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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:45 pm
by Nero Cain
I thought xshot roles were refunded if blocked, I swore I've seen that mechanic
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:49 pm
by Almost50
Why would town have a cop and a gunsmith?[/quote]
They both account for 3 investigative shots combined.
P-edit: shit! I messed up the quote.
Last time I mention this, but I NLOODY HATE PHONE POSTING
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:50 pm
by Titus
In post 1124, Nero Cain wrote:
it adds up to 3 shots. While Gamma could fake and maybe him outting himself when he didn't need to maybe points it being fake I don't feel like 2x cop and 1x GS is something so far fetched
I'm not really doubting gamma as a gunsmith. I don't think a non-gs plays the way Gamma does.
My question is if he's a town gunsmith.
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:51 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
I'm still trying to make sense of the intuition I got that Dunn slipped there.
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:52 pm
by Titus
In post 1125, Nero Cain wrote:I thought xshot roles were refunded if blocked, I swore I've seen that mechanic
Not in normals.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=X-Shot
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:52 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
Still stuck there.
How can one be so confident to say that the mafia team were targeting town and not Werewolves?
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:53 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
That's a type of confidence you can only get if you're a werewolf.
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:53 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
Like, which kill would tell you that?
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:54 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 1130, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Still stuck there.
How can one be so confident to say that the mafia team were targeting town and not Werewolves?
Well I've explained it multiple times.
Also, gamma's claim is indeed not town
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:54 pm
by Nero Cain
prob b/c he knew that his faction wasn't trying to kill wolves
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:55 pm
by Nero Cain
VOTE: Dunn
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:58 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
I know but intuition says it wasn't a good POV and I'm not in the headspace to make sense of it but I have a strong gut feeling like that was a slip. How can you be so confident that your PoE is one and the same as the mafia team?
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:59 pm
by Dunnstral
I'm not seeing anyone arguing against the poe with anything substantitive, only fear-mongering
Name names
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:00 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
Who walks into Day 2 with two random dead people declaring that "Oh yeah. That means the mafia team was trying to target town, and not werewolves for sure." I can understand ActionDan, but how can you say that with NDMath?
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:01 pm
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1117, Almost50 wrote: In post 1087, Dunnstral wrote:So since you were allegedly roleblocked, shouldn't you be going after almost50?
Not exactly the question I had in mind, but it'll do. Mine would have been: why didn't Gamma target me rather than Kitty?
I wanted to target someone who seemed likely to be run up the next day to function as a fact-check to their claim. While I had bad vibes from you, you weren't a suspect for reasons that didn't feel like petty beef on some level. Kitty meanwhile actually seemed like someone who might get voted a fair amount.
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:01 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
I'll sleep on it, Dunn.
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:01 pm
by Dunnstral
If it truly matters, ndmath is more like to have been killed by the wolf team just because he agreed with the poe for wolves and could be angled as scum harder than actiondan could, and I think the mafia team is a tad more likely to be aiming at town based on game state
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:03 pm
by Dunnstral
Werewolves don't even have guns in flavor, so gunsmith doesn't make sense as a claim
Even the normal guidelines don't say anything about that.
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:03 pm
by Dunnstral
Oh wait, it makes sense: He's a werewolf gunsmith
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:04 pm
by Dunnstral
In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, PT Cops, Vengefuls, Detectives, Neapolitans, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers.
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:05 pm
by Dunnstral
It would also find the two-shot alignment cop, so that's convenient
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:05 pm
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1120, Titus wrote: In post 1064, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay then.
I'm a 1-shot gunsmith. I crumbed in my opening post
In post 12, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Almost50
Prepare to get greatest plan’ed
Also, my favorite Pokémon Rangers game is Guardian Signs jsyk
Pokemon Rangers = power role, guardian signs = gunsmith
The reason I'd been poking Almost50 about this is that I used a similar means of crumbing as he did in Mini 2041. That's why I dropped that number during Twilight yesterday. I also thought AD crumbed gunsmith himself in that quoted post rather than cop, which is why I am confused by it because he dropped a crumb for a role that he is not but that I am.
I targeted KittyTacky last night and got no result. My current guess is that one of the scumteams has a roleblocker that targeted me.
Why would town have a cop and a gunsmith?
they're both gated though?
and like, my role obviously exists alongside some false positive/negative, that's the exact point of gunsmith
Also, I kept this to myself D1, but I was shitting myself at the though of AD having my role. After what happened between T3 and Elsa, how the hell was I going to explain that we had the same role in a way that satisfied people? And I had AD as a townread even after he crumbed, so it seemed like a total loss. That's why I've been flipping out at his flip, because he crumbed something he wasn't that gave me unwarranted anxiety!!!
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:06 pm
by Dunnstral
And of course, why does one guy get to be a 2-shot alignment cop, but someone else is a 1-shot gunsmith?
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:07 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
I also don't remember you being this visible in Cook's Mini Normal, Dunn. You were town there.
Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:07 pm
by humaneatingmonkey
What changed here?