In post 11444, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:But I've also been lowkey pushing you since day 1 >_> it's not like this push is completely out of left field or something
So I literally did this exact thing as scum in the game I just won. Picked someone and pushed them for 3 full days without really trying to gain momentum. That's the *ineffectual pushing* I was referencing earlier
All right - at least I can see where that is coming from now
I will make time to write a case for you later tonight, but it's kind of annoying when people take you out of the pool for kind of silly reasons imo when your posting today is the most scumhunting you've done since like the first half of day 1
TOWN - POOKY
Taly (x)
RCE
Mislim Bait (y)
Best Bird (x)
This graph is outdated for me.
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:40 pm
by JohnnyFarrar
In post 11451, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:your posting today is the most scumhunting you've done since like the first half of day 1
I think three games is too many for me honestly. I checked out of one pretty hard to post here d1, then my scum game went into Elo and I concentrated on that one. Now this is my only running game and I won't join another until I've got my feet under me again. The activity is manageable now
TOWN - POOKY
Taly (x)
RCE
Mislim Bait (y)
Best Bird (x)
This graph is outdated for me.
I would hope it’s outdated for everyone.
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:48 pm
by JohnnyFarrar
Lol
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 2:53 pm
by Roden
The graph is mainly just to see what Bell and Luke did to get themselves killed first and why Pooky may have been spared for now. It's not completely up to date, but we can factor those changes in if anyone knows Bell and Luke's final reads.
Mislim Bait, Taly, and Best Bird have the most to gain from killing Bell and Luke first, I think. Do we have any reason to remove any of them from the PoE?
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:01 pm
by Best Bird
Lol - you can fuck
all
the way off of you are using that chart for that purpose.
Town Lean:
Taly
Johnny
Pooky
T-Bone
BB
Mislim Bait
C&G
butterchurn
Null:
CSF
OTH
BBT
Roden
Scum Lean:
Malcolm
Mala
Talk to me about
Mislim Bait/BB
townreads.
Why do you think it's so likely that the masons could be fakeclaiming when there's so many other players to look at?
Regarding
Mislim Bait:
I have a really dumb theory about why Klick dropped that I won't even go over until end game, that's probably influencing me some, but I try not to let it.
Besides my dumb town!klick theory, I think mislim bait's just playing really townie. His entry showed clear signs of reading through ISOs and openly discussing conclusions. We've come to a lot of the same conclusions here and there. He calls people out for appropriate reasons, not just bs reasons that scum like to cling onto. He's just super townie IMO.
Regarding
BB:
I don't hard town read BB. I think I misplaced him above, or rather, I think I should have moved mislim bait up a few, and then BB is probably in the right position there. I think his PR claim is probably just true and too risky as scum. I don't think he's been particularly townie this game tbh, but I also don't know his play style. He's very sit back and judge here. Maybe that's just his play style, I dunno. If BB/PP is more town-leader type in other games, I might read him scum more here because he's just not that at all. But I sort of expect someone with a lot of experience to potentially play the way BB has played here, which makes his play sort of AI, but with the PR claim that seems too ridiculous to be scum. If BB flipped scum I wouldn't be surprised but I also don't have a scum read on him in general. It's like null with a town lean due to "probably just town with that claim."
Regarding the masons
:
It's a mix of Roden's play here and his play in the newbie 2095 game. I think I've mentioned here at least once, if not more, that Roden's only town to me because of the mason claim. Nothing he's done here has read town to me. 2095 pushed that thought even further and anyone who knows that game or reads it now should think the same.
That said, the mason claim is probably just true, and I have a town read on butterchurn's play so far. Also Nancy has a hard meta town read on dwlee and I believe nancy is just town here. So there's lots going for the mason claim just being true.
If I can jump start a town!Roden to play better, great, awesome. Let's fucking go. We're missing out on town!Roden's and town!Mala's best play here if either are town.
If I caught scum!Roden playing it safe with a fake claim, then I hope people who are better than me at this game can come to that conclusion as well. I was considering the masons a potential fake claim before and the 2095 comparison just really spotlighted it for me, and I wanted to share that. Without a mason claim, I vote Roden as scum for sure.
Yep both Bell and Luke read me scum. Luke not the entire time, but at the end, sure.
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:28 pm
by Roden
That's kind of worse for you though Rad
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:29 pm
by Rad
I can't find it now, but someone asked me about why I rank butterchurn and roden differently in my reads list (I read this while I was out and couldn't respond to it then, and now I can't find the post).
My answer is that I read the play of butterchurn separate from roden because I'm not 100% trusting in the mason call, so I'm trying to find scum play in them aside from it. Obviously if the mason claim is fake they're just both scum, and if it's real, they're just both town. But there's no way to know if it's fake without a flip or mechanics, so I'm trying to read them separately.
I read butterchurn even higher before but let's be clear, I'm the ideal mislim here, and he's one of the people on me. Yeah town are going to be on me too, because I make sense in general to flip after Bell and Luke got NK'd. But there aren't many people jumping on me right now and he's one of them. I'd expect scum to push my mislim here, so it makes me lose some of my town read on him. It's the opposite of my read on BBT where he jumped off due to specific reasons when it's incredibly easy to justify just sitting on me here as scum.
I read roden as lower due to reasons I've already stated.
Oh I know. I dunno if scum killed Bell and Luke specifically to frame me or for some other reason, but the end result points to scum!Rad killing people who read him scum. Probably some mix of them being solid NKs anyway and the benefit of me being the easy mislim for it.
the way off of you are using that chart for that purpose.
This is a massive overreaction. If something changed that made you seem townier then it'll come up as we discuss everything. If Luke or Bell's reads changed before they died, I asked for people to update it. Acting like I'm asking for a triple execution based on old reads is ridiculous, I'm just trying to start somewhere because the game state feels directionless and I think the NK choices were important.
Like, who else should be looked at right now? I've been trying to kill BBT for 5000 years and no one wants to commit to it. Rad is probably just town here. I don't want to vote Johnny today. I could be interested in RCE but I don't think anyone else is.
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:41 pm
by Roden
Rad have you read any other games of mine that wasn't 2095 or are you basing your entire read on me off of one game
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:42 pm
by Rad
@Roden RCE's playing so different than my scum game with him. What's giving you a scum read on him?
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 3:43 pm
by Rad
In post 11472, Roden wrote:Rad have you read any other games of mine that wasn't 2095 or are you basing your entire read on me off of one game
Entirely just 2095, but I'm getting kinda excited that you seem to be waking up
