Mini 1603 - Air Combat Mafia - Game Over

[T S O]

that was basically my q

[Anatole Kuragin]

And I wouldn't answer it truthfully if I was, tbh. Not now.

[T S O]

meh.

[T S O]

There's something a little strange about the multitude of attacks on this game.

[Anatole Kuragin]

TSO what's your move?

[MafiaSSK]

There's something a little strange about the multitude of attacks on this game.

What do you mean by this?

[T S O]

TSO what's your move?

re: ?

What do you mean by this?

It means exactly what it says on the tin - I barely ever see this in games, where it's a borderline free-for-all d2. It's disruptive.

[Anatole Kuragin]

would you vote csar?

[mykonian]

I will just say, Myko, that I obviously would have hammered a known town bus driver before deadline if I were scum considering it was a "towny" thing to do and I wouldn't have gotten shit for it, and Idk why you think it's weird that I stalled on a lynch. I was hoping Oman would give an extension given the nature of my question to him, and I was upset that the lack of attention given by the mod to the game was to my detriment when it was something that shouldn't have any influence on the nature of the game. I didn't vote because I thought I was completely justified to have a chance to see an answer to my question before a lynch having asked it 5 hours before the deadline.

It is weird because I hammered it x hours after (what we thought to be) the deadline, with nobody doing a thing about it. By all means, this could have been a d1 without a lynch. That's really strange, it never happens, and it would really suck.

You would have been fine with that just because of your principles, you had an important question and you had the right to an answer before the lynch. That right is all you are hiding behind here.

And I can't think of a question which possible answer could convince you that esspresso was town.

[mykonian]

I can't care much for the line farside gave you how you would never do this as scum. It's lame and you can always make that argument.

Also, shame beli isn't here. I could talk about words.

[MattP]

I was mid an explanation of why I am deciding to claim when you posted that, Myko, but I'll just answer relevant questions you may have after my claim.

I am a follower. I was asking Oman if a follower can follow a bus driver or if the bus driver's action resolves prior to the follower and would render the bus driver un-followable (since bus driver generally resolves first). If I was able to follow Espresso I was going to follow him to verify his role and targets tomorrow. I figured that if he was town it was highly useful to keep him since we could easily coordinate a follower / bus driver deflection setup where each night I followed and he semi-protected me.

Last night I followed Flubber. He went nowhere.

[MattP]

Also I thought given my responses it was pretty clear this was PR-related

[mykonian]

yes, but if you are town scum get that as well. If you are scum... Wasn't really going to let that go with a softclaim.

Beyond the fact that this is all basic NAR stuff: what's the difference between a tracker and a follower?

[MattP]

My actual role name is tracker. I was just going from memory

[MattP]

A follower is just a more sexy version of a tracker, w/ abs and a gentle smile

[farside22]

Farside you need to work on your literacy because I'm trying to be neutral between Reck and you but it's hard when I can only read one person's point of view.

Between my head cold and feeling pissy towards reck; you are asking a lot.

[farside22]

I will just say, Myko, that I obviously would have hammered a known town bus driver before deadline if I were scum considering it was a "towny" thing to do and I wouldn't have gotten shit for it, and Idk why you think it's weird that I stalled on a lynch. I was hoping Oman would give an extension given the nature of my question to him, and I was upset that the lack of attention given by the mod to the game was to my detriment when it was something that shouldn't have any influence on the nature of the game. I didn't vote because I thought I was completely justified to have a chance to see an answer to my question before a lynch having asked it 5 hours before the deadline.

It is weird because I hammered it x hours after (what we thought to be) the deadline, with nobody doing a thing about it. By all means, this could have been a d1 without a lynch. That's really strange, it never happens, and it would really suck.

You would have been fine with that just because of your principles, you had an important question and you had the right to an answer before the lynch. That right is all you are hiding behind here.

And I can't think of a question which possible answer could convince you that esspresso was town.

I don't get why this is scummy to you.
Can you explain why a no lynch makes Matt scum with a town flip?
Don't give me the no info mumbo jumbo.

[vezokpiraka]

Anatole being certain about something means he is just anatole.

[MattP]

Anatole being certain about something means he is just anatole.

So then why did you listen to him

[mykonian]

I don't get why this is scummy to you.
Can you explain why a no lynch makes Matt scum with a town flip?
Don't give me the no info mumbo jumbo.

No info is one part. That's what makes a no lynch day 1 worse than one day 5.

The other is that lynches are towns opportunity at winning the game. You take a significant winrate hit if you don't use your lynches if nothing compensates (and MS setups tend to not compensate).

It's not as if anyone town knew that esspresso would end up flipping town. You take your shot, you don't leave it for tomorrow.

I am a follower. I was asking Oman if a follower can follow a bus driver or if the bus driver's action resolves prior to the follower and would render the bus driver un-followable (since bus driver generally resolves first).

And he does this because he needed to ask if he could track a busdriver, or if this happened before the track so he couldn't... Since when are roleblockers untrackable? I can't be the only one here that thinks there's more to it.

[MattP]

Uh, what? A bus driver resolves prior to any other action. That's the point of a bus driver, to switch all other actions on the two targets. Therefore, I was checking to see if because a bus driver acts prior to all other resolvable actions, including a tracker, if it would be followable by a tracker since I would track after the bus driver action had resolved

[mykonian]

yes, and a roleblocker acts before a tracker... does that mean you can't track a roleblocker? Only if he actually blocks you.

NAR isn't that complicated.

[vezokpiraka]

Uh, what? A bus driver resolves prior to any other action. That's the point of a bus driver, to switch all other actions on the two targets. Therefore, I was checking to see if because a bus driver acts prior to all other resolvable actions, including a tracker, if it would be followable by a tracker since I would track after the bus driver action had resolved

I don't think you understand NAR.

NAR has a golden rule and after that in order to resolve

conflicts

you use the list to resolve them.

I can't stress enough that the list is only used to resolve

CONFLICTS

.

If bus driver targets X & Y and A tracks him there are no conflicts.
The only conflict would appear if the bus driver switched himself with someone else. Then his ability will work before yours and you will track the other person.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Anatole being certain about something means he is just anatole.

are you just basing that on this game?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Matt, why'd you unvote Csareo? I thought he was a consistent scumread for you.