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Fair enough. That's basically where I thought you were going from your original post, which is why I didn't chase the question down earlier. To paraphrase: It's such a terribad, risky scum plan that it's not worth factoring it into your analysis, therefore Ben should be assumed town. Therefore there's no real need to call his bluff, especially if it puts a probably townie in danger (Fate). Amirite?

And I apologise to Fate for resurrecting the issue, won't do it again.

If you DID listen to me when I told you what to talk about you wouldn't have this damn wagon on you in THE FIRST PLACE.

GAWD.

Re: Seacore saying that he is looking for potential murderers+Cult

^^This is not a plan Cult would outright admit to. Its too bold and unpopular, "yeah I'm looking for scummy players, whether that means Cult or potential murderer I don't care." ITS NOT A SCUM MOVE.

SEE THE MESS YOU MAKE THAT I HAVE TO CLEAN UP AFTER SEACORE? NOW PLAY BALL AND START CULTHUNTIN BEFORE RC DIVES OUT OF HIS LYNCH WITH ""wooohaaa so thats how the cult's kill works?" AND "i'm lazy RC, super lazy indeed dum dum dued dume dum dum"
PE: APOLOGY ACCEPTED FURPTOWN.

With the cult having daytalk at their disposal, I'm doubting that a cult member would bother openly questioning how their kill mechanics work when they can easily get that cleared up in their QT.

Trilobite wrote:With the cult having daytalk at their disposal, I'm doubting that a cult member would bother openly questioning how their kill mechanics work when they can easily get that cleared up in their QT.

With the OP there I doubt anybody would need to ask such an easily answerable question, particularly one that would explain why there were no kills during Night 0.

However, you're missing the point.
None of us are saying that RC asked the question to genuinely find out the answer, we're saying he asked it to look like he didn't understand how the ritual worked, in an attempt to look as non-cult as possible.

It's particularly interesting that he has taken a comment of mine about how frustrating the Fate/Benmage thing was in early days and decided its a scum tell, as I'm pretending to be a concerned townie.
Yet we're not allowed to take this as a scum tell, because it's just a sign of his laziness.

I.e. He's allowed to be lazy, I'm not allowed to be frustrated.

I genuinely didn't know the answer.

I genuinely read through the whole rule set three times already, so...

I genuinely asked the question because I was too lazy to read it a fourth time.

(if you can call reading that gargantuan ruleset 3 times lazy).

Skimming through isos.
Andrius is town.
Auros I dunno.
Baby i dunno.
Benmage is town.
Bowser I dunno.
We're town.
Fate is town.
Feysal is town.
Furco is town.
Furpants is town
Hito is town.
Kunk dunno.
Butterfly is town.
Magna dunno
Manho dunno (Actually looking at wingless makes it town)
Nopoint dunno. (OH WAIT, ACCORDING TO HIS FIRST POST THERE WAS A FURCO WAGON?!? SOMEONE NEEDS TO SHOW ME THAT)
Plum town.
Reaper is town.
Rewq is town.
Seacore dunno.
Spy is town
Totallynot is Town.
Triglav is town
Tribo is town.
Vas is town
VP town
Wick dunno
Xvart dunno.

Putting that into a list...

TOWN
Andri
Ben
Goosuki
Fate
Feysal
Furco
Furpants
Hito
Butterfly
Manho
Plum
Reaper
Rewq
Spy
Totallynot
Triglav
Tribo
Vas
VP

PEOPLE LEFT
Auro
Baby
Bower
Kunk
Magna
Nopoint
Seacore
Wick
Xvart

Seacore wrote:

Trilobite wrote:With the cult having daytalk at their disposal, I'm doubting that a cult member would bother openly questioning how their kill mechanics work when they can easily get that cleared up in their QT.

With the OP there I doubt anybody would need to ask such an easily answerable question, particularly one that would explain why there were no kills during Night 0.

However, you're missing the point.
None of us are saying that RC asked the question to genuinely find out the answer, we're saying he asked it to look like he didn't understand how the ritual worked, in an attempt to look as non-cult as possible.

Valid point, but weak IMO.

I'll stop posting for a while after this, I promise; but here's a quick stocktake of questions I've asked of specific players that have not been answered yet (though the last two are very recent):

: #727 Do you think it'd be more beneficial to have a confirmed townie; or one less scum skill in the game?

#882 What's your opinion of rewq?

: #1106 What do you think of Plum?

: #1112 What do you think of ReaperCharlie and his wagon?

Looking at those huge ElGoosuki lists makes me feel much less appreciative of having DGB call me 100% town.

/wrists

I'm not DGB so that's ok.

Trilobite wrote:

Seacore wrote:

Trilobite wrote:With the cult having daytalk at their disposal, I'm doubting that a cult member would bother openly questioning how their kill mechanics work when they can easily get that cleared up in their QT.

With the OP there I doubt anybody would need to ask such an easily answerable question, particularly one that would explain why there were no kills during Night 0.

However, you're missing the point.
None of us are saying that RC asked the question to genuinely find out the answer, we're saying he asked it to look like he didn't understand how the ritual worked, in an attempt to look as non-cult as possible.

Valid point, but weak IMO.

It's no the main reason I'm voting for him. His avoidance of questions is primary. He expresses two contradictory views about how hydras should be viewed in regards to scumtells. He ignores the question time and time again and finally his response is "I don't think it's contradictory".
a) Yes, it is contradictory
b) Why did he avoid the question for so long, one of the times it was asked was in a post directly before one of his posts. So either it was the last thing he read before he posted, or it would have popped up int he preview.

Does Percy's VC's cover the wagons in this game or were there a few in between the,
(Bowser -> Furco -> Seacore)

Hey Ellie, Reaper is perfectly able to fake his town meta.

Please vote Kthx

~Fate

El Goosuki wrote:Putting that into a list...

TOWN
...
...


PEOPLE LEFT
...
...

What I personally enjoy about these lists is the strength of the arguments. It really assists me in evaluating El Gooski's motivations.

Fate wrote:Hey Ellie, Reaper is perfectly able to fake his town meta.

Please vote Kthx

~Fate

I never played with him before...
And comments like that wristing thing just now look so town >.>

Auro
Baby
Bower
Kunk
Magna
Nopoint
Seacore
Wick
Xvart

^^^ Are any of these guys scum?

El Goosuki wrote:Does Percy's VC's cover the wagons in this game or were there a few in between the,
(Bowser -> Furco -> Seacore)

I think there may have been a time when Lost Butterfly was up there, but thats a maybe without looking into it. But most people on the LB attack were also on the Seacore attack.

Seacore wrote:What I personally enjoy about these lists is the strength of the arguments. It really assists me in evaluating El Gooski's motivations.

This hydra's logic is IMPLACABLE. Reads above are Elli's. They are gold.

-DGB

Seacore wrote:I think there may have been a time when Lost Butterfly was up there, but thats a maybe without looking into it. But most people on the LB attack were also on the Seacore attack.

Oh, yeah?

Those players are the cult members. We must kill them all.

List?

El Goosuki wrote: Auro
Baby
Bower
Kunk
Magna
Nopoint
Seacore
Wick
Xvart

^^^ Are any of these guys scum?

Auro and Bowser by my reads. Auro stretches and dilberately misunderstands and Bowser is an active lurker who has posted in other games, (bowser is basically CSL from what I can see).

El Goosuki wrote:

Seacore wrote:I think there may have been a time when Lost Butterfly was up there, but thats a maybe without looking into it. But most people on the LB attack were also on the Seacore attack.

Oh, yeah?

Those players are the cult members. We must kill them all.

List?

I totally mean the above, BTW.

-DGB

How many times has Reaper said "I LOVE THIS POST" to people? I bet every single one (sans one or two, NOPOINT'S in particular felt forced as NOPOINT didn't really make ag reat first impression) of his early ones are CONFTOWN on a ReaperScumFlip.

"BOKU WO MITE BOKU WO MITE. IM BUDDYING UP TO EVERYONE WITH <3 HOW COULD I POSSIBLY BE SCUM?"-Reaper.

Its lynchin time. Before we hit 50 pages. Make sure to get your "Ben/Fate" reads in so that I can mock him with impunity tomorrow.

El Goosuki wrote:

Seacore wrote:I think there may have been a time when Lost Butterfly was up there, but thats a maybe without looking into it. But most people on the LB attack were also on the Seacore attack.

Oh, yeah?

Those players are the cult members. We must kill them all.

List?

Well I don't think they're all scum, but here's a snap shot.

Plum, ReaperCharlie, AurorusVox, totallynotmafia, Trilobite, VP Baltar, xvart, Furcolow, Fate

Of those, I have a town read on Fate, and an null read on VP and xvart. I have no read (different to a null read) on totallynotmafia.
The rest are bad.
So

Plum, ReaperCharlie, AurorusVox, Trilobite, Furcolow

Hmm, change totallynotmafia to null, I just did a super quick iso. It's odd how he was completely off my radar, but I think all the players who's names are phrases are melting in my head.

In this list, there are FOUR cultists.

Plum isn't one of them, she's a shy voter when scum.

So it's between:
ReaperCharlie, AurorusVox, totallynotmafia, Trilobite, VP Baltar, xvart, , Fate

-DGB