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In post 1109, Dragonfire wrote:

In post 1104, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote: Of course. He quoted copper's post. He did that for a reason.

A) Invoking dead town players for cred is just tacky (admittedly irrelevant I just wanted to point it out).
B) He's assuming that whatever power roles we have followed copper's plan and someone has something on me (but there's no reason to assume this, town doesn't listen to dead town all the time, I certainly wouldn't have listened to copper's plan for one which means he's glomming on to this unsafe assumption as cover to push a wagon he already knew would develop, that's scum behavior).
C) He's representing a power role and action that indicts me (as I know I'm town, I know this is bullshit and really only makes sense from scum).
D) Mystery door (there's a goat behind it).

Of course you wouldn't have listened to his plan if you're town. Also, copper did share all his thoughts with us before he died so I doubt Jae is scum hoping to get towncred by invoking his name. Anyway, that would be only possible if you were scum too...

VOTE: DDD

Next time you're just going to gargle some random nonsense that doesn't relate to what I said don't bother quoting my posts please and thanks.

In post 1110, goodmorning wrote:I've never thought of Scumcho as AtE-heavy but I suppose YMMV.

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Fine; intent to hammer DDD in ~18 hours' time.

Why? I'm so freaking dispirited. There's nothing to argue about and no one seemingly to persuade, I'm getting run up for fucking nothing. I refuted Dragon's terrible initial arguments, iron has never made anything resembling an argument, Jae is fucking free riding on copper's green flip, and Accountant doesn't appear to post actual arguments either. I'm getting voted because I had votes yesterday and because copper was wrong about me, come the fuck on.

In post 1123, ironstove wrote:Yea forget this I'm lynching DDD and I don't care what you say GL

Make your case. I believe Jae believes his read (but I think he's wrong). I don't know your case on anyone really. You just seem to go with the flow.

@ anyone scum reading DDD, please make a concise case. I think he's Town.

In post 1117, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm not following this either, DDD literally voted his counterwagon at deadline. The people pushing copper were goodmorning, jon, and Accountant.

You're saying DDD didn't push copper or want him lynched? Give me a break.

In post 1127, jon_h61 wrote:

In post 1123, ironstove wrote:Yea forget this I'm lynching DDD and I don't care what you say GL

Make your case. I believe Jae believes his read (but I think he's wrong). I don't know your case on anyone really. You just seem to go with the flow.

@ anyone scum reading DDD, please make a concise case. I think he's Town.

There's no point asking iron to make a case, he's incapable of doing so fyi.

Why don't you give us some reasons why he's town? If you want reasons why he's scum, read most of what copper and I said yesterday with regards to him, then ask yourself why there would be two L-1 wagons on D1, both on townies, and nobody switching for ages until GL delivered the hammer.

In post 1128, Dragonfire wrote:

In post 1117, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm not following this either, DDD literally voted his counterwagon at deadline. The people pushing copper were goodmorning, jon, and Accountant.

You're saying DDD didn't push copper or want him lynched? Give me a break.

I was fine with a copper lynch, it wasn't just a survival play but I preferred your lynch.

In post 1128, Dragonfire wrote:

In post 1127, jon_h61 wrote:

In post 1123, ironstove wrote:Yea forget this I'm lynching DDD and I don't care what you say GL

Make your case. I believe Jae believes his read (but I think he's wrong). I don't know your case on anyone really. You just seem to go with the flow.

@ anyone scum reading DDD, please make a concise case. I think he's Town.

There's no point asking iron to make a case, he's incapable of doing so fyi.

Why don't you give us some reasons why he's town? If you want reasons why he's scum, read most of what copper and I said yesterday with regards to him, then ask yourself why there would be two L-1 wagons on D1, both on townies, and nobody switching for ages until GL delivered the hammer.

It wasn't forever, it was like a day and why would scum need to change their mind? Changing your mind and lynching a townie looks awful, look how much shit everyone is giving GL for it. Why would scum who were safely ensconced on their wagons of choice feel the need to do anything when GL was going to have to decide and take the fall for them?

In post 1129, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:It wasn't forever, it was like a day and why would scum need to change their mind? Changing your mind and lynching a townie looks awful, look how much shit everyone is giving GL for it. Why would scum who were safely ensconced on their wagons of choice feel the need to do anything when GL was going to have to decide and take the fall for them?

So you're implying that you know GL is town... only scum know others' alignment for sure. You might have slipped there.

In post 1128, Dragonfire wrote:Why don't you give us some reasons why he's town? If you want reasons why he's scum, read most of what copper and I said yesterday with regards to him, then ask yourself why there would be two L-1 wagons on D1, both on townies, and nobody switching for ages until GL delivered the hammer.

Your agreeing with copper's case on DDD was what made me initially scum read your slot. It looked (s) like scum agreeing with a bad case on nothing. Even after re-rereading, I don't find the case credible.

One BIG reason not to move votes is because both wagons were Town.

Pedit I'm implying I think DDD is Town. Is there a difference?

In post 1130, Dragonfire wrote:

In post 1129, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:It wasn't forever, it was like a day and why would scum need to change their mind? Changing your mind and lynching a townie looks awful, look how much shit everyone is giving GL for it. Why would scum who were safely ensconced on their wagons of choice feel the need to do anything when GL was going to have to decide and take the fall for them?

So you're implying that you know GL is town... only scum know others' alignment for sure. You might have slipped there.

No I'm saying there's a very credible scenario where GL is town and the two wagons at the end of the day yesterday were on town players. There is also a scenario where GL is scum and the two wagons at the end of the day yesterday were on town players but I think if that were the case then he would've just voted for me because it would've been easier and he would've had less attention focused on him. Hence why I only presented the first scenario, because I find it more likely.

In post 1131, jon_h61 wrote:

In post 1128, Dragonfire wrote:Why don't you give us some reasons why he's town? If you want reasons why he's scum, read most of what copper and I said yesterday with regards to him, then ask yourself why there would be two L-1 wagons on D1, both on townies, and nobody switching for ages until GL delivered the hammer.

Your agreeing with copper's case on DDD was what made me initially scum read your slot. It looked (s) like scum agreeing with a bad case on nothing. Even after re-rereading, I don't find the case credible.

One BIG reason not to move votes is because both wagons were Town.

Pedit I'm implying I think DDD is Town. Is there a difference?

Yes there is, because you explicitly said you think DDD is town, whereas DDD was implying that he knows GL is town due to it forming the basis of his logic in his point.

Also, you never said why you think he's town.

In post 1132, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:

In post 1130, Dragonfire wrote:

In post 1129, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:It wasn't forever, it was like a day and why would scum need to change their mind? Changing your mind and lynching a townie looks awful, look how much shit everyone is giving GL for it. Why would scum who were safely ensconced on their wagons of choice feel the need to do anything when GL was going to have to decide and take the fall for them?

So you're implying that you know GL is town... only scum know others' alignment for sure. You might have slipped there.

No I'm saying there's a very credible scenario where GL is town and the two wagons at the end of the day yesterday were on town players. There is also a scenario where GL is scum and the two wagons at the end of the day yesterday were on town players but I think if that were the case then he would've just voted for me because it would've been easier and he would've had less attention focused on him. Hence why I only presented the first scenario, because I find it more likely.

If GL is scum and you are town, then it would have been equally easy for him to hammer either of you, because the town-flip of one would lead the rest of the town into lynching the other the next day. So don't use that in your defense, because I'm absolutely sure that if you'd been lynched and flipped town then everyone would be on copper today like a flash, no questions asked

** Of course, I'm not including myself in this.

In post 1133, Dragonfire wrote:If GL is scum and you are town, then it would have been equally easy for him to hammer either of you, because the town-flip of one would lead the rest of the town into lynching the other the next day. So don't use that in your defense, because I'm absolutely sure that if you'd been lynched and flipped town then everyone would be on copper today like a flash, no questions asked

** Of course, I'm not including myself in this.

Bullshit, you and JAe represented absolutely no interest in a copper lynch regardless of what I flipped and it's impossible to predict what iron would do because the only thing he'll do is drone the words "Danny is scum" over and over.

But that's irrelevant to the point I made. Lynching copper drew eyes to GL, it brought him attention. We've been over this before and scum usually don't want to be in the limelight, lynching copper put him in the limelight while lynching me would've avoided it because it would've been more consistent with his past statements. Hence why I think he's more likely town than scum and why I presented my scenario in such a fashion.

Sheeping DDD's GL read.

@accountant who u b sheeping?

Ironstove might be a good vote.
VOTE: ironstove

I'm sure everyone who's played more than a few games has seen this kind of play lynched as Town, but it can easily be scum cover too.

In post 1118, goodmorning wrote:Lion, the question is: you said you weren't going to vote copper. Then you voted him. What changed your mind?

If you're not going to answer it from Acct, at least answer it from me please.

In post 1076, GuiltyLion wrote:I changed my mind to compromise at deadline. I thought copper was more likely to be scum than DDD, and also I thought that if he was in fact town then it would tell us more information via his flip than a town!DDD flip. Given that he was town, he was never going to be NK'd, and I'm sure you and goodmorning would have been pushing him today in the alternate universe where we mislynched DDD instead.

The only way a DDD flip would have been more useful than copper's was if he were scum, and I still don't think it's likely that he is.

the basic tl;dr is I was townreading both wagons and went for the lynch that I thought would be more useful.

In post 1128, Dragonfire wrote:You're saying DDD didn't push copper or want him lynched? Give me a break.

I never said he didn't want him lynched, I said he didn't push him. His vote was on you for most of the day

In post 1130, Dragonfire wrote:

In post 1129, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:It wasn't forever, it was like a day and why would scum need to change their mind? Changing your mind and lynching a townie looks awful, look how much shit everyone is giving GL for it. Why would scum who were safely ensconced on their wagons of choice feel the need to do anything when GL was going to have to decide and take the fall for them?

So you're implying that you know GL is town... only scum know others' alignment for sure. You might have slipped there.

- thoughts on this post?

In post 1127, jon_h61 wrote:

In post 1123, ironstove wrote:Yea forget this I'm lynching DDD and I don't care what you say GL

Make your case. I believe Jae believes his read (but I think he's wrong). I don't know your case on anyone really. You just seem to go with the flow.

@ anyone scum reading DDD, please make a concise case. I think he's Town.

yeah, well, i did too, but i'm still feeling kinda dispirited so currently don't give a shit

In post 1128, Dragonfire wrote:Why don't you give us some reasons why he's town?

i feel like i have said the words 'burden of proof' to you in this game already.

ask yourself why there would be two L-1 wagons on D1, both on townies, and nobody switching for ages until GL delivered the hammer.

i think this probably happens a lot more than you think it does. a couple possible reasons off the top of my head:
-scum didn't want to look guilty for hammer
-scum felt like they couldn't switch in a way that would seem natural
-there's no real reason to have preferred one town lynch over the other
-scum were busy doing other things
-lion is scum who got tired of waiting despite the above reasons
-people are rarely sensible

In post 1135, jon_h61 wrote:Ironstove might be a good vote.

nah

@lion: that makes sense, thanks

In post 1137, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 1130, Dragonfire wrote:

In post 1129, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:It wasn't forever, it was like a day and why would scum need to change their mind? Changing your mind and lynching a townie looks awful, look how much shit everyone is giving GL for it. Why would scum who were safely ensconced on their wagons of choice feel the need to do anything when GL was going to have to decide and take the fall for them?

So you're implying that you know GL is town... only scum know others' alignment for sure. You might have slipped there.

Jae

- thoughts on this post?

You know my opinion about that. Stop trying to get me to switch off DDD.

I'll make this perfectly clear: I am going to follow copper's reads and advice. I am not going to listen to anyone who was on his wagon, and especially not the person who hammered him. I am beyond pissed at whoever was town there.

Im sheeping jae

Going to be honest here guys this isn't a game that motivates me strongly due to how messy it is so imma go ahead and sheep who I know is town

Well I feel that people who tend to say they'll sheep someone past d1 are sus

To sheep with this many posts into the game n not have 'confidence' in your read on who you want to see lynched to me is scum trying to avoid getting lynched and avoiding accountability when ppl flip town so please stop using the term sheet and get behind your fucking votes

Then vote me

I would but I also know a person who has an anime girl as his avatar would like nothing more than for me to put him out of his misery because Myuki-chan thinks martyrs are kawaii.

lol

jae at least 60% of the people on his wagon were town

but ok, you do you

In post 1137, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 1130, Dragonfire wrote:

In post 1129, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:It wasn't forever, it was like a day and why would scum need to change their mind? Changing your mind and lynching a townie looks awful, look how much shit everyone is giving GL for it. Why would scum who were safely ensconced on their wagons of choice feel the need to do anything when GL was going to have to decide and take the fall for them?

So you're implying that you know GL is town... only scum know others' alignment for sure. You might have slipped there.

Jae

- thoughts on this post?

Why do you care what Jae thinks?

(my) Town bloc: DDD,accountant and GM. Applications being accepted.

In post 1134, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote: Bullshit, you and JAe represented absolutely no interest in a copper lynch regardless of what I flipped and it's impossible to predict what iron would do because the only thing he'll do is drone the words "Danny is scum" over and over.

That's just three players though. If you got lynched and flipped town, the five people on copper's wagon yesterday would have lynched him today.

But that's irrelevant to the point I made. Lynching copper drew eyes to GL, it brought him attention. We've been over this before and scum usually don't want to be in the limelight, lynching copper put him in the limelight while lynching me would've avoided it because it would've been more consistent with his past statements. Hence why I think he's more likely town than scum and why I presented my scenario in such a fashion.

That could be true... but only if you're town, which I think you're not. So in the unlikely case that you do end up flipping town, I'll come back to this.

In post 1135, jon_h61 wrote: Ironstove might be a good vote.
VOTE: ironstove

I'm sure everyone who's played more than a few games has seen this kind of play lynched as Town, but it can easily be scum cover too.

But that's the whole problem. With someone like iron, it's literally impossible to determine their alignment. The only real leads he's given are that he townreads copper and I, and scumreads DDD (and I think GL too)? If DDD gets lynched and flips scum, I will highly doubt iron is scum. If he turns out to be town, we're back at square one with iron.

In post 1137, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 1128, Dragonfire wrote:You're saying DDD didn't push copper or want him lynched? Give me a break.

I never said he didn't want him lynched, I said he didn't push him. His vote was on you for most of the day

Now you're misrepping things. He accused him, pushed him, said multiple times he wanted to lynch both him and me. Even if his vote was on me for a long time, it doesn't mean he wasn't pushing copper because he 100% was.

In post 1138, goodmorning wrote:

In post 1128, Dragonfire wrote:Why don't you give us some reasons why he's town?

i feel like i have said the words 'burden of proof' to you in this game already.

It's not as if I haven't already said why I think DDD is scum, is it? Why are you defending him when he's just said something and not backed it up with anything?

ask yourself why there would be two L-1 wagons on D1, both on townies, and nobody switching for ages until GL delivered the hammer.

i think this probably happens a lot more than you think it does. a couple possible reasons off the top of my head:
-scum didn't want to look guilty for hammer
-scum felt like they couldn't switch in a way that would seem natural
-there's no real reason to have preferred one town lynch over the other
-scum were busy doing other things
-lion is scum who got tired of waiting despite the above reasons
-people are rarely sensible

Good points, especially the last one

In post 1139, JaeReed wrote:You know my opinion about that. Stop trying to get me to switch off DDD.

Yeah, that was my thought too upon reading his post.

In post 1147, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Why do you care what Jae thinks?

Because he wants Jae to unvote you and go after me, duh.