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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:06 pm
by I Keep Siteflaking
In post 876, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 870, Fun and Games wrote:
Both of us have read the game multiple times.
We understand the reasoning behind the Pine push. We just think it's really bad.
Like you think scum purposefully put +1 Knowledge on their OWN player on N0 so that he could more easily activate labs right?
The simplest counterpoint to this theory is that stats are public knowledge and it doesn't make sense to sacrifice a scum-player just to activate a lab.
More importantly -
labs do not matter this early in the game
There are currently at least 8-9 town players (3-4 scum) and only TWO labs activated - which means the bad guys are nowhere close to fulfilling their lab activation victory condition.
This means we have plenty of time to de-activate these activated labs - at least a few night-phases- though ideally we would just kill the bad guys and win the game that way. The best chance the town has to de-activate these labs is to have high knowledge players try to deactivate labs - so shouldn't we at least give Pine a chance to de-activate these labs instead of just yeeting him? If he fails like multiple times then your case for yeeting him gets much better.
I'm not solely arguing scum put knowledge on themselves because it benefits them. I'm saying it because two labs being activated points to that idea. The whole meat of this is entirely based around the known events of the game, where Pine got knowledge n0 and then 2 labs got activated n1. Pine very well could have the same role (aka career, just to lean on game terminology for a second) I do, which would have allowed him to activate a lab for free once in addition to still being able to use a night action through speed to do it. Pine also just hasn't been contributing, and when he's this low contribution as town I generally see him replace out or at least be upfront about it being a problem. So there's a non-mechanical reasoning for Pine to be scum.
Now, let's talk hypotheticals off of Pine's flip. If he flips with my Career (which I expect should show up in the flip despite full role text not) then we can treat my theory as effectively confirmed. If he flips as scum with a different role, then it says 2 things: that scum probably did end up using two standard night actions to activate those labs, and that it probably takes a relatively low roll to get. If he flips town we at least have a ton of wagon information to analyze from today and maybe yesterday. So I think yeeting him today is at the very least a strongly informative move.
As for whether labs matter, they ALWAYS matter. If we can destroy the labs now, they won't be around later, and I imagine there's a good chance there won't be infinite labs.
In post 7, lilith2013 wrote:Each player's life story and background provides them with a unique special ability called a Career, which is not linked to their alignment. (See sample role PM below.)
I am taking bets. How much are you willing to bet that Pine has the same Career as you do?
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:25 pm
by I Keep Siteflaking
This was mechanical list. Not read list.
In post 897, SirCakez wrote:
no problem with an ABR vote but why aren't you pushing me if I'm your top SR?
1) I am not sure enough to push.
2) I wanted to join a 2nd leading wagon, to try to derail Pine's wagon. It creates some neat associations with Pine's slot I can use to make non-mechanical reads after some flips.
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 12:00 am
by lilith2013
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Gamma Emerald | Nosferatu | EL-6 | 3 | 2 | 4 | Gamma Emerald |
SirCakez | None | EL-7 | 2 | 3 | 3 | SirCakez |
CreativeMod1 | None | EL-7 | 3 | 3 | 3 | CreativeMod1 |
Albert B. Rampage | Fun and Games, Ydrasse, I Keep Siteflaking | EL-4 | 3 | 3 | 3 | Albert B. Rampage |
Pine | CreativeMod1 | EL-6 | 3 | 3 | 4 | Pine |
Bingle | PenguinPower, JohnnyFarrar | EL-5 | 3 | 3 | 3 | Bingle |
Nosferatu | None | EL-7 | 3 | 3 | 4 | Nosferatu |
I Keep Siteflaking | None | EL-7 | 3 | 3 | 3 | I Keep Siteflaking |
PenguinPower | SirCakez | EL-6 | 3 | 3 | 3 | PenguinPower |
Fun and Games | None | EL-7 | 3 | 3 | 3 | Fun and Games |
Ydrasse | Bingle, Albert B. Rampage | EL-5 | 3 | 3 | 3 | Ydrasse |
JohnnyFarrar | None | EL-7 | 3 | 3 | 3 | JohnnyFarrar |
Not Voting | Pine, Gamma Emerald |
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.
Deadline: (expired on 2020-10-11 20:28:04) paused at 2 days, 4 hours |
D:
pagetops: Lilith 19 | penguin 10 | ABR 4 | johnnyf 3 | cm1 2 | gamma 2 | gb 1 | fun & games 1 | nosferatu 1 | bingle 1 | iks 1 |
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 12:02 am
by lilith2013
Chara replaces Pine. Thank you!
Now searching for a replacement for Ydrasse. Deadline remains paused at 2 days, 4 hours while I search for a replacement.
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 12:44 am
by I Keep Siteflaking
Hydrae are scary:
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:47 am
by SirCakez
In post 1120, JohnnyFarrar wrote:@Cakey I didn't mean "by bad do you mean scummy", but rather "do you think its not possible for town to be bad"
ofc it's possible for town to be bad but I don't think Penguin is that kind of bad
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:35 am
by Bingle
Pocketing is when you do an action designed to make someone like or trust you, particularly when that action isn't particularly AI.
In this case, I have a slight bias towards townreading what I see as legitimate scumreads on me and PP has a paranoia of my scumplay that would lend credence to the idea that I own a mind control device. Which I'm not saying I don't, but I don't use that, the weather controlling machine, or the satellite mounted death rays for an advantage in mafia. I do tend to twirl my mustache while tying players to train tracks though, so I at least partially conform to the stereotypes.
Mostly, though, it was a joke, because that's what I see the wagon on me as deserving.
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:37 am
by Bingle
S tier not Pine. Chara, I have a strange rash, would you mind giving me a medical opinion if I link a picture?
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:45 am
by Chara
i haven't experienced whiplash like the kind i got from that post in a while.
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:48 am
by Chara
i plan to catch up but it won't be today, it's thanksgiving, and the gods have demanded i socialize.
i didn't expect i'd have to channel Inception to understand this setup but here we are.
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:05 am
by JohnnyFarrar
Welcome Chara. New blood will make this place feel less haunted i think
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:31 am
by Bingle
Until it murders us all.
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:28 am
by I Keep Siteflaking
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:55 am
by Gamma Emerald
Oh now I see what the deal is with Ydrasse’s role
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:57 am
by Gamma Emerald
I think it’s possible. Are you trying to imply “unique” means exclusive?
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 8:58 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1126, I Keep Siteflaking wrote:
This was mechanical list. Not read list.
In post 897, SirCakez wrote:
no problem with an ABR vote but why aren't you pushing me if I'm your top SR?
1) I am not sure enough to push.
2) I wanted to join a 2nd leading wagon, to try to derail Pine's wagon. It creates some neat associations with Pine's slot I can use to make non-mechanical reads after some flips.
Interesting word choice
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:13 am
by Chara
it's okay, i've had so so much wine.
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:15 am
by Chara
hello Gamma and Bingle and whoever else i know who's on this list, it's lovely to see you.
1126 is interesting. do you townread this slot?
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:32 am
by I Keep Siteflaking
That is how I understand it.
https://town-of-salem.fandom.com/wiki/Unique_Role
@mod
Can two people have same career?
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:41 am
by Chara
i'd read unique to mean unique, normally.
i can see a world where mod does not
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 9:41 am
by JohnnyFarrar
No I dont
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:22 am
by CreativeMod1
Hey Chara, thanks for coming into the game
Look forward to hearing your thoughts on the gamestate and in particular the wagon that was on you
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:33 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1142, Chara wrote:hello Gamma and Bingle and whoever else i know who's on this list, it's lovely to see you.
1126 is interesting. do you townread this slot?
Not really
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:35 am
by Chara
sorry, the question is for siteflaking and by 'this slot' i mean myself
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:45 am
by Gamma Emerald
oh