Mini 1516: Mafia in Space (Game Over)

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Day 2, Votecount 6

fferyllt [0]

Kid A [3]

ICEninja, Garmr, TvK

TvK [2]

Regfan, fferyllt

My Milked Eek [0]

penguin_alien [0]

Regfan [0]

ICEninja [1]

Kid A

Garmr [0]

Squirrel Girl [0]

Wake88 [2]

Squirrel Girl, My Milked Eek

havingfitz [0]

Not Voting [3]

- penguin_alien, havingfitz, Wake88

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is on December 8th at 11:30 AM PST or in (expired on 2013-12-08 11:30:00)

[My Milked Eek]

I'm being very fair.

I've read that "General Reads I" post. And I don't know who you suspect. I thought it was Kid A going by your vote, but you had him as super town (7-8/10). I have no clue where you are. I repeat what you were so offended about earlier: you're a non-entity in this town:

You don't give us any reads. The ones you give are fake or absurd.
To be more specific:

You don't give us any scumreads

. Just a few people you carefully describe as possibly leaning scum (ice and fitz iirc).
Your votes are fake and hypocritical. I thought that in spite of your lack in the scumread department your vote might tell us who you thought was scum. But nope.

You're voting what you believe is a solid townie to get a claim.

Man, I can't stop bolding this sentence.

Would someone please reiterate with fewer words why he's Scum that needs to die?

Oh god, the irony. It hurts so bad.

[fferyllt]

Wake,

I am not voting Kid A and I'm not likely to change my mind based what is in the game thread. Assuming you're town (and I kinda am because the sheer amount of work you're putting into the game, regardless of the effectiveness or accuracy looks town to me) I think you are probably right to back off that vote if you were voting on the basis of "bad-town". Though I've lost town games by letting someone who was probably town and obviously going to fuck it up get to lylo in the past. I value team too much as a town player, probably.

[Squirrel Girl]

Unvote Kid A

.

Vote Wake88

.

It feels like I'm the one being pulled in a tug-of-war between you and SG. She doesn't want in-depth reads but wants general reads(which is general, and I'm skimming over all other player's ISOs), you don't want general reads but in-depth reads (where I go over stuff and give reads/opinions on much of what you've said).

Just for the record, what I've asked for repeatedly is your reads, and asked them to be provided in whatever method was fastest for you to do. While I did ask just for a quick commentary when you responded that you needed to do the walls to give answers my reply yo that was 'okay' so I don't appreciate you misrepresenting that.

For all the guff I've received from SG, I'd like to know what she thinks of your nearly-contentless reads in this post. Frankly I'd like to see if she'd apply the same measure to you.

I am fine with nearly contentless reads and I think he has explained the reasoning behind his vote on you quite well - do you think he hasn't? I'm not sure what you mean by 'apply the same measure to you'. I am not upset by anything he has done here, so if that makes me hypocritical in your eyes then call me out for I, because I have no issues with what MME is doing right now.

@Penguin - yes, I was totally fine with sitting back and letting that meta argument sort itself out without me. I don't think there is any problem with that and would note that my conversation with the people involved afterwards generally strengthened and solidified the town core again, so I'm basically pretty proud of my play and how it went down. What issue do you have with what I did in context?

[Wake1]

If you got a gut town read on Kid A why the hell did you vote him.

I guess that's a good question. I'm not perfect. On Kid A I had the feeling that he was Town being railroaded because they think he's an easy lynch. I didn't like his weak play, and still don't, which is why I had voted for him Day 1 as well. Ugh, I'm ambivalent. I don't rush to declaring 100% that someone's Town or Scum as quickly as others. He was at L-2 so I wanted to pressure him into claiming, because if he claimed a Town PR I'd then not seek his lynch anymore. And from my experience it's not that uncommon for Town to vote against Townreads here; I've seen that happen a lot. I'd go further, but I can't talk about ongoing games.

[My Milked Eek]

I also don't feel the need to elaborate why I think someone is town. And I think I've elaborated quite a bit on garm, wake and kid a. I could do some write-up about TvK, but I'll just point you to this really nice post of regfan: 1075.

[My Milked Eek]

So, you had the feeling that Kid A was town being railroaded and a weak player, so you put him at L-1 to get him to claim.


I'll let you bold that sentence for me yourself, just to change things around.


Also, putting this quote:
"

I don't

rush

to declaring 100% that someone's Town or Scum as

quickly

as others.

"
Into this context:
"Post #

1129

(ISO) » Sun Dec 01, 2013 03:57:36"
Is really funny.

[My Milked Eek]

"But Eek, I said 100% town"

Yeah, but I don't see you declaring anything at all.

[My Milked Eek]

^pre-emptive reaction to wake

[My Milked Eek]

Wake,

I am not voting Kid A and I'm not likely to change my mind based what is in the game thread. Assuming you're town (and I kinda am because the sheer amount of work you're putting into the game, regardless of the effectiveness or accuracy looks town to me) I think you are probably right to back off that vote if you were voting on the basis of "bad-town". Though I've lost town games by letting someone who was probably town and obviously going to fuck it up get to lylo in the past. I value team too much as a town player, probably.

I somehow missed this bad reason to find someone else town.

[Wake1]

Wake,

I am not voting Kid A and I'm not likely to change my mind based what is in the game thread. Assuming you're town (and I kinda am because the sheer amount of work you're putting into the game, regardless of the effectiveness or accuracy looks town to me) I think you are probably right to back off that vote if you were voting on the basis of "bad-town". Though I've lost town games by letting someone who was probably town and obviously going to fuck it up get to lylo in the past. I value team too much as a town player, probably.

Thanks for acknowledging my effort. Regfan mentioned something similar about my effort, yet has changed to calling it piss-poor. I wonder why he changed his mind on my effort alone?

MME, would you please work with me with civility? Ould you go a little more in-depth on Regfan, ICENinja, and Squirrel Girl? I am trying to stay patient and keep active, because town is a team. If you're Town, and you have any inkling that I may be too, please don't keep insulting and degrading my efforts. You've been an ass to me, and it's taking a lot for me to bite my tongue and let it slither by.

[My Milked Eek]

I'll comply if you do the following:

- read the thread
- give us your reads

I've been asking for you to read the thread since post #721. November 20. It's December 1 and post #1135.

[My Milked Eek]

I'm also not degrading or insulting the efforts you put into your walls. I'm just analyzing them and I find that they're very empty. If you think that's degrading or insulting then that's your problem and you should take a really hard look at what you really are posting. I'm not going to be shut down on the point I'm making about your empty walls and reads just because you think it's insulting.

[Regfan]

Wake, what I wanted to discuss with you has been repeated plenty. I want your thoughts on the reasons why I think TvK is scum. Lets make this very very clear;

You are the one that said that we should bounce thoughts and discuss things with each other. It was you. I reached out in my spoilered Post 912 asking fro your read on Milked there, I got zero response not even a "Will do it later" type comment. Then I wrote down and explained my reasons why I thought TvK was scum very succinctly and got zero response to those either other than "He's a mason" bullshit. So yeah, you think I'm not pissed of and annoyed with you? Heck yeah I am. Do I think you're scum? Not really but do I think you're posting a lot of useless things (Like that narration of TvK's play doesn't help anyone), yes.

Now I don't want to hear "Oh he's mason, not lynching him", Herself didn't just suggest for a TvK vig, she pushed for one, heck she'd have actually lynched TvK yesterday if it wasn't for me (Her vote was on him and she was trying to get votes with the deadline 1-2 days away). So go and read Post 1017 and then I want to hear some legitimate thoughts on it.

Spoiler: A few things about your Post 1094

1. The number system really don't help me get a good sense on your thoughts at all, I'd much rather "Weak town" ect.
2. The "What's the odds of both hydra's being town" is dumb. The odds of her being scum is the same as anyone else right now.

3. If you think that Kid A is newbtown why do you want him to claim, if he's VT wouldn't that be his death warrant?

4. SG said you'd had no stances early game whatsoever, I thought your Annihilator beams were you stating scum reads and then trying to strengthen them via questioning, she said your wiki ect. points to otherwise and that it's just a questioning technique.
5. Everyone is in 3-4-5 in your reads numbered list with the exception of the TvK!Mason theory which is obviously wrong. So you're saying you have no one that you're reading as "strong town" via play? I find that a little hard to believe given I have a few.

TvK's continued avoidance of mentioning Garmr is bad, really bad given his "I'll 1 v 1 him" yesterday, if he'd turned around and said something like "I re-read him overnight and think my suspicions there might be wrong" I'd have found it understandable but the lack of mention means that his read would be the same (Strong scum read on him) but isn't one that he's pursuing.

Also Milkeds back and forth with Wake actually does come across as town.

[fferyllt]

Wake,

I am not voting Kid A and I'm not likely to change my mind based what is in the game thread. Assuming you're town (and I kinda am because the sheer amount of work you're putting into the game, regardless of the effectiveness or accuracy looks town to me) I think you are probably right to back off that vote if you were voting on the basis of "bad-town". Though I've lost town games by letting someone who was probably town and obviously going to fuck it up get to lylo in the past. I value team too much as a town player, probably.

Thanks for acknowledging my effort. Regfan mentioned something similar about my effort, yet has changed to calling it piss-poor. I wonder why he changed his mind on my effort alone?

MME, would you please work with me with civility? Ould you go a little more in-depth on Regfan, ICENinja, and Squirrel Girl? I am trying to stay patient and keep active, because town is a team. If you're Town, and you have any inkling that I may be too, please don't keep insulting and degrading my efforts. You've been an ass to me, and it's taking a lot for me to bite my tongue and let it slither by.

I didn't say a thing about the quality of your effort. Just the amount of work it was. i could be putting too much weight on my own predispositions as scum. A quote-stripe case that I can easily put together as town comes as a huge struggle when I'm scum. And the struggle to keep producing content is just that...a struggle when I'm scum.

There are comments here and there in your posts that have pinged, but the way you've responded when called on them also has a town feel.

And your town case for TvK-town is a horror. It's hard to believe that you even looked at the opposite side of that supposed mirror to see what Herself had to say about him.

[Garmr]

I'm still sobering up but I'm looking back at wake and I think to myself whoah

What's your role, Kid A?

Hunting for roles here.

We don't want a no-lynch.

VOTE: Unvote

I will hammer whoever reaches L-1

, provided there's not a counterclaim that halts it.

Because I'm working 15 hours today, I'll try to contribute when able. At the least, I'll be taking notes and saving them to a draft.

Not caring about who he hammers ;/.

If you got a gut town read on Kid A why the hell did you vote him.

I guess that's a good question. I'm not perfect. On Kid A I had the feeling that he was Town being railroaded because they think he's an easy lynch. I didn't like his weak play, and still don't, which is why I had voted for him Day 1 as well. Ugh, I'm ambivalent. I don't rush to declaring 100% that someone's Town or Scum as quickly as others. He was at L-2 so I wanted to pressure him into claiming, because if he claimed a Town PR I'd then not seek his lynch anymore. And from my experience it's not that uncommon for Town to vote against Townreads here; I've seen that happen a lot. I'd go further, but I can't talk about ongoing games.

This to me rings " I'm hunting town prs and trying to gather as much information about town as possible" Why would you continue on about that after we had the mason incident.


And through he has been gathering information I thought he was going to spit out at least something half decent with them. But post 1094. was just a bunch of null reads. This looks like to me like his trying to make it hard to find scum buddies amongest his reads.


UNVOTE: Kid A
VOTE: Wake

[Wake1]

It would work out better for all of us if I'm given more time to respond. There's real-life stuff tying me up pretty badly right now. However, I'm trying really hard to stay active and help while not getting overwhelmed from all fronts.

Please, please, please ask me one question per post. Now I KNOW that sounds ridiculous, but I'll be able to manage it, and you can as many as you want. I have ADHD. I struggle with focusing. If only one question is in a post, I can focus all of my attention onto it. Would you be willing to give that a try? I don't care if you have a thousand questions. I'll do my damndest to help!

[Garmr]

Ok I have a simple task that may make this easier for you wake.

How about you put all the questions you have been asked in a list then post the list and we focus on two per post then move on to the net two after two have been answered and no more information can be attained from it. Then when that happens move on to the next two.

[Wake1]

Garmr, I can't do that with my phone. No tabs. I've been struggling to recall everything from memory without any sort of support.

If you would ask me one at a time, you would help me make it easier to answer you, thus helping you as well if you're Town. Even if you have hundreds, I'll do it. I made a promise to myself this game that I'd start contributing and doing as much as I can to improve my Townplay.

[fferyllt]

Wake, has the info people have posted about Herself's opinion of TvK changed your read on him?

Also, is your phone an Android? If so, I recommend the Dolphin browser. It supports a ton of multiple tabs.

[Wake1]

Wake, has the info people have posted about Herself's opinion of TvK changed your read on him?

Also, is your phone an Android? If so, I recommend the Dolphin browser. It supports a ton of multiple tabs.

A little bit. I still feel deep down inside that he's really a Mason and that the reason he's still denying it is because there might be more than two Masons. However, maybe I shouldn't have even mentioned it in the first place... Yet people always say you should be honest and not spare what it is you really think and observe. I know Herself voted for TvK voted for him by that means little 'cause I've done the same. As for Herself wanting Fitz to shoot TvK, that's a little more convincing, but we had no idea whether Fitz would carry it out or not. If there's more to it than that PLEASE put it in front of me.

My phone's a cheap 'lil Cricket tracphone.

[fferyllt]

Will you have computer access after the weekend? Maybe the thousands of questions and answers should wait until you're not phoneposting if that's possible.

[Regfan]

Wake, ISO Herself for me and notice the fact that they didn't just "offhand vote TvK" but actually

pushed

for his lynch, even with 2 days left to go until deadline they were pushing it, had I not told them to move they'd have stayed on him until deadline, masons don't deadline lynch their partners ie. TvK isn't a mason. So please read my case against him.

[Wake1]

Will you have computer access after the weekend? Maybe the thousands of questions and answers should wait until you're not phoneposting if that's possible.

It depends on my schedule. Right now I'm in a client's home.

But, I can answer any questions one-by-one on my phone. That I can do, as much as is needed. It's only when I'm getting pressured by people with moderate amounts of posts do I need some tab support.

[Wake1]

Wake, ISO Herself for me and notice the fact that they didn't just "offhand vote TvK" but actually

pushed

for his lynch, even with 2 days left to go until deadline they were pushing it, had I not told them to move they'd have stayed on him until deadline, masons don't deadline lynch their partners ie. TvK isn't a mason. So please read my case against him.

I can ISO her later, but even now I'm not convinced because I've the same exact thing as a Mason. Hell, I've run up a Mason partner up to L-1 before, and we won.

Would it be alright with you if I read/respond to your case against TvK when I'm at a computer? I'm telling you upfront though that mt gut still suspects him as being a Mason. I have no other explanation as to why he'd tell ICEninja that there's not even maybe a reason to suspect her (THAT part I may not be remembering right).