If kthx is telling the truth
Then d3x is confirmed for swapping with titus.
If d3x swapped with titus
and lufan is telling the truth about his target
then rbd is only not dead due to scum interference.
If kthx is lying
Then d3x swapped with rbd, kthx lies to set up rbd, scum either no killed or targeted killer jester?
If lufan is lying
...why is he lying?
Zzzzzzz
TLdr if kthx tells the truth, then Lufan or RBD is scum. Most likely RBD Ari.
If kthx lied, kthx is scum, thus suggesting kthx is scum as well.
Kthx and Ari are possible lynches tomorrow as it is impossible to make a setup without either of them as scum IMO.
Kthx RBD are also in a setup where one of them must be scum. If kthx told the truth, then scum acted to save RBD. If kthx lied, he is scum.
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:51 pm
by Titus
I am going to play a very cautious game tomorrow if Ari does not flip today.
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:00 pm
by Rainbowdash
↑Titus wrote:The order you posted should only trigger if there is a conflict between actions.
So you really think that your JK resolved before a bus drive would have?
Those roles are in conflict from the start when they target a similar opponent.
Either you bus drive X and Y before or after Y is blocked. How do you determine what happens first? I could say the bus drive should not be able to be modified by a swapping action, or I could say a swapping action should not be able to be blocked.
Its not like you are trying to argue the cop got to his target before the framer. JK or Driver could be argued that they resolve first, so you go to the list, Driver resolves first. More or less the "emergency list" is how to just resolve the actions on any given night, you go down the list resolving them one at a time.
Anypony actually agree with Titus on that one? At all? At most I could see you argue "mod decision" but everything suggests that a bus drive would take priority over a jailkeep.
You are basing your entire reason to think kthnx is scum on "JK resolves before driver". What if the rest of the game tells you that logic is faulty? Would you vote kthnx then?
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:33 am
by Titus
RBD, quit throwing mud.
NAR states that any action that would prevent another action goes first. So it is still possible that lufan and KJ were swapped thus no kill. Second, KJ and you being swapped is still possible as JK could resolve before bussing. Either JK resolves before or after a bus and thus you are not clearing yourself by night action. On my first site, JK resolved before every single other action. In fact, most sites have JK submit target during the day. MS is the only unique one in that regard.
Right now, I want to see if we can force team's to emerge rather than clearing one person. If you are town, you should have zip to worry about.
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:35 am
by Titus
You and kthx are on different sides to me. That much is plainly apparent. I would have less problem following you if you could resolve NAR and how the fuck Heartless imploded on flames. You are not giving those answers, the ones I need, so I am left with two possible scenarios which do not explain everything.
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:28 am
by Elbirn
^ and yet kthx telling the truth pretty much clears you. If he is town, we must assume he tells the truth, therefore you're town. And in addition him telling the truth means that rbd is scum.
If he's scum, what's his motivation for including you in his story? If you're town, why did he clear a townie? To set up rbd as scum? If you think rbd is scum, Why would he do that to a scum buddy?
Tldr I don't think I explained myself very well but if you're town titus than at least one of those two are town to you
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:29 am
by Elbirn
(That post was in regards to your "you two aren't on the same side as me" quip)
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:42 am
by Titus
Elbrin, that post meant kthx and RBD were on opposite sides to each other for reasons you mentioned.
Aristophanes has been at l-2 for several days. No hammer. why isn't he dead?
We have 22 hours to lynch and I'm about ready to vote ari unless someone wants to convince me otherwise.
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:41 am
by Kthxbye
With 8 remaining players and it being safe to assume 3 are scum, town had 5 votes and scum had 3.
If Jingle is town and has stolen my vote to give him 2 instead of 1, then this is still the case.
If Jingle is scum and has stolen my vote to give him 2 instead of 1, then town are down to 4 votes while scum have 4.
If Jingle is town and has 2 votes, it would still take Titus and lufan to both be town and it would take the remaining 1 town not on Ari (or any other scum mattwagon for that er) to hammer scum today.
If Jingle is scum and has 2 votes, soon as town get to L-2 and he's around, it's gg.
Seeing as I'm pretty sure I have been at L-2 at some point, this means Jingle is town or a scum Jingle missed his opportunity or doesn't have 2 votes and only nullified my vote. I'm leaning the former of the 3.
So, what's it all mean? In order to lynch scum today, Jingle
must
be town
and
have 2 votes and the remaining 3 town have to join him on a scum wagon OR scum will have to bus.
Ari is only town
if
Jingle is scum (with 2 votes) with both of titus and lufan -OR- if Jingle is scum with only 1 vote (mine being not stolen but just suppressed), one of Titus/Lufan is scum with him and the remaining scum partner is waiting for a town vote to join the wagon so they can hammer.
If Ari was town and Jingle is scum with 2 votes and titus and lufan are both town, scum have 2 votes not on the wagon and would have won already. If Ari was town and Jingle is scum with 1 vote and titus and lufan are both town, scum still have 2 votes and would have hammered already. If Ari was town and Jingle is town with 2 votes and one of Lufan/Titus is town, scum still have 2 votes and would have hammered already. If Ari was town and Jingle is town with one vote and one of Lufan/Titus is town, scum still have 2 votes and would have hammered already......getting the picture?
So, with all that in mind, why isn't Ari looking at Jingle/lufan/titus as scum if the only way he is town is if the above is true? Instead, he's voting someone NOT on his wagon and is voting with RBD, which brings me to my next obvious question. Why is RBD ignoring glaring obviousness (like the above) and pushing shit as fact and flooding the thread with it?
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:56 am
by Elbirn
VOTE: aristophanes
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:07 am
by Kthxbye
Now we see if Jingle has 2 votes or 1.
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:27 am
by killerjester
VOTE: Aristophanes
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:46 am
by Aristophanes
Welp, this was quite the game.
GG scum.
Of course, I have always been amazing D1 lynch or Lylo mislynch.
P.S. If you are town, you should be raging at the mod for a mod error right now.
*Insert Raging Owl Beast here*
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:04 pm
by Kthxbye
You serious right now? No way Ari flips town. My p1136 has him as scum unless 3 of titus/kj/lufan/jingle are scum
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:17 pm
by Aristophanes
Maybe I'm the scum with KJ and they bussed for townpoints!
Did we even consider my shot being redirected onto Lufan, vanillaizing them and thus blocking their shot on RBD?
I just thought of that one now!
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:28 pm
by Titus
Jingle claimed vanillaized, lufan would have claimed vanillaized so your plan requires both of them to be scum. Plus, why would they redirect you onto themselves when they could neutralize any town player. Nope. That did not happen.
If you are town, this mod does not get NAR.
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:31 pm
by Aristophanes
↑Titus wrote:Jingle claimed vanillaized, lufan would have claimed vanillaized so your plan requires both of them to be scum. Plus, why would they redirect you onto themselves when they could neutralize any town player. Nope. That did not happen.
If you are town, this mod does not get NAR.
Ah, a valid point!
When we say "Mod" do we mean Kiwi, Equinox, or Anti?
I can see why mod error may exist.