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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:24 am
by Cat Scratch Fever
In post 11348, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Just like the whole "I was being pocketed, no no that doesn't matter I'm pretty sure I was being pocketed" thing
i'm obviously biased, but I still don't understand how an early null read means Bella wasn't trying to pocket me for the other 80% of the game, especially given the interactions we both had with Klick

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:27 am
by Best Bird
In post 11349, Rad wrote:
In post 11338, Best Bird wrote:
In post 11332, Rad wrote:
In post 11326, Best Bird wrote:VOTE: rad
Yo BB what's your read on Malcolm?
town enough for now....why?
Because I want the guy who's supposedly talking to Ceph in a PT to give his opinion on my scum read? "town enough for now" as the reasoning is so disappointing.

What's Ceph's read on me and Malcolm?
Why does me being in a PT with Ceph impact your view of my opinion of your scum read?

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:28 am
by Cat Scratch Fever
In post 11333, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Rad better not be scum tho, I can only be so wrong
I also think lamenting about how wrong your reads have been here and in are weird reactions to have, since you weren't townreading Bella from a quick skim of your ISO.

You had her in your "willing to lim" pool back in day 1. So you were wrong on Math but you weren't really wrong on Bella per se

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:29 am
by Cat Scratch Fever
In post 11351, Best Bird wrote:Why does me being in a PT with Ceph impact your view of my opinion of your scum read?
I'm curious if Ceph has an updated read on Johnny since the latest flips (or at least the Bella flip)

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:29 am
by JohnnyFarrar
Right, but two hard defenses of scum is a bad hit rate

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:30 am
by JohnnyFarrar
I'd vote me for that

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:30 am
by Rad
In post 11351, Best Bird wrote:
In post 11349, Rad wrote:
In post 11338, Best Bird wrote:
In post 11332, Rad wrote:
In post 11326, Best Bird wrote:VOTE: rad
Yo BB what's your read on Malcolm?
town enough for now....why?
Because I want the guy who's supposedly talking to Ceph in a PT to give his opinion on my scum read? "town enough for now" as the reasoning is so disappointing.

What's Ceph's read on me and Malcolm?
Why does me being in a PT with Ceph impact your view of my opinion of your scum read?
Because town!bb with ceph's opinion matters. I'm not 100% convinced of my Malcolm read and want to know what you and ceph think about him.

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:30 am
by Best Bird
i'll ask

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:33 am
by Off The Hook
In post 11340, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
In post 11337, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Did you think you were playing scummy here too?
I just won a game as scum and I'm not acting much different here. If I'm breaking a rule talking about it I can stop now
is this a scumclaim lol

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:56 am
by butterflies
In post 11329, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
In post 11303, Off The Hook wrote:I'm also now wary of johnny and he knows why. I think he could be scum here : DD
This is coincidentally why I thought pooky scumread me

I Keep going back and forth on it, cuz I trust Nancy's meta reads, but I also think csf could be scum here
Meta reads I’m mindmelding with Pooky on and Bell was another.

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:12 am
by butterflies
In post 10618, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
In post 10605, Dancing Puppets wrote:I’m going to say it’s unlikely they no killed.
Why in the world do you think that
In post 10620, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Because there's 4000 people in this game
In post 10623, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Oh woop
In post 10624, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I read exactly the opposite lol
In post 10625, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Tho in my defense you were being a lil captain obvious there
Hey Johhny, I’ve been wondering about this. If you misread my post then how was I also being Captain Obvious?

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:23 am
by butterflies
In post 11345, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I don't remember if that makes them town or scum but I remember a wooden conversation
Link/quote?

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:02 am
by Best Bird
In post 11353, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 11351, Best Bird wrote:Why does me being in a PT with Ceph impact your view of my opinion of your scum read?
I'm curious if Ceph has an updated read on Johnny since the latest flips (or at least the Bella flip)
He hasn't been following along seriously enough to have a firm opinion, but still thinks Johnny's scum based on his general posting.

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:27 am
by MalcolmTucker
In post 11346, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 11342, MalcolmTucker wrote:Out of interest, who else do you reckon is scum other than Johnny? I liked the case on Johnny early game but struggling to see it following
Math's
elimination.
:neutral: How does Math's elimination rule out Johnny?
Sorry I'm getting confused on who suspected who re scum. Math wasn't really pro-eliminating Johnny - Bella/Johnny was a different story. outlined why. Maybe it's possible I could be underestimating the amount of SvS stuff we've been seeing though? Some of Johnny's more recent posts don't fill me with confidence but I'm also aware I'm struggle to tonally townread them when they post which could be influencing where I'm at.

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:29 am
by MalcolmTucker
In post 4986, Bellaphant wrote:Johnny could very easily be scum . I don't see them making much a thread impact and the only thing that sticks out to me is that they seem to be around to get a few page tops but not massively enagge with anything else. Tbf I basically think the same about mala and I get the vibe that a fair few people are town reading her! Johnny is worse than mala for me because I can tell by his post count that he has content but my mind just slides off the slot.

I just spoke to cat about Dunn. I think Dunn is a player i will always have trouble reading. It worries me that some of my scum reads are based on 'tone', but I don't think it's a big an issue as I think : for example, I'm starting to town read t bone!

With you I read your posts and go 'yes, no, what? Yes...' in the same post. This happened a lot around your corwin stuff. It's odd to me because I find most players, especially the vocal ones in this game, are very straight to the point so it's easier to just follow and then say 'yes/no/that's scummy'.

@frog, I hard town read them in the very early game for meta, the thing I found towny has disappeared so would be down, yeah.
In post 4997, Bellaphant wrote:(more than happy to vote Johnny)
In post 5051, Bellaphant wrote:
In post 5019, Klick wrote:
In post 4806, T-Bone wrote:Okay lads, we can stop trotting out Ceph, Dunn, Johnny, and Math votes, they are all town sorry to say. Please be original.
Accurate!

When did you change your mind back on ceph?

Dunn is probably town, Dunn maybe , Johnny prob scum ceph scum.
In post 7920, Bellaphant wrote:I can see vig on frog, but considering how the black smoke worked I don't think we can 100% rule out third party.

The kills don't do loads to change my reads - although it does amuse me that professor drapions whole reason for me being scum yesterday was that frog was my scum partner and I'm still getting voted by them!

Feel better about Roden and worse about Johnny from their day phase opening.
@CSF - just a selection of posts where Bella was scumreading Johnny. I'm not particularly getting the impression this is a teammate? I get Bella didn't necessarily vote there in the end but by the same token I'd argue a lot of their play was probably quite hedgy and noncommittal looking back.

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:31 am
by JohnnyFarrar
In post 11360, butterflies wrote:
In post 10618, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
In post 10605, Dancing Puppets wrote:I’m going to say it’s unlikely they no killed.
Why in the world do you think that
In post 10620, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Because there's 4000 people in this game
In post 10623, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Oh woop
In post 10624, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I read exactly the opposite lol
In post 10625, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Tho in my defense you were being a lil captain obvious there
Hey Johhny, I’ve been wondering about this. If you misread my post then how was I also being Captain Obvious?
Like in my head what you actually said didn't need to be said, so when I read it I assumed you were saying the opposite, which would have been wild

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:36 am
by JohnnyFarrar
Also Nancy can you either reevaluate or double down on your csf townread for my peace of mind?

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:19 am
by Cytosine and Guanine
In post 11289, Rad wrote:
In post 11288, Cytosine and Guanine wrote:TBH I wouldn't say that I dislike much of what Rad has done except for mainly his and the similarities to his scumgame that BBT has mentioned before.
And the problem with is mainly because I felt like it was shading Roden.
But then Rad seems to justified in saying in that scum!him won't beattacking everybody.
Also, I'm really going to sleep now.
-Guanine
Let's be clear. I'm shading Roden for sure. His 2095 is drastically different than here and I want that known. I doubt he'd even disagree regardless of his alignment this game. town!Roden here is just being complacent due to being mason confirmed. scum!Roden lied about being a mason and is kicked back trying not to stir the pot. Both options are completely different than the 2095 Roden.

I'm also shading Mala for the drastic difference with 2095. I think is reasonable, but I also thought the plan with waiting a day on Bella was reasonable, so whatever. That ties up Drap for the night as well, and if Drap gets targeted and dies, we're stuck with unconfirmed Mala and dead Drap with no way of confirming beyond something silly like BB talks to someone Mala targets... So yeah, it gets convoluted, so maybe a bad plan.

Regarding the similarities BBT pointed out (me turning on him after he suspected me or whatever), explains why that's wrong, but you can look at that and consider it after you've slept.
I see.
Thank you for your explanation.
-Guanine

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:32 am
by JohnnyFarrar
I'm gonna start being annoying now since this is now my only game, I think

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:33 am
by Taly
Johnny
, why admit to being in your scumrange?

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:43 am
by JohnnyFarrar
Honesty is the best policy Taly. How you doin'?

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:49 am
by MalcolmTucker
In post 11369, Taly wrote:
Johnny
, why admit to being in your scumrange?
I thought that was a weird post but does it feel like the type of thing scum would say?

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:50 am
by MalcolmTucker
CSF's responses have been reasonable and measured. Whether that's just town measured who's not panicked about accusations or calculating scum I'm unsure.

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:55 am
by Taly
it be lonely with a PT partner these days :/

i miss
bell's
distrustful disposition and me throwing twerk gifs at him while we bullshitted about desserts.

surprised people called for my PT paraphrase with
bell
and im not getting any follow-up. i felt it was very productive, his townflip is predictable but nobody pushed against me, so incriminating my slot wasn't part of
bell
NK, nor was it because of role because
bell/i
weren't publicly vibing and i dont think a neighbor is a concern over
mason
claims.

so i think
bell
was on top of scum, ill revisit his reads, we largely talked about our townreads before i fell off and we mindmelded very strongly with the other on that front.

BBT
felt genuine when I asked about his interpretation of
Drap's
result on
Bella
and he still dismissed it. I doubt scum does that knowing that they're wrong.

was a reasonable reply from
malcolm
, it didnt sound like a TMI on
ceph
, but on a
cephVtaly
context, i believed i was consensus for majority of the gladiate.

pedit

MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 11369, Taly wrote:
Johnny
, why admit to being in your scumrange?
I thought that was a weird post but does it feel like the type of thing scum would say?
ive said such things as both town and scum, i find the reason is more AI than the action.

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:02 am
by JohnnyFarrar
In post 11373, Taly wrote:surprised people called for my PT paraphrase with bell and im not getting any follow-up. i felt it was very productive, his townflip is predictable but nobody pushed against me, so incriminating my slot wasn't part of bell NK, nor was it because of role because bell/i weren't publicly vibing and i dont think a neighbor is a concern over mason claims.

so i think bell was on top of scum, ill revisit his reads, we largely talked about our townreads before i fell off and we mindmelded very strongly with the other on that front.
I quite like this line of thinking, I'm making a PoE rn but I'll follow up a lil with Bell's reads and also maybe Taly pushes that didn't register if my motivation maintains