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Post Post #1125 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 4:45 am

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Votecount 3.08:

Titus - Bulbazak
Imperium - Titus, RachMarie, minions, Toogeloo (L-2)
BBmolla - Desp

Not Voting - BBmolla, f-16, Toasty, keyblade, Imperium

With 11 alive it takes 6 to elect an HoH. Currently Imperium will be nominated as the next HoH, as they have the most votes.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-10-02 12:06:45) or by 11:05 AM on October 2nd, 2013.


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Post Post #1126 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:19 am

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Hey molla let me know when you're here so we can put Imperium up again
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Post Post #1127 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:31 am

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Don't vote just yet. I have been thinking about a bunch of things. I'll elaborate on all of them this weekend when I have time to get into it. We still have 6 days to deadline.
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Post Post #1128 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:39 am

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mmkay
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Post Post #1129 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:19 am

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I think it's important that Imperium come in and voice opinions on Minions, Nominations, Strategy, the number 42, Life, The Universe and Everything before we hammer them in again too.
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Post Post #1130 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:26 pm

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Well the number 42 is the answer to the meaning of life, the universe and everything. That one's easy.

I'm starting to reread the game tonight; hopefully I'll have it fully reread tonight, we'll see. But I should be able to get at least half of it done.

And then hopefully I'll talk to nacho here soon.
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Post Post #1131 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:13 pm

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Post Post #1132 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:29 pm

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In post 1115, Minions wrote:Ok, bored now of the shit being flung around.

Two shot cop. When the HoH chooses two nominees, we get to investigate one of them and the result is sent to the HoH via the mod.

Suck on it punks.

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Bullshit. There is no fucking way Voided would put a cop in a nightless. And why the fuck would you not out this sooner? And why the fuck have you not checked anyone?

Like, do you know how BROKEN having a confirmed innocent in a nightless is? Nonetheless two?

You're full of shit
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Post Post #1133 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:30 pm

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In post 1118, Minions wrote:Didn't we say we could prove it all along? I'm pretty sure in amongst the scum players of rachmarie, bbmolla and bulbazak role fishing and desperately trying to get us nominated we said we could prove our ability.

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Post Post #1134 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:31 pm

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We're waiting for Nacho. Feel free to put him at L-2 or L-1 or whatever, I'm not hammering till he sees this claim.
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Post Post #1135 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:32 pm

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In post 198, Gnomeo wrote:1. Imperium (Nacho/Tammy hydra): Town. I very much liked his reads list. Especially the "Town+" part, which includes my strongest reads as well.
2. keybladewielder: Very bad enrance. Not much else. Leaning Scum
3. Titus: Scum. Made some questionable posts earlier and then his comments on KBW look a bit off. The difference in reads also worries me.
4. Minions (Hydra): Leaning town. I like his push on Titus.
6. Bulbazak: Leaning scum. I don't like the direction he tried to lead us to(the HoH choosing by himself)
7. BBmolla: Leaning town. Gut read.
8. peacebringer: null. I did not get a proper read from his posts.
9. blackberry: Leaning town because of his first post.
10. Jake from Rainbow Dash (Hydra of Jake From State Farm and RainbowDash): Town since #47.
11.ToastyToast: Slightly leaning scum. Gut read
12.RachMarie: Null.
13. Toogeloo: Town: His entrance was pretty good and the rest of his posts were fine too. I am fine with his suggestions for elimination.
14. Desperado: Leaning town since #189
Just sticking this here to look at when I'm finished rereading.
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Post Post #1136 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:41 pm

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Oh and just so I don't forget when I'm done. I was reading BB as town anyway, but I don't see the interaction between BB and peacebringer early day one as being likely for partners.
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Post Post #1137 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:31 pm

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In post 1132, BBmolla wrote:
In post 1115, Minions wrote:Ok, bored now of the shit being flung around.

Two shot cop. When the HoH chooses two nominees, we get to investigate one of them and the result is sent to the HoH via the mod.

Suck on it punks.

~ doug
Bullshit. There is no fucking way Voided would put a cop in a nightless. And why the fuck would you not out this sooner? And why the fuck have you not checked anyone?

Like, do you know how BROKEN having a confirmed innocent in a nightless is? Nonetheless two?

You're full of shit
I'm inclined to agree, however there are some caveats that at least make the claim worth entertaining.

Minions stated that the result is sent to the HoH via the mod. This makes the claim automatically confirmable if it's the case. The balance side of it is that 50/50 the person he investigates could end up being evicted anyways, and since the HoH can't vote, he has to sit by and wait to see what comes about it.

Now, the paranoia side suggests that there is power the scum have yet to have revealed to circumvent this. Vote Manipulation, Framing, and Killing the HoH all come to mind. I'm inclined to rule out Killing the HoH outright as I believe that if Scum had that power, they'd probably have used it by now on Imperium (unless he's bamboozled us, in which case, congrats scum, we are never lynching Imperium, so you've pretty much won the game). I'd also be inclined to rule out Vote Manipulation, unless Desperado is indeed scum, in which case they haven't had a need to use it yet. Framing seems entirely plausible, possibly even a reverse framing ability where they can make a nominated scum into a godfather.

This still doesn't solve the problem that scum haven't seemed to show their hand on, and that's eliminating confirmed and high threat town players. This is why I feel there is still power that has yet to show itself. All the same though, either Minions confirms himself to the HoH or he just set himself up to be the next on the chopping block. And obviously, if the HoH dies mysteriously without being able to corroborate Minions claim, it'll look really bad for Minions. But again... I feel as though if Scum had a way to kill the HoH at night, they would have used it on Imperium by now.


My suggestions for nominations would probably be one player from each of these groups:

A) BBmolla, Titus, RachMarie, Bulba, F-16, Toogeloo
B) KBW, Desperado, Toasty, Toogeloo

These are my perceptions of the greater consensus of reads. Players from Group A have a majority of the town base reading them town, there might be 1 or 2 people who would like to see someone from Group A swing, sure, but the majority of the player base seems to town read them. Players from Group B have had suspicion shed on them, or are null in the perception that there haven't been people clamoring that they are town. I put myself in both groups to both appear non-bias, and because I do think I am margining on a near 50/50 split decision of how I am being read.

The player from Group A should be the one investigated. The player from Group B should be the one that's evicted.
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Post Post #1138 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:38 pm

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two things: don't like kbw's refusal to unvote jakedash when they asked because she was going on v/la and don't like rach's first reads post which had both flipped scum as leaning town. Nacho told me she doesn't really bus, so this has me concerned. Nacho's reading her as town, and I tend to always read her as scum, so something I need to talk to nacho about.
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Post Post #1139 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:44 pm

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In post 367, Gnomeo wrote:Imperium, can you explain Peacebringer for me?
Just something I want to think about and look back at.
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Post Post #1140 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:45 pm

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In post 1138, Imperium wrote:two things: don't like kbw's refusal to unvote jakedash when they asked because she was going on v/la and don't like rach's first reads post which had both flipped scum as leaning town. Nacho told me she doesn't really bus, so this has me concerned. Nacho's reading her as town, and I tend to always read her as scum, so something I need to talk to nacho about.
What do you make of Rach's desire to have herself investigated? That read as very town to me.
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Post Post #1141 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:50 pm

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In post 1140, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
In post 1138, Imperium wrote:two things: don't like kbw's refusal to unvote jakedash when they asked because she was going on v/la and don't like rach's first reads post which had both flipped scum as leaning town. Nacho told me she doesn't really bus, so this has me concerned. Nacho's reading her as town, and I tend to always read her as scum, so something I need to talk to nacho about.
What do you make of Rach's desire to have herself investigated? That read as very town to me.
It does sound townish. I'll talk to nacho about what she's capable of. I've seen scum suggest they be investigated before as that's a pretty good way for one not to be investigated.

Right now, I'm trying to reread the game without any biases I've had up until this point though.
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Post Post #1142 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:05 pm

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In post 404, Gnomeo wrote:
In post 402, Jake from Rainbowdash wrote:dashie wanted me to ask everyone to nametheir #1 choice for scum

Thanks

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If gnomeo made sure to ask us about our read on peacebringer, Bulbazack probably isn't scum. We also had bulbazack in our potential scum list, but he only asked us about peacebringer. (This also makes me think that falcon is less likely to be scum as blackberry was also on our list of four and he didn't inquire about him.)
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Post Post #1143 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:12 pm

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In post 1137, Toogeloo wrote:I'm inclined to rule out Killing the HoH outright as I believe that if Scum had that power, they'd probably have used it by now on Imperium (unless he's bamboozled us, in which case, congrats scum, we are never lynching Imperium, so you've pretty much won the game).
Seriously?! The "congratulating/addressing scum" tell? It's like you're not even trying to hide it anymore.

Also, didn't you claim to have an ability as well? I think it was something like vote distribution or something to that effect.
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Post Post #1144 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:49 pm

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In post 1143, Bulbazak wrote:Also, didn't you claim to have an ability as well? I think it was something like vote distribution or something to that effect.
In post 88, Toogeloo wrote:Call me skeptical of any cop claim.

The setup doesn't even look like it gives any room for Night Power roles at all, especially if the Mafia don't have a kill. So a cop claims a guilty on a player, we end up never lynching said cop, and he could end up being scum bussing his partner to get to the end of the game. I'd be surprised if there is a lot of power in this game, if any at all.

And yes, that is me claiming VT.
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Post Post #1145 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:50 pm

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Wrong person then. I swear someone claimed that.
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Post Post #1146 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:52 pm

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I was covering my bases with that segment you quoted be tea dubz. Imperium is easily the towniest player in the game. If he is scum, he is never going to be lynched, so... congrats. Do I believe he is scum though? No.
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Post Post #1147 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:53 pm

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And sorry Tammy, I mean that as the "royal he." I know you are just as big a part of the hydra as Nacho.
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Post Post #1148 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:00 pm

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It's Okay Toogeloo! I'll only cry about it for a little while.

Bulbazack's where he responds to peacebringer with the gif and complains about the game being boring doesn't read as partner interaction either.
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Post Post #1149 (ISO) » Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:08 pm

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Imperium, try comparing this game play with Newbie 1396. That's recent scum meta.
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