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Alchemist, Spider Gwen, one of the lurkers

EE will be a pain to read.

↑ Elyse wrote:Alchemist, Spider Gwen, one of the lurkers

Could see Alch.

Yeah well I'm going to bed. Good night yall

Jesus Christ my slot has been so obvtown this game there is definitely AT LEAST two scum currently on our wagon.

~Spiffy

Just a warning some not nice things will probably be said right about now that I probably don't mean because I don't take being wagoned for no reason very well.

~Spiffy

I also predict that someone like random or grapes will try to turn one of these posts into something that casts me in a negative light.

~Spiffy

↑ Dapper Stranger wrote:Spitflop's ISO, if one is investigating, is full of these kinds of posts where that one is assigning reads with no substance. This is sounding to a man as having come from an informed perspective.

DUDE YOU PLAYED A GAME WITH ME YOU KNOW I ALWAYS MAKE POSTS LIKE THIS. I make observations and draw conclusions about them when there is enough to go off of. Ask anyone else who has played with me.

↑ Dapper Stranger wrote:A man is giving but a few examples. Two of these reads- the ones on Elyse and Klingon- a man is finding of utmost importance. He sees no reason in making a long post longer. This last quote is also the meat of his argument against Spiff. That one is making a snap read on someotne solely because they aren't falling in line with everyone else with Stupid Voting Sequence. A man is opening with a question at large when he is making the start of a game (which isn't happening this time) and knows, just so, this isn't telling anything of one's alignment. Neither is Klingon's venture from the common path.

The second wasn't even my post but yes the FOS was suspicious for reasons explained by hiplop and several others had already covered. I mean I don't even know what you're saying the rest of this so... Who gives a shit if it's not the best vote in the world? Why should we tread around a wagon forming on a scumread in RVS?

↑ Dapper Stranger wrote:Once he is seeing some agreement amongst others he is sticking with that one as his intended target because he is knowing it to have traction. From there, he is with AN AGENDA of finding the "scum" in Klingon, twisting some things she is saying in an effort to keep interest. Keep in mind, his initial "scum read" is still coming from the flakiness of reasons (capitalizing on the human condition of being resistant to change or anything different, kinda like how at work or school most people are put off by having to learn a "new way of doing things") as the basis for his read. With a preconceived notion, a man is noting it is easy to find evidence to support an opinion. A man is doing this much and more, and getting away with even more than he should have been able to, as scum in his last game.

YES JAQEN WE KEPT OUR VOTE ON KLINGON WHEN IT GAINED TRACTION. YES ONCE KLINGON POSTED MORE WE BOTH DETERMINED THAT SHE WAS SCUMMY AS FUCK AND VOCALLY SUPPORTED AND STILL SUPPORT HER LYNCH TODAY. What things did we twist? You don't just get to fucking misrepresent and slander us like that without giving examples of what the fuck you're talking about. The FOS thing is not the basis of our (at least my) read. Meta is. This is been explained by myself time and time again, and Titus has agreed with me on that account: this is scum Klingon. I'm curious as to why you targeted us specifically out of everyone that voted Klingon early on when our slot has been the most fucking clear and vocal about our reasons why. You're going into this with the mindset that Klingon is town and targeting her biggest nay-sayer without even ATTEMPTING to evaluate her play or consider the arguments presented by everyone scum reading her.

↑ Dapper Stranger wrote:At the time of the first post Elyse was feeling a bit of hate and this one is abruptly calling the Garmr/Elyse match TvS with Garmr looking very town and Elyse not so much. When all is being quickly explained and it is obvious opinion is swinging against Elyse, Spiff is going back to 'nah girl! You're town just not uber town' as an out on what's evidence of his first slip. A man is naming it such because it is showing his eagerness to lynch someone. That kind of excitement a man isn't seeing from early D1 town because they aren't having the knowledge needed to form an opinion truly one way or the other.

THIS MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE. Once again this wasn't me. I can't tell if you're saying "Spiff" as in Spiffeh or just our slot as a whole.
You never explain how the FUCK this looks like we have an eagerness to lynch someone, and you also don't explain HOW THAT'S BAD IN THE FIRST PLACE???

↑ Dapper Stranger wrote:That one is also doing a fair amount of schmoozing. First with Aunt Jemina (whose ego everyone know she is liking stroked) with his over the top "my friendly maple syrup mama" town assignment to his "girl power" post and then acting as if he's captivated by the secret alt which is Spider Gwen (who cares, not relevant to the game). This schmoozing is giving this one a free pass as he is saying those things he thinks people want to hear. Instead of ardently figuring out who is or isn't scum.

So now we're scum for listing town reads? You're attacking posts like my "girl power" one and actually trying to twist them into something to fit this fucking narrative you're building. THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT OBVIOUS YOU'RE NOT COMING INTO THIS READ WITH AN OPEN MIND. YOU ARE COMING INTO IT WITH YOUR MIND MADE UP ALREADY AND ARE LOOKING FOR ANYTHING UNDER THE SUN THAT CAN FIT.

↑ Dapper Stranger wrote:Umm, no. Nothing to town is a slam dunk 426 posts into a large theme game. A man is knowing this to be just so, just as he is knowing both Spiffheads are feeling the same way as town with the hesitance D1 in recently finished games with the both which neither are exercising here. The only way Klingon is a slam dunk for scum at this point is if scum are feeling pretty sure they are causing the mislynch of a strong player the first day which is high on their priority for night kills.

And here you're once again using a trivial fucking post to try and cast us in a negative light, ESPECIALLY when you should know I have a certain confidence and aggression towards my scum reads.

How the fuck is this the case that started the wagon on us?

~Spiffy

↑ Randomnamechange wrote:Passionate Storm - seems as obnoxious as usual. null-town
Garmr - hasn't particularly pinged for me, will re-read
I Am Innocent - didn't notice they were in the game
inte - same as above
PeregrineV - had a null-town earlier but can't remember why
Dapper Stranger - town, I'm liking their logic and their scumreads. Town
Klingoncelt - I like the fact that they are sticking to their guns and aren't trying to convince people to townread them, they are trying to do their job. Town
Spider Gwen - ignored me then made a bad vote on passionate storm. Scum
Aunt Jemina - seems very focussed on giving reads rather than actually trying to sort out what is going on. null-scum
TheWayItEnds - barely registered they were in the game.
T S O - like what I've seen, town
Shiro - hasn't pinged, will reread
My Other Head Is Scum - I can't read fire, if vedith becomes more active will be able to give something on them.
Alchemist21 - I like alch and want them to be town. town
Extrapolated Eagle - EE's posts have been mixed for me, bit I'm scumreading his pushers and there fore null-town
itlepip - when I said I was scumreading them earlier I meant spifflop. My bad. They haven't really registered so I'll put them at null
Aneninen - a mysterious man full of mysterious mystery. Null
Errantparabola - I disliked his early pushes on EE, but since then has been decent. Null
Elyse - dislike fence sitty blehness. Scum
grapes - hasn't pinged that much but seems to have posted a decent amount. Null-scum
Spifflop - dapper's reasoning basically. He made some good points. Scum
Varsoon - a mysterious man full of mysterious mystery. Null

This is the worst post in the thread bar none.
And that's coming off of Jaqen's case on us so that means something. This is definitely scum with Klingon.

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Wow, that was quite well thought out. I'll drop Elyse for now, I don't have the energy at this moment in time to continue pushing that lynch. And spifflop practically completely clears Klingon. So,

VOTE: spifflop

WHAT
THE
FUCK

So this guy drops the Elyse vote COMPLETELY after Jaqen's case (without explaining why he agrees with it) but getting him to even fucking CONSIDER Klingon as scum is like pulling teeth.

↑ Randomnamechange wrote:Spifflop - dapper's reasoning basically. He made some good points. Scum

Another guy that is shoehorning Jaqen's case and using it as an opportunity to ignore Klingon's scumminess and remove her greatest adversary.

This is scum with Klingon.

↑ Spifflop wrote:

↑ Randomnamechange wrote:Spifflop - dapper's reasoning basically. He made some good points. Scum

Another guy that is shoehorning Jaqen's case and using it as an opportunity to ignore Klingon's scumminess and remove her greatest adversary.

This is scum with Klingon.

Agreed.

I wish Jeanne would post her thoughts too.

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

↑ Elyse wrote:I haven't read anything but I see spifflop votes and when I come back tonight those shitty votes better get off Spiff and on Kling. Spiff is the towniest town that ever towned.

Too good to pass up.

Vote: Spifflop

This is about what I expect from this player.

~Spiffy (all of these have been from me I forgot to sign a few)

Do you think Spider can be bitter town?

↑ grapes wrote:Have only read the last couple pages but the spifflop votes are beautiful.

Lots of resistance too and I haven't seen one person muster a reason why they're so town.

Fun fact this guy has vote parked on us all day and still has yet to explain why he is scum reading us. Now you've given him an out Jaqen way to go.

~Spiffy

EVERYONE NOTICE HOW EVERYONE THAT HAS VOTED FOR ME IS TURNING A BLIND EYE TO THE ARGUMENTS PRESENTED FOR KLINGON SCUM YET ARE ACTING LIKE THEIR VOTES ARE JUSTIFIED.

No one is specifically acknowledging the main push we've had all game which means they have no fucking basis for voting us in the first place.

~Spiffy

↑ Dapper Stranger wrote:5/101 posts

You're bad.

Since when did quantity of posts matter?

~Spiffy

I can't sleep :/

But a big YAS to everything Spiff is saying like holy shit it's frustrating how people are degrading the Klingon case to the FoS in RVS. Like have you SEEN any of her posts?

↑ Dapper Stranger wrote:With all this in mind, Anen, a man's perspective on both Celt and Elyse is coming not from their posts, but rather Spifflop. That one's stance on Elyse is town quickly to Elyse is scum when that is briefly popular and then quickly back to Elyse is town again is showing she can't be scum with Spifflop because she's easily being discarded with little provocation.

WOW I ALMOST FORGOT THIS GEM.

Jaqen admits that he is basing his entire read on Klingon off of us. Why on FUCKING EARTH would you not try to form a read on your own of the player so many people are town reading? He admits right here he hasn't gone into this with an open mind and isn't considering the several valid points against Klingon.

~Spiffy

↑ Garmr wrote:Don't like the fact that the spifflop wagon I don't think the reasoning for it is good despite the fact that more than half of spiffys veiws contrast mine I can put this slot as town. Also my number 1 scum read has jumped onto it and I don't think he will get lynched because people seem dumb so Might as well jump on scum read numero duece since that is likely to get lynched today.

VOTE: Klingon

This is town.

~Spiffy

Just so Jaqen can stop discrediting our reasons and motives for voting Klingon, this is where I explain my main reason for scumreading Klingon:
Klingon says that both of our heads are notorious for reading her wrong.

↑ Spifflop wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=63171: Town read Klingon all of Day 1 as she was getting pressured. She was nightkilled N1 and flipped town.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=63284: Klingon subs into a scum slot and I scum read her pretty immediately. I go apathetic and drop it but she turns out to be scum.

So Klingon please explain to me how you can possibly say that I'm notorious for misreading you.

~Spiffy

This is what made it clear that Klingon was only concerned with discrediting the wagon on her. The way Jaqen is trying to misrepresent us and act are whole read is based off of the FOS thing is fucking ridiculous.

~Spiffy

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:@garmr Nobody is writing me off as village idiot, as far as I understand. I just need to learn to be a little less wordy with my posts so they don't take a million and a half years to read all the way through.

Other people: feel free to correct me if above is wrong

Titus: Don't bring my job into this!

Next post: Brings another part of her job into this.

Yeah. I'm still mad at you for that post you made earlier

Look how much this guy has changed now that he has an excuse to be on a wagon other than Klingon. He was so vocal when trying to get an Elyse wagon going (while simultaneously ignoring the points against Klingon) but now has literally nothing to say.

~Spiffy

@EE please explain what aspect of Dapper Stranger's case resonated with you and address my response to his case.

~Spiffy

↑ Klingoncelt wrote:I've spent most of my time in this game defending myself, what the hell game have you been watching?

As for Scum hunting, defending myself has taken up most of my time, but I have asked some questions (I still await AJ's reply.)

It's not like you're acting super Towny or anything. The best course of action is for Town to work together and you don't seem at all interested in that. Instead, Town is expected to work for you.

VOTE: itlepip

There - I found Scum, Pip. Ya happy?

HOW DO PEOPLE THINK THIS IS TOWN.
SHE GIVES ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR THIS VOTE HOLY SHIT.

~Spiffy