Bingle does not wish to build Hectic a home.
"Hectic is the one who got Sujimichi sick. What we need to make Hectic is not a home but a QUARANTINE. It is medically necessary. Otherwise, we could all get sick too." Steady fumes of light grey smoke puff from Bingle's crater, a sign it is thinking.
"Maybe we could do something like the arts and crafts game, but make him a muzzle and a headcone. And a clamp for his tail, for good measure. If we wait about a week, he should be better again, then we can play."
Bingle stamps its tiny feet, hoping the pattering sound will make it more convincing.
With nine alive, it takes five to make a decision. (expired on 2020-02-14 20:00:00). Replacement Key
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:58 am
by popsofctown
Votecount in the above post soon. I'm sorry I went so long without one.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:30 am
by Farkran
In post 1122, Amrun wrote:I mean I just basically disagree with your conclusions since I townread the people in question.
So... you think my case is correct, but the conclusion is wrong because you townread those people - i assume you townread them for a reasoning stronger than mine, which could be, say, not enough room for scum (since you sfumread almidia more than them), or they have displayed a townier mindset elsewhere?
Can you lead me to understand your reasons, which i am evidently missing?
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:38 am
by Amrun
Sorry if I was unclear, since I do understand how you read that post - I disagree with a number of your reasonings as well, such as Replica townreading Chara for scumreading, which I think is fairly obviously untrue. You make a few good points and a few bad points and I ultimately disagree with your conclusion.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:53 am
by Amrun
I finally bother yo put my alimdia scumread to words and literally no one has a single word to say about it?
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:41 am
by Hectic
In post 1117, Farkran wrote:To provide a concrete example, i had to reread Hectic's ISO a couple times before realizing that his progression on Chara was scum indicative. Why did i re-read Hectic specifically and not another player? Because i was skeptical about Hectic behavior during the end of d1, specifically starting from his interactions towards Chara. Then, the d2 post where he promotes a spare on its slot rang another bell to me, that resonated with his previous d1 post where he voted Chara. I went back and checked, and found out that the first fight vote wasn't particularly off tonewise or contentwise - but when Hectic enters d2 promoting a spare on Chara, i asked myself what was the purpose of that. How could it be a genuine scumread? Why would hectic place a pretty much vanity FIGHT vote on Chara for so little reason, when he was strong on his own spare (and ultimately on sparing suji too)? Why does Hectic enter d2 with a preference for the 4-spared route and includes Chara in it, after what happend there? I thought of one possible reason: distancing. And that's the second bell that alarmed me: why isn't Chara AT LEAST a bit paranoid of this, instead introducing itself by healing hectic? Why didn't it ask Hectic for an explanation? That is, because Chara accepted the distance put between them as a good thing. That's what led me to think they are the most plausible scumteam right now. Everything that i can think of right now would match this theory. This does not mean it's 100% correct, but i do want to pursue it, engage more with the people involved (nothing from Chara made me change my mind, though), and possibly get a flip to learn more.
Farkran pal.
why does loser!Chara unvote loser!me yesterday while I'm on L-1 from being SPARED (iirc)?
y'know, what's the purpose of longing out the SPARE on me?
and why does loser!me ask Suji not to hammer?
i wanted to hear from the two replacements so i asked Suji to not hammer.
admittedly, i'm been putting off rereading you and the EoD yesterday because it's a lot, and i mean a lot to go through.
like, the page number this game is relatively short, but the posts are
thick
.
but tomorrow i'll hopefully put some time aside an explain my Chara townread based on her EoD actions, and i'll have another look at you.
hopefully not another broken promise.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:04 pm
by Replica
Am pretty busy today, will try to stop in tomorrow.
I've been trying to keep my mind off the game so that I can take a fresh view looking at ISOs, real life has cooperated so we'll see if it pays off
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:13 pm
by Bingle
In post 1129, Amrun wrote:I finally bother yo put my alimdia scumread to words and literally no one has a single word to say about it?
Maybe try words that aren’t “I wanna policy lynch Bingle for not tryharding”.
Like, we’re talking about 1108 here, right? Cause I see a weak AF meta case that doesn’t even come across as something am believes on someone who apparently wasn’t around, followed by “Bingle wouldn’t replace in if he was busy.”
How is that not a shitty policy lynch?
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:43 pm
by Bingle
@1130: is there a reason to townread you that doesn’t boil down to “I was being townread at some point”?
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:48 pm
by Psyche
you've just moved from saying's amrun's 1108 case is just her advocating for a policy lynch on you for not tryharding...to acknowledging that she actually spent
most
of the case (the two largest of three paragraphs!) focused on alimdia that wasn't policy lynch advocacy
Like, we’re talking about 1108 here, right? Cause I see a weak AF meta case that doesn’t even come across as something am believes on someone who apparently wasn’t around, followed by “Bingle wouldn’t replace in if he was busy.”
How is that not a shitty policy lynch?
No, my reasons for wanting to lynch the slot all have to do with alimdia. It is not a meta case, though I did mention another game. My main problem with alimdia is that while they did post content, they went about it in a way that came off to me as an effort to post content rather than an effort to scumhunt. They tried to redirect the town to pay negative attention to the Pine slot without explicitly scumread that slot. This is all very easily explainable from a scum perspective. At the time, I was more concerned with other players but I had my eye there to see how it developed. But then alimdia dropped off and obviously had real life going on so it wasn’t possible to question them.
I was hoping you’d improve the slot, and help me with my read, but instead you’re actively anti-participating so that I can’t get much off of you.
This is a basic restating of my previous post since apparently it was unclear. I think Bingle just didn’t read closely because he didn’t care, though.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:51 pm
by Psyche
(and even if you pretend that the third paragraph is the
whole
case as your 1132 does, "bingle wouldnt replace in if he were busy" is very much a mindset-based case, not policy lynch advocacy)
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:00 pm
by Farkran
In post 1128, Amrun wrote:Sorry if I was unclear, since I do understand how you read that post - I disagree with a number of your reasonings as well, such as Replica townreading Chara for scumreading, which I think is fairly obviously untrue. You make a few good points and a few bad points and I ultimately disagree with your conclusion.
That was my interpretation of what happened at the moment of writing the post. I have, at least partially, reconsidered how Replica was involved into it. I'd still like to hear your towncases of Hectic and Chara, up to date with d2 content.
In post 1129, Amrun wrote:I finally bother yo put my alimdia scumread to words and literally no one has a single word to say about it?
I didn't like Bingle's recent posting and his Hectic vote to be fair, but without a flip i'm not making much of it. I would have him above the null line, but that's mainly because i wish to explore alternatives first, and because i think we can get more out of his slot. I know town!Bingle can produce good content as town, even when not particularly interested in the game he's playing. Still referring to the cult game modded by Kerset, for the record. As for almidia, i wasn't scumreading him before he went MIA and replaced out. I wouldn't be satisfied to compromise on his lynch today, there are far better names i can think of, and i believe those reads can be refined before day end by talking more about them (this is mostly wrt hectic/chara and to a lesser extent replica/psyche). I also want to hear what Nacho has to say, he is also a townlean of mine that i think could contribute to the current discussion.
In post 1117, Farkran wrote:To provide a concrete example, i had to reread Hectic's ISO a couple times before realizing that his progression on Chara was scum indicative. Why did i re-read Hectic specifically and not another player? Because i was skeptical about Hectic behavior during the end of d1, specifically starting from his interactions towards Chara. Then, the d2 post where he promotes a spare on its slot rang another bell to me, that resonated with his previous d1 post where he voted Chara. I went back and checked, and found out that the first fight vote wasn't particularly off tonewise or contentwise - but when Hectic enters d2 promoting a spare on Chara, i asked myself what was the purpose of that. How could it be a genuine scumread? Why would hectic place a pretty much vanity FIGHT vote on Chara for so little reason, when he was strong on his own spare (and ultimately on sparing suji too)? Why does Hectic enter d2 with a preference for the 4-spared route and includes Chara in it, after what happend there? I thought of one possible reason: distancing. And that's the second bell that alarmed me: why isn't Chara AT LEAST a bit paranoid of this, instead introducing itself by healing hectic? Why didn't it ask Hectic for an explanation? That is, because Chara accepted the distance put between them as a good thing. That's what led me to think they are the most plausible scumteam right now. Everything that i can think of right now would match this theory. This does not mean it's 100% correct, but i do want to pursue it, engage more with the people involved (nothing from Chara made me change my mind, though), and possibly get a flip to learn more.
Farkran pal.
why does loser!Chara unvote loser!me yesterday while I'm on L-1 from being SPARED (iirc)?
y'know, what's the purpose of longing out the SPARE on me?
and why does loser!me ask Suji not to hammer?
i wanted to hear from the two replacements so i asked Suji to not hammer.
admittedly, i'm been putting off rereading you and the EoD yesterday because it's a lot, and i mean a lot to go through.
like, the page number this game is relatively short, but the posts are
thick
.
but tomorrow i'll hopefully put some time aside an explain my Chara townread based on her EoD actions, and i'll have another look at you.
hopefully not another broken promise.
I have already explained quite in detail about why scum!Chara unvotes scum!Hectic and why scum!Hectic wants to extend the day. It's in my late ISO, see my exchange with Chara around post ~1100 (give or take a few). My main case, however, is for you as my main scumread and Chara as your partner. What i would like to hear from you is:
1. What made you scumread Chara when it unvoted you in late d1. It was you who chose to extend the day, why would you go as far as to cast a vanity FIGHT vote on Chara for sparing Replica in your stead? It's weird, almost like you already savored the spare on you but then regret not grabbing it when you had the opportunity to. Chara backpedaling using your publicly displayed regret as a reason to townread you is also quite weird, but we're still in the realm of the acceptable here.
2. What made you reconsider Chara so much as to include it in your 4-spared route today? It really, really seems to me that your whole behavior around Chara is based on how Chara read you.
And finally - but i guess you will not answer this - i am very concerned about how Chara itself reacted to this really unusual progression toward it. Chara should have questioned you about your sudden and significant change of mind. At least develop a little, sane amount of paranoia towards your slot. Instead, it just entered d2 healing you. Without saying a word.
(5-posts were made before this)
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:06 pm
by Psyche
alimdia's iso looked like someone going through the motions, generating the rough appearance of scumhunting-focused content but never really signaling real effort/desire toward that end.
blinkle's looks like someone deliberately assembling a "too scum" defense — dude somehow found a way unconvincingly fake
disengagement
from the game
also i wanna point out with the momentary supposition that bingle is town — it's not day 5 with 200+ pages. pops would have found a replacement for alimdea within several days. the idea that he was desperate and was better off filling the slot with someone openly uninterested in the game instead of waiting for someone with the time and energy come by is just bizarre and speaks to savior complex on bingle's part (that doesn't suit his ingame style here either!).
I mean, pops never even made a post in the replacements thread!
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:20 pm
by Amrun
In post 1141, Psyche wrote:alimdia's iso looked like someone going through the motions, generating the rough appearance of scumhunting-focused content but never really signaling real effort/desire toward that end.
blinkle's looks like someone deliberately assembling a "too scum" defense — dude somehow found a way unconvincingly fake
disengagement
from the game
also i wanna point out with the momentary supposition that bingle is town — it's not day 5 with 200+ pages. pops would have found a replacement for alimdea within several days. the idea that he was desperate and was better off filling the slot with someone openly uninterested in the game instead of waiting for someone with the time and energy come by is just bizarre and speaks to savior complex on bingle's part (that doesn't suit his ingame style here either!).
I mean, pops never even made a post in the replacements thread!
100 x all of this.
Psyche gets it.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:25 pm
by Bingle
In post 1137, Psyche wrote:you've just moved from saying's amrun's 1108 case is just her advocating for a policy lynch on you for not tryharding...to acknowledging that she actually spent
most
of the case (the two largest of three paragraphs!)
focused on alimdia that wasn't policy lynch advocacy
I’ll bite. What part of her case that isn’t “I want to policy lynch jingle” am I supposed to be able to engage over?
How is wanting to lynch me on the basis that I’m not going back to read the rest of the game and am going to devote significantly less effort to this game than I usually do as either alignment not policy?
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:31 pm
by Amrun
@Farkran:
Hectic deciding to reconsider his stance on Chara I think has very little scum motivation UNLESS they’re scum together. I understand that is your position, but nevertheless. I don’t think Chara would have unvoted Hectic when he was close to being spared if that was the case.
My Chara read is very simple: very rarely do I mind meld with someone that much and they turn out to be scum. VERY rarely.
For that same reason, I have firmed up a townread on Psyche as well due to recent posting.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:32 pm
by Farkran
WRT Almidia/Bingle, i also got the impression that Amrun is scumreading the slot mostly because of Almidia, not because of Bingle. Bingle just happens to be very unhelpful towards his own cause, and i am failing to understand why - unless Amrun is actually correct, but that would leave me with a disarray of reads and with a gamestate that i cannot comprehend. Besides, as i said, i don't think Almidia was particularly scummy. I just skimmed his ISO again, but every time i do i stumble upon the multipost readlist which i still kinda agree with. This may be agreement bias, but that's as true as Amrun could be disagreement-biasing herself towards Almidia.
To clarify, post 294 still reflects a lot of my current thoughts. Post 358 is exactly how i felt about hectic when i replaced in - he was not a scummy slot, but he wasn't worthy of all the townreads he got either - and besides, i would also agree with almidia that fighting is still strictly better than sparing, but we've beaten that horse enough.
Then... he went V/LA, came back just to spare sujimichi (completely NAI at that point in time), promised to deliver content but instead replaced out. Bingle replacing in is... very anticlimatic.
(again, 5-posts preview at the time of submitting this)
In post 1137, Psyche wrote:you've just moved from saying's amrun's 1108 case is just her advocating for a policy lynch on you for not tryharding...to acknowledging that she actually spent
most
of the case (the two largest of three paragraphs!)
focused on alimdia that wasn't policy lynch advocacy
I’ll bite. What part of her case that isn’t “I want to policy lynch jingle” am I supposed to be able to engage over?
How is wanting to lynch me on the basis that I’m not going back to read the rest of the game and am going to devote significantly less effort to this game than I usually do as either alignment not policy?
I didn’t expect you to engage in my opinions about alimdia. “Not engaging” is a far cry from what you were doing, which was erasing all of my read on alimdia and trying to frame my vote on you as an attempt to policy lynch you personally.
You, your existence, and your play, are NOT the basis for my vote being on you. Nothing about it. I was trying to fight alimdia at the end of the day yesterday and spared Sujimichi when I failed to convince anyone. YOU WERE NOT YET A PLAYER IN THE GAME.
Your replacing in has made me dislike the slot more because you are purposefully choosing not to play in a gamestate where I think that makes very little sense, and because you post revisionist things like the post I am replying to.
Trying to lynch a slot you have a scumread on will never be a policy lynch.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:36 pm
by Bingle
I find the insinuation that I’m lying about RL across the site for an advantage in this game pretty insulting when that was the a) something that was made public before I replaced in and b) actually the subject of the most recent momo ban.
Pops asked me to replace in. I told pops I was busy and would have to go vla relatively soon, but if she needed me I could fill the slot. I was sent the role pm. Insisting otherwise is calling me a cheater.
If you don’t want to deal with that, fine. But don’t try to dress a pig in a suit and call it a duke. It’s a policy lynch.
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:39 pm
by Amrun
In post 1147, Bingle wrote:I find the insinuation that I’m lying about RL across the site for an advantage in this game pretty insulting when that was the a) something that was made public before I replaced in and b) actually the subject of the most recent momo ban.
Pops asked me to replace in. I told pops I was busy and would have to go vla relatively soon, but if she needed me I could fill the slot. I was sent the role pm. Insisting otherwise is calling me a cheater.
If you don’t want to deal with that, fine. But don’t try to dress a pig in a suit and call it a duke. It’s a policy lynch.
Ok, fine. I’m not trying to say you’re not busy IRL.
I am very comfortable saying if you were, you shouldn’t have replaced in. However, that’s NAI.
I don’t know what else to say to make you understand the basic fact that I have been openly and publicly scumreading your slot since before you inhabited it, and my desire to lynch it has very little to do with you at all. It is not a policy lynch or anything close to it. Trying to discredit it as one is the only truly scummy thing YOU have done since you replaced in.
In post 1137, Psyche wrote:you've just moved from saying's amrun's 1108 case is just her advocating for a policy lynch on you for not tryharding...to acknowledging that she actually spent
most
of the case (the two largest of three paragraphs!)
focused on alimdia that wasn't policy lynch advocacy
I’ll bite. What part of her case that isn’t “I want to policy lynch jingle” am I supposed to be able to engage over?
How is wanting to lynch me on the basis that I’m not going back to read the rest of the game and am going to devote significantly less effort to this game than I usually do as either alignment not policy?
i barely ever engage with cases on me; i just object to pretending a case is something other than what it is