Open 825 - PYP X/Y: HoS_S [game over!]

[Cat Scratch Fever]

i mean i voted house in 333

so a long time ago with a lot of house posting in between. huge amount of content to change my opinion. theres nothing specific that changed my mind on him just as i mentioned seeing him step up

You placed your vote on House a while ago, but I feel like you were projecting a scumlean there as recently as 1017 (pg. 41) without mentioning the content that swayed your opinion in between. You did mention House in 758, but that was a post reaffirming your vote.

[House]

How... underwhelming.

I should clarify.

i mean i voted house in 333

so a long time ago with a lot of house posting in between. huge amount of content to change my opinion. theres nothing specific that changed my mind on him just as i mentioned seeing him step up

Reading this post sucks from both perspectives.

If scum: weak excuse to townread me that can be overturned with minimal reason; denies town reasons to consider me town. +scum

If town: lazy, uninvested in the game. -town

I can't find a reason to like this post.

[House]

Not a fan of 1123, but that's just a disagreement with logic; not particularly alignment indicative.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah my TR on Manatee is starting to wane :/

[Bee]

if enough people arent reading it the same way i am then im ready to admit my interpretation is wrong

and
VOTE: Enchant

^ Looking at Manatee regarding House, this feels like a more important post than 1017. There was a brief conversation with House and Manatee backs off before going onto Enchant and then retreating a bit.

[Bee]

Not a fan of 1123, but that's just a disagreement with logic; not particularly alignment indicative.

Which part doesn't follow logically? To me, it made sense that a scum!Manatee would have someone who wanted her dead early wagoned and be able to vote there without a lot of scrutiny? It's a lot easier to fake than going on someone else, especially given Midnight's absence.

[House]

wane

I have to be honest Gamma, i was not a fan of 334, and i don't mean because it included a vote on me.

I strongly disagree that Manatee had done anything even remotely town by that point. She was mostly absent until i popped in with a vote on her, them she pounced on me like she saw a vulnerable player.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

if enough people arent reading it the same way i am then im ready to admit my interpretation is wrong

and
VOTE: Enchant

^ Looking at Manatee regarding House, this feels like a more important post than 1017. There was a brief conversation with House and Manatee backs off before going onto Enchant and then retreating a bit.

It's not really clear to me that ManateeGal was townreading House in 1044 or just moved their vote to another scumread with a growing wagon.

[House]

Not a fan of 1123, but that's just a disagreement with logic; not particularly alignment indicative.

Which part doesn't follow logically? To me, it made sense that a scum!Manatee would have someone who wanted her dead early wagoned and be able to vote there without a lot of scrutiny? It's a lot easier to fake than going on someone else, especially given Midnight's absence.

Scum distances & buses.

I've run buddies up as scum early in the day before, because townies always get distracted by the next shiny thing to come along.

[Bee]

if enough people arent reading it the same way i am then im ready to admit my interpretation is wrong

and
VOTE: Enchant

^ Looking at Manatee regarding House, this feels like a more important post than 1017. There was a brief conversation with House and Manatee backs off before going onto Enchant and then retreating a bit.

It's not really clear to me that ManateeGal was townreading House in 1044 or just moved their vote to another scumread with a growing wagon.

Oh, I wasn't talking about it in regards to the townread. I should have been clear.

I think it's more like, there was resistance that was perhaps unexpected and so Manatee just... gives up on that avenue and comes back weaker/unsure? I don't know if that's scum regrouping or just... being unsure though, because it sucks when everyone disagrees and makes you doubt.

[Bee]

Not a fan of 1123, but that's just a disagreement with logic; not particularly alignment indicative.

Which part doesn't follow logically? To me, it made sense that a scum!Manatee would have someone who wanted her dead early wagoned and be able to vote there without a lot of scrutiny? It's a lot easier to fake than going on someone else, especially given Midnight's absence.

Scum distances & buses.

I've run buddies up as scum early in the day before, because townies always get distracted by the next shiny thing to come along.

Do you think Miss Midnight does it in the manner she did? It feels out there to just say "frozen scum, pile on the votes, let's kill."

I think bussing is something that happens early but it doesn't feel like that wagon was one scum on another. It's also a bit on the nose to see your partner not doing anything and go 'frozen', kind of like HH wrt Thor.

[House]

Not a fan of 1123, but that's just a disagreement with logic; not particularly alignment indicative.

Which part doesn't follow logically? To me, it made sense that a scum!Manatee would have someone who wanted her dead early wagoned and be able to vote there without a lot of scrutiny? It's a lot easier to fake than going on someone else, especially given Midnight's absence.

Scum distances & buses.

I've run buddies up as scum early in the day before, because townies always get distracted by the next shiny thing to come along.

Do you think Miss Midnight does it in the manner she did? It feels out there to just say "frozen scum, pile on the votes, let's kill."

I think bussing is something that happens early but it doesn't feel like that wagon was one scum on another. It's also a bit on the nose to see your partner not doing anything and go 'frozen', kind of like HH wrt Thor.

Unless an active scum is frustrated with an inactive buddy and feels there is more value in town cred for pushing the wagon on a scum flip than there is in carrying dead weight.

[Bee]

I don't think Midnight fits the bill of 'active scum'.

[House]

Fair.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

if enough people arent reading it the same way i am then im ready to admit my interpretation is wrong

and
VOTE: Enchant

^ Looking at Manatee regarding House, this feels like a more important post than 1017. There was a brief conversation with House and Manatee backs off before going onto Enchant and then retreating a bit.

It's not really clear to me that ManateeGal was townreading House in 1044 or just moved their vote to another scumread with a growing wagon.

Oh, I wasn't talking about it in regards to the townread. I should have been clear.

I think it's more like, there was resistance that was perhaps unexpected and so Manatee just... gives up on that avenue and comes back weaker/unsure? I don't know if that's scum regrouping or just... being unsure though, because it sucks when everyone disagrees and makes you doubt.

I think that post with the vote on Enchant can go either way (either she was starting to townread House, or just giving up on a House wagon due to loss of support). I just think it's not as valid to say "well my vote on House was back in the #300s and a lot has happened since then" when she was supporting a House wagon more recently than that. Or at least, when she stated a townread on House, it took me by surprise.

[House]

Good posting from Penguin, pretty bad posting from Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma

House, why did you move away from your main on Wake? I thought your playstyle there was quite smooth and buttery

Let's talk about this vote.

VOTE: Thor

MM, what happened between these two posts that made Thor's vote for Gamma worthy of a wagon on Thor?

[House]

I think Thor knows @titus

Interesting that Gamma comments about his suspicion that Thor knows Titus here, but...

I think Thor might be a good wagon. Thor ignoring my reachout is bugging me. He's a big stats guy...until asked to follow up on it.

Yeah it looks like filler

... seems to miss that Titus is quite familiar with Thor here.

[Gamma Emerald]

how is that missing that Titus knows Thor?

[House]

how is that missing that Titus knows Thor?

You don't address her knowledge of his playstyle at all.

(Yes, they do know each other)

[Gamma Emerald]

well I'm just chiming in with my perspective on his posts there

[House]

well I'm just chiming in with my perspective on his posts there

Without noting the familiarity between them in that post.

*shrug*

Just interesting.

[Miss Midnight]

Good posting from Penguin, pretty bad posting from Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma

House, why did you move away from your main on Wake? I thought your playstyle there was quite smooth and buttery

Let's talk about this vote.

VOTE: Thor

MM, what happened between these two posts that made Thor's vote for Gamma worthy of a wagon on Thor?

Just because someone makes some bad posts doesn't mean that someone else can't make a worse vote on the first person. Even if that bad posting from Gamma fully translated into a scumread on him, I could still see someone making a horrible vote on him as also being scummy.

Anyways, gonna try to do a bit of catching up.

[Miss Midnight]

You'll have to excuse me if I eschew the typical style of a full spampost catch up, I think it might double the length of the thread. And that's if I could even get through it before passing out.

[Miss Midnight]

Manatee or Enchant would be better votes

Were you scumreading Thor at any point?
Wanna talk about Thor?

-Harvey

Not really, no... I toyed with the idea briefly,

but he has zero motive as scum to actively attempt to derail my wagon in the way that he did, by posting details about me that he could have sat on as scum

.

If my wagon is derailed, it might land on him or one of his buddies if he's scum, and i don't see him risking that as scum when he's already under suspicion himself.

Think that these kinds of reads (bolded) come a lot more from town than they do scum. Townies have a tendency to townread defenses of themselves, there's a cognitive bias against seeing reasons that someone defending you would be scum. Don't think scum have that same tendency, so think that this is town indicative from House. Probably more so especially given the competing wagon positions of House and Thor, at least at the time of this post.

[Miss Midnight]

Also, yeah. That's how far behind I am, in case it wasn't clear. Back to it.