newbie 1956 - car seat headrest [we gotta go back]

[eth0s]

I have many times in my life used "I would never do x as scum and have never done so before" to spew myself town in games because there's so many different Xs that you can do your first time of.
Everyone is eventually going to do that. You're arguing something that you're also essentially arguing that it clears you as town.

Every self meta argument I have made is not based simply off of "I would not do this thing!!!" but is rather based off of "I don't do this thing usually and here's why: xyz"

As in, arguments to superior methods of playing the game, not simply I do not do this thing as one alignment but I do as the other because that's perfect breeding ground for burning meta.

I'm not burning meta. But you already know that. In fact I hardly have any sort of reliable meta as my play shifts dramatically from game to game but that town self-vote is a constant truth to my games so far.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why is it a constant truth to your games so far?

Before you can argue anything meaningful from it, you have to explain why you never selfvote as scum and why you do it as town.

There's multiple steps here, not just one.

[eth0s]

The funny thing is I don't think there's a real reason I haven't done it as scum. And I did re-read my old scum games since my first comment on the self-vote thing way earlier in this game. I haven't done it ever. Not since I came back or before. But Like I said, I don't ever think it's been a conscious decision of mine to not self-vote in scum games but rather something that I just don't even consider out of paranoia of the gambit going badly. Admittedly that actually gives pretty good reasoning for me to abort mission this game and quickhammer nmsa if I'm scum but I've already typed it out so why bother deleting it at this point?

[eth0s]

If/when this 1v1 ever dies down I would like to talk to you about something but I don't really find it to be a particularly time to do so right now. Just posting this to remind me/you later.

[RadiantCowbells]

Being consciously aware that it's something that you've never done as scum and being able to use it in your defense later is in and of itself enough reason to do it as scum for the first time.

[eth0s]

Being consciously aware that it's something that you've never done as scum and being able to use it in your defense later is in and of itself enough reason to do it as scum for the first time.

yes

[eth0s]

awkward silence

[eth0s]

that moment when you realize you've been arguing with a stranger on the internet for a dedicated 3 hours

[RadiantCowbells]

I no longer have anything to respond to so I'm not going to bloat the thread further and increase the odds of anyone not reading what was said.

that moment when you realize you've been arguing with a stranger on the internet for a dedicated 3 hours

I went to MafiaScum.net and all I got was 3 hours of fighting with RadiantCowbells.

[eth0s]

Well um, yeah. Good talk then. Same time tomorrow?

[RadiantCowbells]

In an ideal world, I wouldn't have to come back and post tomorrow, but I suspect that this will have to happen.

[RadiantCowbells]

From what I've read of other newbie games on this site, meta was brought up in conversation a lot.

I find that a little strange, seeing as Newbie queue is usually a place where people don't have much in the way of meta (unless of course they have prior experience from other sites, like you have). Not meaning to say you've done anything wrong, but usually there's no obligation to show people your meta unless someone asks you to.

Also as a quick tip to all the newbies, having an avatar greatly helps other players quickly see who is posting what. Please get one if possible ^^

This is random and not game related but I tried joining GTKAS a few days ago and I still haven’t been let in.

That might be because you don't seem to have 100 posts yet.

btw, Egix would have coached Geyde about the self meta thing in PT, not in thread.

[eth0s]

In an ideal world, I wouldn't have to come back and post tomorrow, but I suspect that this will have to happen.

why do you want me quicklynched

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm tired, man.

[eth0s]

From what I've read of other newbie games on this site, meta was brought up in conversation a lot.

I find that a little strange, seeing as Newbie queue is usually a place where people don't have much in the way of meta (unless of course they have prior experience from other sites, like you have). Not meaning to say you've done anything wrong, but usually there's no obligation to show people your meta unless someone asks you to.

Also as a quick tip to all the newbies, having an avatar greatly helps other players quickly see who is posting what. Please get one if possible ^^

This is random and not game related but I tried joining GTKAS a few days ago and I still haven’t been let in.

That might be because you don't seem to have 100 posts yet.

btw, Egix would have coached Geyde about the self meta thing in PT, not in thread.

thats almost compelling but it was asked in thread so answering in thread can be beneficial for scum for the exact opposite reasoning that you've given.

[RadiantCowbells]

thats almost compelling but it was asked in thread so answering in thread can be beneficial for scum for the exact opposite reasoning that you've given.

Not the kind of thing early SvS usually interact about.

[eth0s]

Well you've been giving egix pointers so

[RadiantCowbells]

Not about stuff like that. About ~broader strategical concerns~. I rarely coach people about low-mid level play like faking associatives and shit because I think that everyone will figure that out eventually but even some really strong scum players who have played for a very long time have no clue in hell how to plan a gamestate for their win and often end up getting cornered by their own early mistakes.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's not that I'm the towniest poster. My posting isn't super towny as scum. There's way better people at that.
I'm just the smartest. I know exactly what to do and when to do it the vast majority of the time and make by far the best scum game plans that let me win really hard games.

That's how I barely had to play in Venge and still had an 100% guaranteed path to endgame. I had the exact lynch order and venges planned out from the get go.
It's easy to win when you have all the cards.

[eth0s]

Well then it makes sense that you would take geyde's slot because he has been extra aware of interactions and would beyond a shadow of a doubt have gone out of his way to make believable TvS interactions with his scumbuddy

[RadiantCowbells]

Well then it makes sense that you would take geyde's slot because he has been extra aware of interactions and would beyond a shadow of a doubt have gone out of his way to make believable TvS interactions with his scumbuddy

This is a really stupid argument.
Even if Geyde wanted to seem nonchalant about his partner being at L-1, doesn't mean that he would be able to feign nonchalance about his partner being at L-1.
There would have been some sign that at the very least I would have seen. But I don't want to argue that I'm town based on this because scum can't fairly respond to it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like if this were a non newbie I would spam the game til the cows come home that Geyde was obviously town, I obviously read the game, and based on BoP I had to have taken a town slot if I read.
But, that doesn't seem like the kind of ~newer player experience~ that I want to create so I'm not doing that. Aren't you thankful, etc. I'm still tired of all of this!

[eth0s]

Assuming you've told the truth about reading the game before joining (I'm more of the opinion that you read geyde's posts heavily and somewhat skimmed the rest). I could see you misreading geyde as town here if you really don't like replacing into games as scum. And I could also see you initially having misread jam as the second scum. I think you were surprised by your role PM and initially planned to make jam your top SR because that was genuine and a good jumping off point. The fact that I came in and butted horns with you was just a situation you really had no choice but to fight given the gamestate and my obvtown status.

[RadiantCowbells]

Assuming you've told the truth about reading the game before joining (I'm more of the opinion that you read geyde's posts heavily and somewhat skimmed the rest). I could see you misreading geyde as town here if you really don't like replacing into games as scum. And I could also see you initially having misread jam as the second scum. I think you were surprised by your role PM and initially planned to make jam your top SR because that was genuine and a good jumping off point. The fact that I came in and butted horns with you was just a situation you really had no choice but to fight given the gamestate and my obvtown status.

You're essentially claiming you think that it's more likely that I misread Geyde than you as town are misreading me.
I think that's an extremely arrogant position to hold if you're town.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm over this at this point. I am actually

100%

sure that RC is scum here and I don't think I've ever even said that about someone before.

I'm only saying this so I can brag about it in post game regardless of the outcome.

etc.