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Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:01 am
by Majiffy
It was a joke...

DCLXVI [3/5] - Human Destroyer, Majiffy, buldermar
Mac [2/5] - Minimal, orcinus_theoriginal
buldermar [1/5] - DCLXVI

Abstained (Not Voting): pirate mollie, Mac, fferyllt

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:02 am
by buldermar
In post 1097, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1086, buldermar wrote:
In post 1078, fferyllt wrote:Jesus.

I want to figure out who to lynch. And I wish orcinus and buldermar were on the same page about this.
If I'm not mistaking, we both think that DCL and Majiffy are good lynches. We disagree on whether I'm a good lynch as well, though.
His vote is on Mac. And he thinks DCL's fit-pitching over the thread size could be coming from a town PoV.

I am leaning DCL, but majiffy worries me.
Well... I'm not as certain as I was in that game on TR where I got him lynched on day 1, but I'm still quite certain that he's scum this game, and I've played a decent amount of games with him and generally feel like I'm reading him well. Not sure if it matters to you, just throwing it out there.

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:04 am
by buldermar
In post 1106, DCLXVI wrote:
In post 1100, pirate mollie wrote:why is it bothering you

I don't like how fery is going about attacking my indie cred. and threatening to hang it over my head.
@mod I'd like to replace out of this spamfest.

@buld 300+ posts in 7 days is spam .you look stupid trying to deny that

@everyone i joined a micro not a large normal game I don't have the time or motivation to read 10 or more pages each damn day. There are A few players in this game I have no intention of playing with again if I can help it...
Thank you. I'm sorry that I enjoy staying active and that my post frequency does not suit your expectation, but you should have checked the player list before signing up if it's such a big deal to you.

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:10 am
by buldermar
In post 1117, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1116, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1113, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1112, Majiffy wrote:1) Yes, but I don't see how that's "easy to predict" for scum. And even if it is; you're either going to clear a townie or catch scum anyway. So... what's the problem here?
then you haven't been reading my posts.

because she still has to survive long enough to kill me, and leaning hard on scum today does not improve her chances.
1) Not the recent ones, no. What is this supposed to refute? That it would be easy for scum to predict?

Let's break this down; you can simultaneously track and watch one player. If your strongest town read is town, then either you will track them not going anywhere, or they will be killed by scum and you'll catch scum. The only way tracking/watching your strongest town read could fail is if said town read is scum, and they don't perform a night kill.

In which case... great town read you got there.

2) How does leaning hard on scum worsen her chances?
I don't think it's protown to spell some of this out right now.

I'm afk shortly (too late for DCL, I guess).
Scum can just kill her non-strongest town-read if they know that she's tracking and watching her strongest town-read.

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:12 am
by buldermar
In post 1125, Majiffy wrote:It was a joke...
I don't get it. Maybe language or culture barrier.

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:17 am
by pirate mollie
In post 1122, fferyllt wrote:she thought I was scum, tried to wave at me, and put me down with a weak town read in her lists, because she didn't want the scum team to target her on night 1. Given that, do you think she would have gone after a player she thought was my scum buddy?

I dunno. There is something in her reads that doesn't add up for me. Maybe it's just more familiarity with some of the players. But I'm really not seeing how she went from town null/scum or w/e on buldermar. And I still don't know how she reads yoy. at this point she could post her read on you in bold red text and I would still wonder if it was genuine or wincon-driven.
you are being so fucking disingenuous with this post it is not funny. you are trying to discredit my reads in order to throw mud at me while trying to stay under the radar of scum. anybody who does not see this is stupid. majiffy called for your night protection so your whole "majiffy is scum cos mollie isn't saying he is!" case doesn't work does it.

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:18 am
by pirate mollie
eta: oh but wait! you are ignoring me cos I called you a liar! carry on

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:07 am
by Majiffy
In post 1128, buldermar wrote: Scum can just kill her non-strongest town-read if they know that she's tracking and watching her strongest town-read.
... Which would clear her strongest town-read... :facepalm:

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:50 am
by fferyllt
In post 1128, buldermar wrote:
In post 1117, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1116, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1113, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1112, Majiffy wrote:1) Yes, but I don't see how that's "easy to predict" for scum. And even if it is; you're either going to clear a townie or catch scum anyway. So... what's the problem here?
then you haven't been reading my posts.

because she still has to survive long enough to kill me, and leaning hard on scum today does not improve her chances.
1) Not the recent ones, no. What is this supposed to refute? That it would be easy for scum to predict?

Let's break this down; you can simultaneously track and watch one player. If your strongest town read is town, then either you will track them not going anywhere, or they will be killed by scum and you'll catch scum. The only way tracking/watching your strongest town read could fail is if said town read is scum, and they don't perform a night kill.

In which case... great town read you got there.

2) How does leaning hard on scum worsen her chances?
I don't think it's protown to spell some of this out right now.

I'm afk shortly (too late for DCL, I guess).
Scum can just kill her non-strongest town-read if they know that she's tracking and watching her strongest town-read.
I think I've made it clear that I'm considering other choices/methodologies.

After getting away for a while, I'm a little less freaked by majiffy's target suggestion.

Would like thoughts about my efforts to derive a model from Mollie's reads before and after I outed. I can just exclude them from the mix, but I think there may be something Hegelian in the progression.

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:50 am
by Minimal
Ugh...

V/LA until tuesday

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:47 pm
by buldermar
In post 1132, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1128, buldermar wrote: Scum can just kill her non-strongest town-read if they know that she's tracking and watching her strongest town-read.
... Which would clear her strongest town-read... :facepalm:
How would it clear her strongest town-read if the kill is performed by a different scum?

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:47 pm
by fferyllt
In post 1135, buldermar wrote:
In post 1132, Majiffy wrote:
In post 1128, buldermar wrote: Scum can just kill her non-strongest town-read if they know that she's tracking and watching her strongest town-read.
... Which would clear her strongest town-read... :facepalm:
How would it clear her strongest town-read if the kill is performed by a different scum?
I love implicit assumptions.

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:52 pm
by pirate mollie
I love how messiah is still posting on other parts of the site.

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:30 pm
by Minimal
Yeah, I'm PMing him. Should have done this days ago

I just assumed that he died or something

I really like your reason for Jiffyscum buldey :|

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:32 pm
by Minimal
meaning, I didn't go to that page

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:03 pm
by AngryPidgeon
Vote counts are at the top of every page as of this post. I sincerely apologize for my inactivity, I'm _still_ working through some RL issues.

I will work on that DCLXVI replacement tomorrow morning.

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:41 pm
by orcinus_theoriginal
For what it's worth, I'm about 80% sure DCL's slot is town by that replace.

I have never seen scum replace out due to activity restraints.

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:54 pm
by orcinus_theoriginal
In post 1078, fferyllt wrote:Jesus.

I want to figure out who to lynch. And I wish orcinus and buldermar were on the same page about this.
I also feel like you probably used this line before.

Okay, so let me do a quick recap. I have a head-splitting ache from god knows where, but hopefully this is coherent...

Third party(?):
pirate mollie
fferyllt
If these two are both alive at lylo, we are lynching one of them. Thankfully, they probably won't be.

Town reads:
orcinus_theoriginal
DCLXVI
Minimal (I just realized that I never actually saw Marangal's town game, so my meta isn't as solid as some of you might think. I still reckon I'd be able to see her scum game though)
Human Destroyer (Too little pressure has been put on him for me to get a good read)

Leaving:
Mac
buldermar
Majiffy

Fery has a town read on Majiffy I guess, and though I still want to keep him in mind and keep him around for a while, y'know, whatever. I don't like his interaction with DCL, who I feel is probably town at this stage. ISOing him reveals a metric shitton of spam and I don't think that town Majiffy would be be this flippant in a game of this calibre.

I think Buldermar is a giant piece of scum and I hate his reaction to basically everything. He refuses to refute my points concerning him and is somehow fucking townread for that? No sense at all.

Mac is basically a process of POE.

I want one of these three to go today and I am very close to not caring who at this point.

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:06 am
by Human Destroyer
In post 1141, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:For what it's worth, I'm about 80% sure DCL's slot is town by that replace.

I have never seen scum replace out due to activity restraints.
I have.
This is an invalid and bad argument for DCL-town.

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:10 am
by Mac
The thing I don't get about assassin's is just the way it turns out if one is killed the other wins... does that not mean we are stuck with them until end game? meaning we pretty much cannot win?

that might not make sense.

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:28 am
by orcinus_theoriginal
In post 1143, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 1141, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:For what it's worth, I'm about 80% sure DCL's slot is town by that replace.

I have never seen scum replace out due to activity restraints.
I have.
This is an invalid and bad argument for DCL-town.
Show me.

And it's okay, that's just your opinion. You've had bad arguments for DCL scum all day.

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:35 am
by fferyllt
I do not have a town read on majiffy. He's null. I thought about voting him yesterday but talked myself out of it.

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:50 am
by orcinus_theoriginal
In post 1146, fferyllt wrote:I do not have a town read on majiffy. He's null. I thought about voting him yesterday but talked myself out of it.
Actually that's okay. I reread majiffy an compared it to a town game I sortofplayed with him. He can be town for now.

Alright fery, Mac or Buldermar?

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:52 am
by fferyllt
Not buldermar.

Trying to understand why you've taken DCL out of the frame. Based strictly on my own reads I'd be looking at DCL, Mac and Minimal.

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:54 am
by orcinus_theoriginal
Replacements in borkgame, sotty7