Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Flavor Leaf]

fuck, Butterchurn does slightly incriminate Nashville as Wolf, but easily could be an attempted frame.

Butterchurn could have been double nightkilled instead of mafia no killing night 2, meaning they were forced to No kill night 3 rather than choosing to, but I digress.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, Kill TicTac, Wolves shoot me, Mafia shoots Menalque/Nashville, whichever of them isn't Mafia, the other is, then you're left in a Klick-Freedom-Sword-One of Menalque/Nashville.

Fade in the Menalque/Nashville.

Only scenario we lose is if Sword/Freedom is scum, which I'm happy to risk, to be honest.

This kills the triangle of Menalque/Nashville/FL 100% of the time, and ends in a town victory most of the time.

[Flavor Leaf]

wolves killing me, and Mafia killing a townie ends in 2 town, 1 mafia, 1 wolf, no fade in this situation and hope scum cross kill is only scenario that works out, but that's if Mafia miskills in their 50/50, and wolves shoot me, but that's still actually a pretty decent shot for town winning because scum have to kill each other or risk losing.

[Freedom]

So is everybody determined to vote tictac?
I haven't read much protest against so I'm assuming that most people aren't against.

[Freedom]

The goal has to be lim scum first and hopefully show I am town that way. The goal is to keep us in control.

Sounds like a good plan to me.

[Klick]

I don't think tictac is a good vote. I think Mafia has every incentive to shoot tictac, who I think will flip wolf. Meaning town controls their own vote while Mafia have to kill in town's interest.

FL currently reads as Mafia who thinks Menalque is town.

[Flavor Leaf]

I definitely do not think Menalque is town.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Klick - Do you not agree that Wolves, if I were Mafia here, need to shoot me?

Mafia shoots for a Wolf. Imo, TicTac is obvious wolf, so if we stay away from voting TicTac today, Mafia always shoots there if they live.

[Flavor Leaf]

So you want to take the leap today, Klick? I was pushing TicTac as best vote because it removed any chance of me slipping by to a Mafia win for you guys, and would have left tomorrow as the leap, albeit smaller leap.

If we flip mafia outside of me, I'm cleared, I was just going for certain scum. If we hit MafND today, you die in the night. If we hit Wolf ND, I die in the night.

[Flavor Leaf]

even as essentially mech cleared town, I can't get people to see I'm town

[Flavor Leaf]

I still think Menalque is a better fade than ND.

This makes zero sense if I were Mafia who thought Menalque is town. Mafia NEEDS a Wolf Fade.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Menalque

I'll put my vote down as someone who is confirmed not to be a Wolf on where I believe a Wolf is, and at worst, the last Mafia, which clears me 100%.

There is zero reason for MafiaFL to push a TownMenalque here. Please see that.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't think tictac is a good vote. I think Mafia has every incentive to shoot tictac,

who I think will flip wolf

. Meaning town controls their own vote while Mafia have to kill in town's interest.

FL currently reads as Mafia who thinks Menalque is town.

you should be seeing TicTac as 100% wolf here.

@Nashville - In the chance I'm wrong with you, I'd say 35% chance Sword is the scum instead of you, where we dont fade TicTac today, it's always Menalque that should be killed.

If you are town, I see very little possibility ever with Menalque being town here.

I don't love the idea of not fading TicTac, but I get what Klick is proposing at least. Mafia always shoots there. If Menalque flips Mafia, I become cleared, and we have an easy Wolf Fade in TicTac tomorrow. If Menalque flips Wolf, Mafia kills TicTac tonight, Wolves kill me.

Nashville, Klick, Freedom, Sword final 4 with 1 Mafia.

[Flavor Leaf]

Klick, Idk what to do at this point. I've felt like I was obv town for days at this point, but people still hanging onto the idea of me killing my own partner simply because it's me.

I have never killed my own partner. There was no wincon for me as Mafia by doing so.

Please get some medicine for that Flavor Fever.

[Flavor Leaf]

Klick, Idk what to do at this point. I've felt like I was obv town for days at this point, but people still hanging onto the idea of me killing my own partner simply because it's me.

I have never killed my own partner. There was no wincon for me as Mafia by doing so.

Please get some medicine for that Flavor Fever.

Thinking about it, it's really just scum who is holding onto this. I think Sword sees that I'm town, and I believe Freedom does too, but has that cautious side with it, which I understand, and then Klick has a bit more power, so I can understand them not wanting to lose to scumMe, but literally the group who has been leaving me open, with the exception of Titus, is literally just scum. And even Titus opened up to me being scum again starting yesterday, but I believe the townies alongside myself are Sword, Freedom, and Klick.

Fade Menalque, TicTac 100% always kills me. Mafia always kills TicTac.

Then fade Nashville tomorrow.

The game is always won in that scenario if Sword/Freedom are both town.

[Flavor Leaf]

My No Fade plan from earlier still works if I die, but Mafia doesn't kill TicTac.

[tictac]

nash+sod wolves
leaf maf.
is my solve

probs makes sense 2 go 4 wolf today and nash is the one kilck agrees with, so.
VOTE: nash

[Freedom]

tictac, what changed on your read on my slot?

[tictac]

bnuu flipped wolf

[Menalque]

I definitely do not think Menalque is town.

@klick lmk if you want thoughts on anything or when you wanna vote/who

Don’t have a lot to add outside of that and things are v busy irl as I fly back to the Uk for the summer on fri

[Nashville Dreams]

VLA 48 hours

Here's the situation, we're both working.
Wolves and mafia get kills tonight if not limmed.
Limming wolves puts us in prisoners dillema. 4 1 1.
Nightkills can become 4 0 0
2 1 1 or 3 2.
Limming mafia puts us in 4 2. Which becomes 3 2.

Safer play is to eliminate mafia.
Mafia want a wolf limmed or town.
Wolves settle for town but want mafia.

[Nashville Dreams]

I think we lim Flavor here as I think he's mafia. I'm not 100% sure given Math's history.

We can't no lim and we can't risk a town elim. No lim puts us at 4 2 1. Then wolves shoot mafia. Mafia shoots town. 3 2 or mafia shoots scum 4 1 1. This is crosskill hope at best. Might as well eliminate tictac.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think we lim Flavor here as I think he's mafia. I'm not 100% sure given Math's history.

We can't no lim and we can't risk a town elim. No lim puts us at 4 2 1. Then wolves shoot mafia. Mafia shoots town. 3 2 or mafia shoots scum 4 1 1. This is crosskill hope at best. Might as well eliminate tictac.

I am a town elim. Like I said, had Mathblade not come in here, and push me killing my own partner so much, I would be essentially Conf town.

In the scenario you’re putting forth with Can’t risk a town elim, from your pov, if I were Mafia, then tomorrow would be a 3-2 with 2 wolves where you can fade TicTac, and it’s a do or die with Menalque-ND-Sword anyways.

So even in the best case scenario from your POV, how does fading me make sense?

[Flavor Leaf]

In that scenario, Klick dies as well because wolves don’t have to shoot for Mafia.



Wolves 100% of the time shoot for me tonight. Let them.

@Sword - Freedom - do you two understand why Wolves always shoot me tonight if a Mafia is unflipped? Even if we flip ND and they flip Mafia, wolves shoot me over Klick.

[Flavor Leaf]

Here’s the thing, if anyone ever thinks I’m mafia here, then you should also see that I would 100% be shooting in TicTac/Menalque.

I am being pushed as Mafia and then in the same posts it gets talked about Mafia shooting town.

No. If I were Mafia here, I shoot a wolf. If I were Mafia here, I’d have an enhanced read on the game based on being informed most of it.

If I were Mafia here, I do not miss.


Freedom, Klick, and Sword, please see why I am town here. I do not kill my own scum partner. Nashville even laid out why there was no victory path for me if I chose to do that the night Enchant died.

The scum is exactly TicTac, Menalque, and Nashville.

Nashville’s setup in that last post confirms it because her post implied situations relying on me being Mafia but also said I would shoot town which doesn’t ever have a possibility if I were Mafia.


I have been near 100% correct this game. With Catboi, with Mastina, with CSF, with Bnuuy. It didn’t happen Willy nilly, I did the work and came to conclusions.

I have been a major pusher of every single flipped scum except Enchant. I didn’t do it alone by any means.

I am objectively and close to Mech town here. Please do not let Flavor Fever get to you.

I understand this may be annoying, but try to listen to what I say.

As town, I will do everything in my power to help you see that I am town, and scum have been trying to push Mathblade’s scenario into this game since Day 3.

Mathblade and I were a hard TvT that scum were able to hide behind, and push to their benefit.

Klick was also tied into that, so at one point it was a Mathblade, Klick, FL chain misfade possibility before Math cleared Klick.


Wolves will always shoot me here. There is no chance of me living through as Mafia.

If you want TicTac to stay alive to get shot by Mafia, fine, but I highly doubt Mafia ever misses here.

It is possible it’s TicTac/ND with Menalque Mafia, but whoever the Mafia is knows the exact wolf team, unless Sword is Wolf, which I do not believe.

I have been town reading both Sword and Freedom slot since Day 1, it’s not like this just happened out of the blue.

I will fade any of the three, and believe it’s the best path to victory.


Let me die tonight from the wolves claw themselves. WITNESSSSS MEEEEEE!!!!!!!