Calvin and Hobbes Mafia(GAME OVER! Grownups Mafia Wins!)

[Varsoon]

But you're the only person who can confirm that fact, so it's moot.

[Desperado]

Never had someone meta me before. Which scum games did you look at?

Don't you think it's just as likely that TIP is just a newb who doesn't fully understand how to use his PR effectively? Tiphaine has already confirmed that Monkey's definition of a multi-visiting role is unusual...my read of this situation is that Monkey counter-intuitively interprets my role as only visiting the first player I target, and that for a role to visit twice they have to perform two distinct actions--like a scum roleblocker also performing a kill.

There really is no way for TIP to know that I visited him unless he's telling the truth, which limits this to two scenarios...he's either a town tracker or a mafia tracker. I'm inclined to say it's the former.

Unvote

[TheIrishPope]

But I'm a confirmed Town Tracker

Playing the newbie card? Really? Fuck no

[Desperado]

But I'm a confirmed Town Tracker

Playing the newbie card? Really? Fuck no

You aren't confirmed.

And your behavior in this game is extremely newbish. Sorry if that offends you.

[TheIrishPope]

No, I'm not pissed at that, I'm pissed that scum would seriously say "oh he's probably a newb herp" in an attempt to not get lynched

[Varsoon]

@Desperado: I just went to your previous games played and clicked through them a bit to see how you generally play. I can't talk about 'em since I think most are ongoing, but I don't like using meta as a defense anyway. What I want to reiterate is that in this particular game, you're playing really good town, and so if you're scum, which I doubt, then you're still playing very pro-town, which is spectacular.

@TIP: How are you confirmed tracker?

[Desperado]

If you're interested in complete scum games, you can check out Newbie 1338, Mini 1426, and Micro 168.

TIP, please self-evaluate your play. You think you're confirmed, you think your track by itself means something, and you're uninterested in even entertaining an alternative explanation for what's going on here.

How are you not playing like a newb right now?

[Skullduggery]

@Skull: Do you think everyone has been telling the truth about PRs? I try to largely ignore their existence, since it mostly amounts to Policy lynches and WIFOM nonsense since no one else can confirm 'em.

Except some PRs

can

be confirmed. Like yours. Should we ignore those too?

my read of this situation is that Monkey counter-intuitively interprets my role as only visiting the first player I target

I would imagine that a bus driver picks two targets and switches them simultaneously. Even if we assume that Monkey is the worst mod in the history of everything, I don't think he'd be

that

counter-intuitive about your role.

Desperado, do you think Rubicon is telling the truth about being a PGO?

I don't have any reason not to believe him at this point.

Then why haven't you been trying to redirect the night kills to him? He can shoot Scum that way.

"Because I didn't think to do that" is not an acceptable answer, by the way.

No, I'm not pissed at that, I'm pissed that scum would seriously say "oh he's probably a newb herp" in an attempt to not get lynched

How does you playing like a newbie affect the results of your night actions in any way? Your play does not change your role.

[Desperado]

Then why haven't you been trying to redirect the night kills to him? He can shoot Scum that way.

"Because I didn't think to do that" is not an acceptable answer, by the way.

How would I switch him without visiting him?

[EddieFenix]

But I'm a confirmed Town Tracker

Playing the newbie card? Really? Fuck no

Not exactly sure how you are confirmed. But, I'm torn between voting you or Desp.

[Skullduggery]

Then why haven't you been trying to redirect the night kills to him? He can shoot Scum that way.

"Because I didn't think to do that" is not an acceptable answer, by the way.

How would I switch him without visiting him?

Good answer. You pass the test.

I feel pretty good about you being Town now.

[MonkeyMan576]

Vote Count 3.1 - With 14 alive, it requires 8 to lynch - Day ends July 12th, 2013

Desperado(3) - TheIrishPope, TiphaineDeath, MetalSonic

(L-5)

TheIrishPope - Varsoon
Varsoon - TiphaineDeath
Nobody Special - Psyche

[Dante]

I'm not playing stupid with you, I'm trying to explain why what you did was stupid and needless...if you're still alive after I visited you, and a mafia roleblocker already flipped, and you already claimed your role (rendering a rolecop useless)...then I'm probably a town PR and you should keep your mouth shut or make something up.

Instead you just said "Where is Desperado...explain yourself!"

Which I will now, in full.

I'm

Calvin's Sled, the town bus driver

.

Last night I switched you with boxxy.

Night one I switched Skullduggery with Radioactive (whoops).

I kinda still want to lynch Varsoon for his atrocious claim, and if he can't confirm someone else as his neighbor I can't envision a scenario where he's town.

If this is true than scum targeted Skull?

[Dante]

Bus Driver can be scum as well
Actually, it is scum most of the time
So you can be scum Bus Driver
Or scum whatever planning to fakeclaim scum since D2

Wiki states it's mainly a town role.

[Dante]

Desperado

claim all of your actions the previous nights

and explain the rationale for them

Did he ever respond to this?

[Dante]

So the real reason you wanted to lynch Varsoon yesterday was because of the miller neighbor claim, not the tracking to the kill?

I think both reasons could support a Varsoon lynch.

[Dante]

VOTE: Desperado

I can confirm neither myself nor rubicon at this time

. I will say that I read rubicon as heavily town, and that I had a misunderstanding about my role, that is all.

Come again? I'm confused...

[Dante]

Never mind that
Everyone vote Desperado scum

Maybe it's time you explain why. Cause it sounds like you're saying: "Trust me"

[Dante]

If Desperado is Town I will See Skullduggery lynched or die myself.

That is all.

If Desperado is Town wouldn't prove that Skull is Town. If Desperado is the Bus Driver than scum tried to kill Skull but the kill went to Radio instead. No? Or am I missing something?

[EddieFenix]

Desperado

claim all of your actions the previous nights

and explain the rationale for them

Did he ever respond to this?

I'm not playing stupid with you, I'm trying to explain why what you did was stupid and needless...if you're still alive after I visited you, and a mafia roleblocker already flipped, and you already claimed your role (rendering a rolecop useless)...then I'm probably a town PR and you should keep your mouth shut or make something up.

Instead you just said "Where is Desperado...explain yourself!"

Which I will now, in full.

I'm

Calvin's Sled, the town bus driver

.

Last night I switched you with boxxy.

Night one I switched Skullduggery with Radioactive (whoops).

I kinda still want to lynch Varsoon for his atrocious claim, and if he can't confirm someone else as his neighbor I can't envision a scenario where he's town.

If this is true than scum targeted Skull?

[Dante]

UNVOTE:

Turbo-lynching Zoidberg worked out

so

well for us yesterday, didn't it? So well that we should do it again, right?

No. I want to hear from Rubicon first. Depending on what he answers, I have a few more questions for some other players. We've got plenty of time before the deadline. I want to try to figure a few things out first. I'm not asking too much, am I?

If Desperado is Town I will See Skullduggery lynched or die myself.

Why?

This.

Why are we in a hurry?

[Dante]

Because of the actions I received! I tracked Desperado and he only visited me, which means he is lying about his role to save his life

Now I see what your getting at.

[Dante]

If Desperado is Town I will See Skullduggery lynched or die myself.

That is all.

If Desperado is Town wouldn't prove that Skull is Town. If Desperado is the Bus Driver than scum tried to kill Skull but the kill went to Radio instead. No? Or am I missing something?

What I meant to say: If Desperado is town wouldn't that indicate the Skull is most likely town as scum took a shot at Skull and when the switched the kill took out Radio instead.

[Desperado]

I'm not playing stupid with you, I'm trying to explain why what you did was stupid and needless...if you're still alive after I visited you, and a mafia roleblocker already flipped, and you already claimed your role (rendering a rolecop useless)...then I'm probably a town PR and you should keep your mouth shut or make something up.

Instead you just said "Where is Desperado...explain yourself!"

Which I will now, in full.

I'm

Calvin's Sled, the town bus driver

.

Last night I switched you with boxxy.

Night one I switched Skullduggery with Radioactive (whoops).

I kinda still want to lynch Varsoon for his atrocious claim, and if he can't confirm someone else as his neighbor I can't envision a scenario where he's town.

If this is true than scum targeted Skull?

Desperado

claim all of your actions the previous nights

and explain the rationale for them

Did he ever respond to this?

If Desperado is Town I will See Skullduggery lynched or die myself.

That is all.

If Desperado is Town wouldn't prove that Skull is Town. If Desperado is the Bus Driver than scum tried to kill Skull but the kill went to Radio instead. No? Or am I missing something?

What I meant to say: If Desperado is town wouldn't that indicate the Skull is most likely town as scum took a shot at Skull and when the switched the kill took out Radio instead.

The answer to all of these questions/scenarios is yes.

[Varsoon]

Skull is the strong town voice as always and I find it hard to disagree with here points.
@Skullduggery: I'm not confirmed for anything until I die/get lynched and my role flips. Right now you only know that Psyche claims I neighbored him and that I claimed miller-two-shot-neighborizer. That's it. It does not confirm me as anything.
She raises a good question:
Why hasn't Desperado been bus-driving Rubicon if he thinks Rubicon is PGO?
Or would PGO also kill Desperado if he targeted it at night?
Sorry, haven't actually played a game with that role yet.
I like that Dante decided to be a bit more involved. I'm still wondering where a good half of our fourteen players are.
That said, Dante's probing feels kind of null. Also, dude, please get an avatar. It makes noticing your posts easier.
Other than all that, I still feel uneasy about TIP/Desperado.