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Open 581: Making Friends and Enemies! (Game over)

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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:27 am
by Heartless
i mean, it's not even a mastermind move

1for1 scum for mason is really dumb on day 2

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:29 am
by Grib
That post was at least 80% sarcastic.

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:31 am
by Heartless
yeah well, my brain is at least 80% pig shit, so i didn't pick up on that

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:33 am
by Grib
It happens.

We could lynch outside of Kaboose and Whatisswag and see if the scumteam takes the possible bait.

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:37 am
by elleheathen
What. The actual. Fuck.

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:47 am
by Heartless
HEY
NO NEED FOR THAT KIND OF FUCKING LANGUAGE

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:47 am
by Heartless
also, tth, plz look at elle when u have the chance thnx in advance

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:48 am
by elleheathen
I CALL BULLSHIT. IT IS NEEDED.

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:49 am
by elleheathen
Also, still want answer.

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:49 am
by elleheathen
↑ Titus wrote:
We should be lynching Swag. Even in the worst instance (meaning that we all perceived his claim to be fake when it wasn't), we get a confirmed scum in Kaboose. If we mislynch Kaboose, then we don't get a confirmed scum in Swag as he'll just say "obvious fake claim for reaction. lolz".

That's not the 'worst instance'. If it were actually that, losing a mason who has already served their purpose is not a worst instance situation when it guarantees us a scum lynch.

The worst instance situation is swag actually being town and lying about the mason claim. Because. That's just fucking stupid.

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:55 am
by Titus
↑ Heartless wrote:
↑ Titus wrote:Elsewhere being NOT SWAG. Sorry that was unclear. It pretty much worked. Y'all think he's derpy VT rather than the scum he is...

and he still gets to produce no content.

i think he's derp town, but not b/c of the claim


Why? Show me something. Since he's such a helpless little dove... (sarcasm)

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:56 am
by Titus
↑ Heartless wrote:i mean, it's not even a mastermind move

1for1 scum for mason is really dumb on day 2


It is if he was boned. Might as well try to spin out of it. A 1 for 1 trade for scum is a hell of a lot better than 0 for 1.

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:57 am
by Titus
↑ elleheathen wrote:
↑ Titus wrote:
We should be lynching Swag. Even in the worst instance (meaning that we all perceived his claim to be fake when it wasn't), we get a confirmed scum in Kaboose. If we mislynch Kaboose, then we don't get a confirmed scum in Swag as he'll just say "obvious fake claim for reaction. lolz".

That's not the 'worst instance'. If it were actually that, losing a mason who has already served their purpose is not a worst instance situation when it guarantees us a scum lynch.

The worst instance situation is swag actually being town and lying about the mason claim. Because. That's just fucking stupid.


Then we remove a threat to us losing a lylo.

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:58 am
by Titus
↑ elleheathen wrote:Also, still want answer.


Answer to what? By whom? Kinda doing multiple things at once.

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:59 am
by Green Crayons
↑ Titus wrote:It is if he was boned. Might as well try to spin out of it. A 1 for 1 trade for scum is a hell of a lot better than 0 for 1.

But swag was not in the position of a scum up against a wall.

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:01 am
by Titus
↑ Green Crayons wrote:
↑ Titus wrote:It is if he was boned. Might as well try to spin out of it. A 1 for 1 trade for scum is a hell of a lot better than 0 for 1.

But swag was not in the position of a scum up against a wall.


YES HE WAS. I FUCKING HAD HIM! I EXPOSED HIM AS THE CONTENTLESS TUNNELLING SCUM!

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:03 am
by Heartless
this is newb town titus. i can go through his iso and yank out all the stuff that just does not come from newb scum.

Spoiler:
↑ Whatisswag wrote:Btw, mine was a serious vote, in case anyone had not noticed.

You ask: Why lynch someone who is late at confirming?

1) They could be scum trying to have more pre-game planning.

2) They have a higher probability of being lurkers.

Lets quicklynch this fairy-dude by page two
VOTE: I love Fairies

↑ Whatisswag wrote:Why not? quicklynches are fun


↑ Whatisswag wrote:
↑ Whatisswag wrote:
↑ Riddleton wrote:I'd recruit a null read. Because there's no weak modifier (ie. I don't die if I misrecruit) it basically acts as a 1-shot cop.


I would actually recruit a town read. I would rather to be able to talk to a conf town then to find a mafia.


I have been thinking about this. I think recuriting someone who is active rather than someone who is a town read is a better choice.

↑ Whatisswag wrote:
↑ elleheathen wrote:... is explained in the unvote.


I think this is a town characteristic as this shows a slight bit of frustration. I would choose to be cautious and attempt to explain more deeply as scum. But 1 town characteristic is not enough for me to make a conclusion.

↑ Whatisswag wrote:
↑ CorpsesInEthanol wrote:Again, robotic. I feel like Riddleton's joking around is exactly the kind of thing he'd do as any alignment. There was no way he'd actually get lynched for claiming shit.

Recklessness is a playstyletell, not an alignment tell.

This could be explained by you using outdated scumhunting methods. So your meta is actually not useless since I can go check to see if all this stuff is playstyle.


This is why I like to play with people I dont know. I dont get bias reads based on meta. To me Riddleton is town, I dont really care what it is to you as long as it does not affect me.

↑ Whatisswag wrote:Actually I have a scum read. Not saying it at the moment.


and i'm not even 1/8 of the way through the iso yet. everything just screams newbtown, as does the recent fakeclaim.

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:06 am
by Green Crayons
One town voting scum for all the right reasons doesn't equate to scum being boned.

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:09 am
by Titus
He's not a newb though... I've played with him before.

However, for your amusement

Post 1: "I'm so townie look at me call attention to myself being all townie."
Post 2: Rushing a lynch
Post 3: Pushing fast lynch
Post 4: Part of Mason fishing/Recruit someone scum are more likely to kill, thus rendering you with less power
Post 5: Waffle to allow himself to vote Elle or not depending on wagon
Post 6: Theory talk
Post 7: Basically grandstanding... oh I theoretically am scumhunting.

So what was town about those posts?

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:10 am
by Titus
↑ Green Crayons wrote:One town voting scum for all the right reasons doesn't equate to scum being boned.


And he wouldn't have actually needed a fake claim if that were right.

I am voting him for the right reasons.

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:15 am
by elleheathen
↑ Titus wrote:
↑ elleheathen wrote:Also, still want answer.


Answer to what? By whom? Kinda doing multiple things at once.

That was to Heartless.

↑ elleheathen wrote:Heartless, read on LR?

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:32 am
by Heartless
probably town? that's another one on tth's docket.

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:46 am
by elleheathen
↑ Heartless wrote:probably town? that's another one on tth's docket.


Yeah, realized when I brought it up that she's more the actual read person goto.
(Also, yours is probably one of the first hydras I've really enjoyed after the 'never touches shift key' etc, differentiation. Really easy to read after that, and good balance in the two.)

YEAH YEAH CALL IT BUDDYING ALL YOU WANT PPL. :roll:

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:32 pm
by Titus
elle, join me on swag. We can sort Grib tomorrow. Once everyone's producing content or lurking, it will become much easier for me to sort Snowvon.

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:56 pm
by elleheathen
↑ Titus wrote:elle, join me on swag. We can sort Grib tomorrow. Once everyone's producing content or lurking, it will become much easier for me to sort Snowvon.

Oh, make no mistake - I'm absolutely with you that he needs to die.
But there's still info I want from today.
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