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In post 1126, Klick wrote:I don't have time right now for a big writeup. But there isn't much lost by leaving him alive for now if he's scum, whereas if he's town lynching him would obviously be bad because we'd be losing a strong PR.

Bob is very invested in looking for any possible wagon that isn't Una/gobble.

In post 1122, bob3141 wrote:I would want to leave prana till tommorrow and see what he claims his results are.

More flips will leave us better informed of how likely his role is


If he is scum i would rather pick out for today someone who could be his partner

In post 957, Klick wrote:

In post 878, notscience wrote:One trend from Cooldog’s gameplay I’ve noticed thus far (149) is it seems very integral on optimal townplay- which is both good and bad. On the one hand it makes his life (if scum) harder, but it allows pretty easy reads to hide behind too.

I feel like CooLDoG is on another planet when it comes to his view of optimal town play. I do feel like his perception of the game is complex enough that it's probably not fake though. His Hoopla read is easy, but some of his peripheral comments have felt genuine (see 602 and my thoughts on it earlier).

I feel like I have the same 'optimal play' criticism of AGar though. And reading further into your read-through you seem to feel the same way. Except I don't see the same depth of play from AGar that I do from CooLDoG.

I don't really understand your Hiraki townread beyond 'I agree with what he's saying a lot'. You mention 411, but I don't think I agree that that couldn't come from scum. It was approached from a removed perspective similarly to how Hoopla presented it, almost academically, and feels a bit like busy work to me. From someone who has continually said 'why does this matter?' I question why he felt the need to go in-depth at that particular moment. The motives of the post itself were to question why my slot was read as town, which for obvious reasons doesn't inspire me with confidence.

I'd be fine-ish with a Prana wagon starting up. I have problems with the amount of words he's produced versus the actual content he's provided. I do feel like this slot could sort itself given time though, and he's BoP'd himself into giving us more in later days. Bellaphant (my IRL fiancee) plays almost identically to this, so that could be making me give him the benefit of the doubt. But I think there are better options for a lynch today.

I don't agree with your Una townread. Equally, I don't see that much to respond to? This read doesn't feel concrete. I think it's possible that you're seeing 'quirky' and reading 'genuine' into it. It's worth noting that a lot of what you wind up townreading Una for is his interaction with gobble (and I thought I had a point in pointing this out, but I can no longer remember why... Oh well, I'll leave it and maybe you'll get something from it?)

It seems like those are our main points of contention? Neither of us seems to feel super strongly about Battle Mage, though we lean different ways.

In post 1129, Hoopla wrote:

In post 1122, bob3141 wrote:I would want to leave prana till tommorrow and see what he claims his results are.

More flips will leave us better informed of how likely his role is


If he is scum i would rather pick out for today someone who could be his partner

hypothetical situation:

- we don't lynch prana, and mislynch elsewhere
- random townie dies N1 (say me, for example)
- on D2, prana-scum claims he watched some other townie visit me N1
- mislynch townie D2

all of a sudden, you've let scum dodge two mislynches, because the town didn't have the cajones to make a tough choice on D1

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the primary utility of an investigation role is that its hidden and can collect results. its been exposed - if it is town, it has little to no value now.

another possibility: what if he's town and scum has a RB and prana claims no results? that would look awfully suspicious on D2 and we end up mislynching then in an ill-fated game of wifom, when we should be dealing with it today.

In post 1125, notscience wrote:no bob gyps newbtown hes been doing stuff like that all game hes obsessed with game theory

In post 1131, bob3141 wrote:but if its town then scum will resolve the slot for us. Scum cant afford not to kill a watcher.

And if its scum it will give us associations

In post 1132, Hoopla wrote:people should be judging prana based on how likely a mod is it to give a player a watcher in today's climate vs. how often scum like prana would fakeclaim watcher

In post 1132, Hoopla wrote:IF YOU WANT TO LYNCH SCUM TODAY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LYNCH A PR CLAIM. DO YOU THINK IF WE RUN UP SOMEONE ELSE, SCUM WILL JUST ROLL OVER AND CLAIM VT AND LET YOU LYNCH THEM?