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[Yates]

@Yates - Hez read. Go.

Conflicted. I didn't like him at first. Then I liked him. Then I didn't. Then I did. Then he was off my radar. He's not my priority lynch for today. TBH, I'm kind of expecting something from his slot.

Anyway, I'm not buying on the scum team partner guesses as good scum hunting. I don't find scum that way, so I guess I don't see how others do. Can you explain these possible scum partner reads? Also, do you see pizza/split/inte as possible partners with anyone?

[Yates]

@Yates - Hez read. Go.

I would I guess possibly end up on inte simply because im not touching a wagon backed by Hez and SB at this point, but think lynching Hez is a far better way to go about things at this point since inte I have a hard time coming up with too many really good partners for unlike Hez and SB.

@Tammy - what made TML suspicious to you?

[Rainbowdash]

Claims it is suspicious that I am asking for people's opinions between PV and inte despite PV/SB being my top two.

Yet PV/inte are the two that have by far the most support today.

Since when does somepony like you base votes off who they think can be lynched instead of wants to be lynched?

You could probably get two, argueably three votes for SB so it seems odd that you push for the more lurker-scum lynch with inte instead of going for what is tied for your top scum read as per your last ordered list.

Anyway, I'm not buying on the scum team partner guesses as good scum hunting. I don't find scum that way, so I guess I don't see how others do. Can you explain these possible scum partner reads? Also, do you see pizza/split/inte as possible partners with anyone?

Sometimes feasability of partners or not partners should cause you to rethink what you are trying to do. The strength that everypony seems to think SB is scum coupled with the fact that he works well with some of my suspects is enough to make me look at him a second time if one of you takes the time to actually break the case down for me. I will look at pizza again, but not a whole lot make tons of sense with hm from what I remember (like not Hez).

[HezLucky]

Claims it is suspicious that I am asking for people's opinions between PV and inte despite PV/SB being my top two.

Yet PV/inte are the two that have by far the most support today.

Since when does somepony like you base votes off who they think can be lynched instead of wants to be lynched?

You could probably get two, argueably three votes for SB so it seems odd that you push for the more lurker-scum lynch with inte instead of going for what is tied for your top scum read as per your last ordered list.

You've completely misinterpreted me. Confirmation bias, much? Head out of ass please. TY.

The discussion at that point in the game had stalled and asking about the two most likely lynches not only amended that and gave both myself and the rest of the town an idea of where the day was headed [as opposed to a deadline lynch] but also forced any fencesitters to take a position.

Less being stupid, more voting PereV with me.

[HezLucky]

You could probably get two, argueably three votes for SB so it seems odd that you push for the more lurker-scum lynch with inte instead of going for what is tied for your top scum read as per your last ordered list.

No. Everyone and their mother was calling for split/inte's head.

Stop skimming and read the fucking game.

[HezLucky]

You could probably get two, argueably three votes for SB so it seems odd that you push for the more lurker-scum lynch with inte instead of going for what is tied for your top scum read as per your last ordered list.

No. Everyone and their mother was calling for split/inte's head.

Stop skimming and read the fucking game.

Just saw the irony in this post. LOL

[Rainbowdash]

You want a beautiful catchup post that im happy with? Give me a week or so to be able to wade through multiple text walls, otherwise you get the quick and dirty so I actually can make an informed enough decision tonight instead of basing things on what votecounts look like.

You want me to vote PV? Summarize a case for me

[HezLucky]

Reading these two posts in full should do it. Don't complain about it being a wall, because I am giving you tons of information with which you can use to evaluate me as well.

First post was basically PereV skimmed my catchup post and attacked me for it, which proves he hadn't read it and was just looking to smear.

But the stuff in the second post is why he must die.

I will summarize your post too.
Fake summary that's not relevant to current discussion of "Is Korlash scum? How real was V2V vig claim?"

You slipped. To be expected for a scum.

I haven't read past where I mentioned, and this is the first I'm hearing of any sort of vig claim.

You were just looking for an excuse to attack me. You die next.

I have reviewed all of my previous notes and started from Page 17, with flips in mind.

Korlash flipping town is oh god fail. It is time to figure out who actually believed their attacks on him.

How about this post, guys? Fate #258:

Fate #258 says the scum is in [Knox, Pere, Vijay, Istark]

I still believe this. Partially because all four slots are alive.

Well, not Istark/TML - that slot is obvtown.

Starting from #401 -

Supporting Pere's Pizza theory is that Fate calls out Pizzadude scum in #402.

Don't like PV though in general. Asks too many questions with too little follow-up.

#418 - TML if you're scum I am going to hate you. This is either town being pissed off about bad town, or scum white knighting. Given
my previous townread on the slot, BotD.

#420 - MattP slot. I LIKE THIS FIRST POST. HAHAHAHA. He's basically like "FEAR ME STUPID MAF". This is amazing.
...and Fate agrees (#421)

#454 - Vijay is just tunneling on Yates this whole time. Getting kinda annoying.

Dats some nice Knox/zeek/Scott Brosius lurking we've got in this game. STILL haven't heard anything from him since the 200's.

Fate #507

Why the hell is there a wall of verification for why you were lurkign Yates? So scared

That list does look really fucking out of place.

MattP #526 - is he really bad town or overreacting scum? o_O :shrug:

Day 1 Vote Count 6
Rat 4 - MOI,Korlash,Mini-Librarian, Pizza,
MOI 4 - Benmage, Yates,pappums rat,MattP,
Pizza 2 - Shotgun, Fate,
Mini-Librarian 1 - Zeek
Yates 1 - vijay2vansandani,
MattP 1 - PereV

This vote count is telling me something. Rat and MOI both flipped town. That means this is a town counterwagon on a town wagon. I think that
the mafia are nearly all in different places. Benmage flipped as mafia, and pappums has flipped, which means the MOI wagon would be filled
entirely with scum if Yates and MattP (Tammy) were the last two mafia, so they are out as partners.

Zeek (the Scott Brosius slot) also has an extremely questionable vote on TML. Ew. Among {Zeek, Vijay, PereV} we very likely have a mafia -
based on this votecount, I am certain the mafia were all doing close to different things [MOI and Korlash have flipped, strong townread on
TML so if you want to add Pizza you can - but Pizza might be the other maf :S]

ACK. Reading on.

Pizza #570 is shit-flinging. He calls out MoI but at this stage he is VOTING FOR RAT. LOL.

OH GOD YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING RIGHT. Korlash #572 reads like paranoid-of-MoI town. However, I would have thrown this out as he would have
had ilke 5 scumpoints to his name by now.

Tammy #669 walks in here and immediately starts lecturing Vijay on the merits of not being anti-town. WHITE KNIGHT.
#670 is a lot of null and "I'm confused" and "I need to ISO" reads. Really?

...BUT SHE'S VOTING SCOTT BROSIUS.

Hell, they can both be scum.
{with #690 it follows that I do not like the Scott Brosius/Tammy interactions. It is definitely possible they are BOTH scum, but if one of
them winds up flipping town it will be a huge mindfuck for me}


Still think Vijay is town. #680 is genuine [though what the fuck Vijay?] and there are too many scummy suspects for him to be scum. I
don't blame him for not being as active I don't want to read most of these Korlash/MoI/now-Tammy walls either.

Let's see...

1. Potentially drawing out the REAL vig - who would be a major bane to scum? Check.
2. Draw a night protect from Doc thus allowing all scum kill actions to go through? Check.
3. Setting up your scum defense? Check.

Bonus - may not apply in this particular game but worth mentioning - Explaining why an investigator might find you with a weapon? Check.

This looks like a stretch. Yates gets a pass because I am convinced he is not scum but, rather, just BAD at this game. {oh god Yates is going to tunnel me now isn't he}

VI Shotgun agreeing with him follows easily.

The fuck? I actually like Scott Brosius #726 a little bit. Uh oh. He attacked Yates, but then went on him and tried his luck elsewhere. This just seems so town to do.

AND TAMMY LOOKS GOOD AGAIN ... OH FUCK IT I AM SUFFERING FROM HUGE BOUTS OF CONFIRMATION BIAS. FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.

Kill me. Please.

HOE LEE crap. You are SUCH a hippocrite. You are claiming to be "out of your element" because you couldn't follow the meta business [affc inexplicably being the acronym for "a feast of crows"] yet the main tenent of your beef with me is because *I* couldn't follow the meta business and thus came to the conclusion that MoI scum slipped?? THEN you put a pin in that point and used that as your justification for how I FABRICATED the scum slip theory?!

Yeah. You can die in a fire.

This is ... a good post.

Hmm...not a fan of Split's "contribution." That's the only thing there is to comment on the game? A contradiction? No thoughts on anything else?

Is the whole reason you're voting Korlash is because of the contradiction?

I'd like to know how Korlash flipping scum would clear PapRat, Yates or me. Do we look good independently or is this just a future thing in case we're voting for scum? You don't think it's at least a little bit suspicious that I voted for Korlash and then got into a lengthy discussion in which I said that I wasn't even sure if I wanted to lynch him?

YOU ARE SUCH A WHITE KNIGHT. DEAR GOD. This whole post is just "autopilot scum mode". Link me to a few town games Tammy I am going to quick-ISO your town play.

Hezlucky - Read Scott Brosius' "contribution" since he replaced in and tell me what you think.[/quote[

I can finally respond to this. It fucking sucks. No, not his contribution - the fact that he is not making himself obvscum. I thought I had something. I am pretty sure I still do, just because he replaced someone who is so damn incriminating, but I am not liking this one bit.

Vijay is town. HE IS SO GIDDY AND EXCITED ABOUT GETTING THIS GAME MOVING. If he was careful-playing-scum-planning-out-a-vig-fakeclaim-for-towncred I don't think his posts would show this level of emotion. VIJAY CLEARLY WANTS A FLIP. HAMMER HAMMER HAMMER.

I can finally give PeregrineV his well-earned scumpoints for planning an attack on me, which I had proven earlier by showing how he had clearly not read my post and was just looking for tihngs to pick out. Bad scum.

My bad. You are on page 10, and based on those 10 pages on not the remaining 23, you voted Korlash.

So, yes, drmyshotgun was scummy for his posts, but you have taken up the mantle and are scummy all on your own.

And, of course, this is just an attempt to discredit my strong scumread. Yates did it too - but Yates is not good.

AND SCOTT UNVOTES ME. DEAR GOD. HE SHOULD BE PUSHING ON ME FOR NOT HAVING READ THE GAME. OH FUCK FUCK FUCK.

VIJAY #836 - WHYYYYYYYYY???? VIJAY YOU ARE TOWN PLEASE DON'T FUCK THIS UP. OUR BEST TOWN PLAYER FATE IS ALREADY GONE.

but THIS:

Split is the only player to both Vote like scum AND have Ben Links. (He is the person Ben attacked the most, yet like V2V Ben only 'kept him around' and never 'pushed a real attack on him') His flip could be as important as V2V's since he had an early wagon as well, and like Hez, he is pushing my lynch with pretty much shit reasons. (Split at least took the time to respond to me, so at the very least he doesn't appear to be stalling like Hez does.)

SPLIT COULD BE SCUM. PV'S ATTACK ON HIM MIGHT BE LEGIT. GOD. OR IT COULD BE A BUS.

Yates hasn't bothered to do any sort of scumhunting in something like 10 pages. My ass you are fucking distracted.

Scott Brosius has gone back to lurking. Points against.

Vijay is town for the vote on Tammy that I ALSO SAW. THE JUSTIFICATION. AND THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH VIJAY'S PLAY. YAY VIJAY IS OFFICIALLY _OBVTOWN_

WHAT IS WITH THIS QUICK WAGON ON SCOTT BROSIUS? SPLITFARVLE BASICALLY JUST QUICKVOTED ONTO IT.

Tunnel-mode activated. Read on from here

Look at PV's playstyle in this game. Are you, the reader, town? Don't you feel fucking confused? I know I am. I know some others have stated they are. PV seems like, despite the fact that WE HAVE NOT HAD A CORRECT LYNCH YET, the only person here who is not confused.

Town get confused. They don't have to be, but in this situation, I think it's par. After having read the whole game, I am freaking lost. PV just basically came out immediately and was like "okay I'm going to try this split wagon now". SPLIT IS NOT A HARD TARGET. It's not like he's obvtown or has been posting much. And heck, PV might even be right - if he's town. I don't see the confusion in PV's tone that I see in nearly everyone else's and, at this point, he is the only person in this game thus far who is not given off a town-tell.



SCUM -
[consider a questino mark to be, like, half a non-question mark]

1) PeregrineV scumscum [2.0]
2) knox/zeek/Scott Brosius scumscumscumtown?townscum? [2.0]
3) Pizzadudes7/spitfarvle scum?town?scumscum? [1.5]
4) Yates townscum?scum [not mafia with Tammy] [0.5]
5) Jester/MattP/Tammy town?scum? [not mafia with Yates] [0]
6) iStark/TML towntown [-2]
7) Vijay towntowntown [-3]


I read the rest of the game and am more lost than when I started.

I bet nearly everyone else feels this way.

I'm going to go with someone who doesn't appear to be lost at all.

Vote: PeregrineV

[Tammy]

I did get annoyed at the expectation of me dying as that is one sure way to annoy me. Also post 1110 was so full of suck and weirdness, like the wallposting as scum or town. WTF was that about? I didn't say anything about that.

Yeah, you wallpost as either alignment so there is zero way, especially when entering a game right before deadline, that I am going to have any time to look up your "I am not that good as scum" meta (which from my chronic upkeep of looking at other games probably isnt that true to start) arguement.

Okay so here's part of my problem. You say things as if you know. So you say I wallpost as either alignment. I didn't have scum meta on this site until ~3 hours before you made the statement about me wallposting as scum. You say things as if you know me and know how I behave as either alignment, but then say you don't know how I behave as scum. You cannot have it both ways. You are talking out both sides of your mouth with this and it is very suspicious behavior.

[Tammy]

Dear Tammy,

What happened to this "read?"

I legitimately read that slot as scum. Split came in and did absolutely nothing with it. Now I have very little experience with Split, and I do try to stay away from meta as much as possible, but my experience with Split, when he was innocent, was more active than what he gave us while he was here. So, I happen to believe that Split is a competent player, and as such am not worrying about a more competent player coming in and upsetting the balance. I thought Split was scummy. I read Pizza as scummy. I read the interactions between Ben and Pizza as scummy.

Now that Inte is here, does this mean that Pizza wasn't scummy? Does his entry mean Pizza and MoI's interactions weren't scummy? Does his entry mean that Split's scum tells no longer matter? THIS is the point I was trying to make earlier. The person currently in the slot should not make previous scum tells/reads no longer valid.

Follow up question: you had Pizza/Split as a 3, SB as a 2, and Pere as a 1.5. What is your new rating and what caused the move?

Nope! I still think that Pizza and Ben's interactions were horrible. I still think that Split was totally scummy. I don't know what to make of inte actually. He hasn't given enough for me to determine. I'm not saying the slot is suddenly town; I just can't make a determination. I don't like that he did all the vote count stuff without providing any anaylsis though.

I'll give my new rating probs tonight or tomorrow. I've got a lot of work to do right now and three games with a deadline coming up, but inte really needs to provide more content and answer questions (I think I asked a question anyway) for me to evaluate him.

[Tammy]

my Yates read is because of a game we played together where pizzadudes played the EXACT same way and it looks to me like hes completely disregarding his experience with pizza to back up a "scum read" on him

Do you have suspicions about Yates that isn't based on his suspicion of Pizza?

I *think* I'm still waiting for an answer to this question. (If you answered it, I didn't see it.)

[Tammy]

[quote="In post 1123,

RainbowdashAnyway, I'm not buying on the scum team partner guesses as good scum hunting.

I don't find scum that way, so I guess I don't see how others do. Can you explain these possible scum partner reads? Also, do you see pizza/split/inte as possible partners with anyone?

I agree! This is a ridiculous way to scum hunt, no offense, I know a lot of people hunt this way, but I've seen it lead them down a path of disaster FAR more often than it leads them down a correct path. And scum person that's even half way decent knows how to make fake connections with innocents and leave little tracks to their partner, so hunting for partnerships based on these is disastrous. You have to even be careful about relational analysis when you have a flip because of this.

So sorry for all the spam right now!!!

[Tammy]

@Yates - Hez read. Go.

I would I guess possibly end up on inte simply because im not touching a wagon backed by Hez and SB at this point, but think lynching Hez is a far better way to go about things at this point since inte I have a hard time coming up with too many really good partners for unlike Hez and SB.

@Tammy - what made TML suspicious to you?

The reaction to the night kill mostly:

Huh. I'm alive.

hmmmmmm.

That probably means my reads are off.

Let's see I remember calling Hez and Tammy town quite a bit yesterday. Was there anyone else? Someone I'm calling town is scum here.

Scum often make terrible reactions to night kills. And I've seen scum make this exact reaction lots of times.

Okay spamming mode off..

[Yates]

You have to even be careful about relational analysis when you have a flip because of this.

Yup. The first thing I did when I replaced into a scum slot [Metroid Mafia] was sort out with my scum partner how we could distance from each other and who to buddy with in case one of us got lynched [make that person guilty by association through relational tells]. Here's a link to our scum QT [starts with post 6]. In other words, good scum know there are a good chunk of people that determine scum through relational tells and try to use this to their advantage [as we did].

For example, if I were scum this game who would you think my partner is? It could be Tammy, who I've been calling Town this whole game. OR it could be VJ, and our tiff could be completely fabricated. OR it could be your slot [RBD], who I have been calling Town but largely not having a ton of interaction with until now.

So anyway, I pretty much hate using relational tells as a basis for voting someone. It was way too easily manipulated and way too easy for scum to use as a crutch to explain away just about ANY vote.

[PeregrineV]

Actually, Pere, same question to you. You had Hez as a 3

and SB, TML, Pizza/Split, and VJ all as 2's [following same logic and flow chart]. Any movers or shakers?

I guess this is based on the Hez arguement of lynching who he wants?

Hez can stay at 3, SB is 2 trending upwards, Rainbow trending down with good Hez vote, Pizza/split/inte staying steady as the expected input is not comming in from him. VJ on the rise for ignoring 1067

Can you give a sentence or two reasoning for each? Thanks. I don't necessarily disagree by the way.

P.edit: where Amished tell?

yes, you don't disagree, do you?

Reads for each player and why, please.

Tammy-Yates still around 1 (least want to lynch them today)

[Tammy]

my Yates read is because of a game we played together where pizzadudes played the EXACT same way and it looks to me like hes completely disregarding his experience with pizza to back up a "scum read" on him

Do you have suspicions about Yates that isn't based on his suspicion of Pizza?

I *think* I'm still waiting for an answer to this question. (If you answered it, I didn't see it.)

Maybe if I bold

inte

. Can you answer this please?

[Rainbowdash]

Okay so here's part of my problem. You say things as if you know. So you say I wallpost as either alignment. I didn't have scum meta on this site until ~3 hours before you made the statement about me wallposting as scum. You say things as if you know me and know how I behave as either alignment, but then say you don't know how I behave as scum. You cannot have it both ways. You are talking out both sides of your mouth with this and it is very suspicious behavior.

There are very very few players on this site who actually have a meta that I would say falls into "good town, bad scum" which is sorta what you seem to think you fall into. There is a game with you scum where you still wall post, so im not going to go picking through a second wall filled game to try and validate your meta or not and then try and compare it to this game since I dont tend to like OOC meta that much to start. What I am saying is you are fully capable of wall posting either way, but I know nothing beyond that fact about how you play much as town or scum apart from that you gained a reputation quickly.

And now I want a dead Yates.... stupid game. I mean... I guess I could go for inte just because it would be a nice flip to have but this voice telling me that they are town has started creeping into my head.

[PeregrineV]

Can everypony just give me a bullet point (seriously, just short or im probably going to get upset and ignore you) case on why who they are voting is scum to help with catching up and getting better situated here?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4082983

[jasonT1981]

Vote Count 1 Day 6

HezLucky 2 - PereV,Rainbow
Inte 2 - vijay2vansandani, Yates,
PereV 2 - HezLucky ,Scott Brosius,
Yates 1 - Inte
ScottB 1 - Tammy

Not voting

Day 3 begins with 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

(expired on 2012-06-29 08:43:15)

till Day 3 Deadline

[PeregrineV]

About a day and a half left.

[Tammy]

Okay so here's part of my problem. You say things as if you know. So you say I wallpost as either alignment. I didn't have scum meta on this site until ~3 hours before you made the statement about me wallposting as scum. You say things as if you know me and know how I behave as either alignment, but then say you don't know how I behave as scum. You cannot have it both ways. You are talking out both sides of your mouth with this and it is very suspicious behavior.

There are very very few players on this site who actually have a meta that I would say falls into "good town, bad scum" which is sorta what you seem to think you fall into. There is a game with you scum where you still wall post, so im not going to go picking through a second wall filled game to try and validate your meta or not and then try and compare it to this game since I dont tend to like OOC meta that much to start. What I am saying is you are fully capable of wall posting either way, but I know nothing beyond that fact about how you play much as town or scum apart from that you gained a reputation quickly.

Okay this makes sense. I don't think my scum game is horrible...it's not great, but I've been told it's pretty bad so meh. I thought when you said that you knew I'd walled either way that you were saying you knew my meta, but didn't really. I didn't realize you meant that you weren't about to read another wall. Gained a reputation quickly though? Is there like a wall poster alert forum or something

[Rainbowdash]

When you have been around as long as I have you learn a lot about a lot of stuff and who everypony is. Its pretty rare that I actually run into a game where there is a player older than a month that I know nothing about.

Anyway, can I get a quick and dirty case on SB?

[HezLucky]

Inte please get on PereV your vote on Yates does nothing.

[HezLucky]

10] Each day will have a deadline of three weeks. If a majority hasn't been reached by then there shall be no lynch

[Tammy]

When you have been around as long as I have you learn a lot about a lot of stuff and who everypony is. Its pretty rare that I actually run into a game where there is a player older than a month that I know nothing about.

Anyway, can I get a quick and dirty case on SB?

Silly pony...everypony knows that cases are scummy