roden claim of extra win condition claim makes sense if there are possibilities of multiple vampires that are not entirely bad, He just knows they are not town according to what he claimed so they can be survivors - making sense with how they cant get viged also according to roden claim. so maybe there are 2 vampires in game one a natural 3p and one a scum.

We also know dunn can't be a natural 3p if roden is telling the truth and he is evil as he insisted on denying that and claimed he is town. (that was how roden played in sneak chat and why he claimed everything including his win condition)

So based on all I saw in sneak chat, Dunn is the scum and roden is telling the truth - is my deduction.

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So Dunn and dwee scum?

Can someone, preferably Roden, just confirm whether Roden would leave the game in victory in the scenario that he achieved this side wincon?

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we might be dealing with a multi ball with evil 3p roles here. so wouldn't even be surprised to see one more scum + 1 natural 3p in addition to that

Specially with all these utilities thrown in setup - low NK and revive

Sigh. I was writing up my post, I hit preview, and saw Angel more or less got the gist of it. There's a bit more stuff I claimed in the hood, but I don't want to full claim here since it would be anti-town and purely benefit scum. Though Dunn's trying to get me to out it anyway because he made a bad slip and is deciding to scum side lol.

One thing I'll note is that Dunn is straight up lying about a vampire faction existing. I never claimed one did, and both Angel and Mastina can back that up. I said vampires aren't town-aligned, that's it. I don't know if they're group scum or 3P, which was why I asked if he could town side in the first place. He's only claiming town, which I know is impossible but whatever, if he's scum he can't exactly claim scum lol. Idk why he refused to claim 3P, but I'm assuming he's hostile 3P and is afraid a Strongman shot can permanently kill him (current working theory is that vampires don't die to plain Vig shots which is why he's asking to get shot, he knows he won't die).

If I were scum I'd Strongman kill him, and if I were 3P Executioner I'd fake a better case. Dunn doesn't mention that I genuinely tried to come up with an alternate solution, that I gave him a chance to town side, that I full claimed in a show of good will and honesty, or that I even explained that if I wanted to just elim him that I could've just waited and faked a guilty tomorrow. The game does not end with a vampire elimination, and seeing as my role informs me that multiple vampires exist I think it's pretty silly to think 2-3 players have a chance to end the game immediately upon elimination. And if you look at the wagons, I haven't been on any that went through, so I'm clearly not trying to just wagon people haphazardly and hope I elim a vampire. I'm simply not a 3P and my play proves it.

You can elim me then rez me if you want to peek at my alignment and wincon yourselves. Death kinda doesn't mean much with the Mage tree lol.

In post 1098, Shiro wrote:

In post 1096, Frozen Angel wrote:Dunn stole your 1 shot engineer role last night

Sucks to be him. It's used up xD

I just upgraded somebody elses role. It looks like the role thief also refreshes the shot if you really did use it already. If the masonizer is Titus' primary role, you can grab another copy of that, keeping in mind that only the target of the actual masonizer, and not the stealer of the role, would be confirmed as town

In post 1111, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1098, Shiro wrote:

In post 1096, Frozen Angel wrote:Dunn stole your 1 shot engineer role last night

Sucks to be him. It's used up xD

I just upgraded somebody elses role. It looks like the role thief also refreshes the shot if you really did use it already. If the masonizer is Titus' primary role, you can grab another copy of that, keeping in mind that only the target of the actual masonizer, and not the stealer of the role, would be confirmed as town

And you didn't because?

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Speedrun Sneak.
Everyone steal Titus ability.
Target someone.

GG EZ.

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In post 1112, Enchant wrote:And you didn't because?

I didn't even know Titus had that role, and it's not clear that the role thief recharges the shot from what is explained.

I still have my engineer from mage tree but I have no idea who isn't upgraded yet

Trying to upgrade somebody who is already upgraded does not waste the shot.

In post 1107, jjh927 wrote:Can someone, preferably Roden, just confirm whether Roden would leave the game in victory in the scenario that he achieved this side wincon?

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With regard to the masoniser, I want to hear from LLD how much she knows about it, particularly around Titus' alignment, because that's pretty key information for whether or not we have to place Titus and what the play would be if people wanted to steal the role.

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Mastina is a possibility, but we've discussed in the hood that it could be...risky.

I don't think Enchant is upgraded?



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Wait, just upgrade LLD lol

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I upgraded self.

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Lol true

Done