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Post Post #1150 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:05 am

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Mod – I’ll be V/LA from 4pm EST today until Monday morning for my usual weekend family duties.


I’ll be reviewing the thread in regards to Xvart and Reapercharlie interactions, looking at Primate’s play, and doing a VC Analysis today. Hopefully the day lasts longer than 48 hours this time.

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Rikana wrote:I said it as a joke. If a joke damns me to a lynch, I really don't know where this community has gone to.


Yes, because only Town jokes and scum never do … :roll:

In reviewing my QT notes you were at the top of my “Hey, looks like scum to me list” after the xvart lynch.

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Dana wrote:From the numbers and roles revealed so far, I think that 3 maf are probably still in the game. vote: DeathNote for reasons outlined yesterday.


Dana do you ever reset your reads when new information comes around? I ask because we’ve had relevant flips yet you are just parking on Deathnote (not that he is Townie McTowniepants) with ‘reasons from yesterday’. Please redevelop your case. I suspect the above is why people "never pay attention to you" ... you aren't putting in the effort.
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Post Post #1151 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:15 am

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Hey, I finally get to post.
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Post Post #1152 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:18 am

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5 to 6 mafia, dependent upon the existence of an SK. 3 to 4 left.

Pretty sure I'm confirmed.
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Post Post #1153 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:35 am

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inHimshallibe wrote:5 to 6 mafia, dependent upon the existence of an SK. 3 to 4 left.

Pretty sure I'm confirmed.


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Post Post #1154 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:47 am

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inHimshallibe wrote:5 to 6 mafia, dependent upon the existence of an SK. 3 to 4 left.

Pretty sure I'm confirmed.


Hello Mr. "I'm not paying attention". That's what you are 'confirmed' about, right?

Kublia Khan has flipped Serial Killer. We also have a flipped Jester.

How do these easily discoverable facts alter your thoughts?

Also ... who is scum?
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Post Post #1155 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:55 am

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I'm not concerned about Lobster. He has nothing against me, just something someone else said.

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Post Post #1156 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:06 am

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Look, it's scum posting!!!!
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Post Post #1157 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:13 am

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Well, to me the coloring looks like Kublai was turned into an SK, not an SK to begin with... which makes sense, given the OP. Ok, so the mod plans for turning someone into an SK, so probably 5 mafia, and 3 remaining.

I highly doubt MoI to be scum, given the nature of the xvart case. Are Junox or Neruz cleared in any way? I remember that I felt like one of them could be scum. To be honest, I'm so out of touch with this game. Pressing onward, though.

You're pushing Rikana now? I think Rikana had some weird reasoning for voting xvart at one point, possible poor bus.
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Post Post #1158 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:16 am

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inHimshallibe wrote:5 to 6 mafia, dependent upon the existence of an SK. 3 to 4 left.

Pretty sure I'm confirmed.


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Post Post #1159 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:25 am

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Not a one of you bring up Neruz/Junox/DeathNote. Odd.

@Empking: Pestered RC and that nonhammer of xvart imo.
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Post Post #1160 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:32 am

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inHimshallibe wrote:@Empking: Pestered RC and that nonhammer of xvart imo.


So you are claiming confirmed Town for not hammering confirmed scum xvart? Yeah, that's a ball of useless WIFOM.

And what do you mean "Don't bring up Junox / Neruz / Deathnote"? Explain please.
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Post Post #1161 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:35 am

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:@Empking: Pestered RC and that nonhammer of xvart imo.


So you are claiming confirmed Town for not hammering confirmed scum xvart? Yeah, that's a ball of useless WIFOM.

And what do you mean "Don't bring up Junox / Neruz / Deathnote"? Explain please.

I make that hammer all time every time if I'm scum. Grains of salt, continue feeling like you're playing it "by the book."


Junox/Neruz/DeathNote - did anyone ever look at reactions to this. I'll go look at it. Like, did Neruz look like caught scum? Did DeathNote's action claim hold true?
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Post Post #1162 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:40 am

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I want Neruz's death. If scum, both buddies are on there. No one even questions this until MoI at L-1.
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Post Post #1163 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:41 am

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Neruz wrote:God fucking damnit DeathNote, i wish you'd said something about that block, that's probably just wasted an extremely powerful ability.

Also what the hell kind of reaction is this.


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Post Post #1164 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:44 am

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Honestly, i've got nothing right now. That modkill really interrupted my train of thought.

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Neruz wrote:God fucking damnit DeathNote, i wish you'd said something about that block, that's probably just wasted an extremely powerful ability.

Also what the hell kind of reaction is this.


My second box gave me a one-shot ability to determine what factions were active in the game and how many players in each faction. I used it on the night DeathNote blocked, wasting it entirely. I'm kind of miffed about that to be honest.
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Post Post #1165 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:09 am

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Xvart ISO Reread


ISO 0 - RVS / Initial vote on Rikana, accepts LLD’s claim post restriction with no hesitation.

ISO 2 – Attacks Rikana for back-peddaling on Yami / KK (who we know from game events couldn’t possibly have been a partner to xvart / RC)

Calls CSL’s vote Yami. FoS: Rikana as classic “Vote Town, FoS Partner”. Relevant for later.

“The way Nurez, CSL, and Rikana are all dancing around the Yami wagon seems very much like people stirring up trouble for the sake of distraction.” Lumps CSL (Jester, not Mafia), Neruz and Rikana together.

ISO 3 – Despite all the stances on Rikana being scum he votes Reaper for a ‘faked post restriction’ (which we know it was). In context this vote pulled Reaper even with CSL at 6 votes apiece. This is his first mention of RC’s post restriction and is in contrast to how readily he accepted LLD’s. In hindsight – bussing a disliked partner with perfect inside knowledge.

Day 1 ends there.

ISO 4 – Immediately comes flying at Reaper again. I’m guessing he was looking to capitalize on Town cred by strongly bussing and it backfired.

ISO 5 wrote: The only person at this point I would consider voting is Rikana, for the reasons I mentioned yesterday. Voting YamiChan to give pressure and then saying later saying she doesn't need pressure because she'll obviously flail. It appears to me that he was just trying to get her into a spot where she would flail (knowing she would flail) to derail D1.


More soft accustations at Rikana.

ISO 6 / 7 / 8 – Jousting with CoolDog about RC and his ‘restriction’.

ISO 9 – Self hammer.

Reaper ISO re-read


In reading this he spends a good amount of time referencing other posts, especially Day 1. So I’m not going to get into every little spam post. And am not going to reference posts towards dead and flipped players.

ISO 0 – Votes Juls in RVS.

ISO 5 – Acknowldeges Juls catch of his ‘claimed’ post restriction.

ISO 37 – Uses Sath’s sudden post restriction as support for his own.

ISO 97 – Calls Neruz scum and votes for him.

ISO 109 – Disagrees with Spyrex that I am scum.

ISO 110- Backs off Neruz vote when Neruz points out the “Mafia kill flavor”

ISO 126 / 127– Questions Inhim’s “Do I get Town or scum cred for hammering claimed scum xvart” post.

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So looking at these ISOs –

I can really see Rikana as being a partner that xvart was distancing from (not actively trying to get him lynched but establishing that he was scummy in xvart’s eyes) while he actively bussed Reaper.

Reaper’s ISO is a mish-mash. I’m suspicious of Sath’s Post Restriction that suddenly crept up at just the right time to bolster RC’s Day1. Neruz and inhim are more likely to be Town based on RC’s interactions with them.
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Post Post #1166 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:22 am

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InHim wrote:I make that hammer all time every time if I'm scum. Grains of salt, continue feeling like you're playing it "by the book."


Oh, so its Self-meta then. See that goes right out the door with me. I see scum as hoping to see if xvart could get some “Town only self-vote like that” cred working and thus held off hammering.

InHim wrote:Junox/Neruz/DeathNote - did anyone ever look at reactions to this. I'll go look at it. Like, did Neruz look like caught scum? Did DeathNote's action claim hold true?


Um Deathnote’s claimed action pretty much has to be true given my direct knowledge that I was role-blocked N2 and indirect knowledge via the sudden drop in non-Mafia (aka Box) kills.

InHim wrote:I want Neruz's death. If scum, both buddies are on there. No one even questions this until MoI at L-1.


Then you need a better reason than “Cop Claim on Neruz that resulted in a wagon”. Because people around here love ‘Follow the Cop’, regardless of how ‘evolved’ MS scum-hunting is supposed to be. Go looking for them.
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Post Post #1167 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:27 am

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Neruz wrote:Honestly, i've got nothing right now. That modkill really interrupted my train of thought.

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Neruz wrote:God fucking damnit DeathNote, i wish you'd said something about that block, that's probably just wasted an extremely powerful ability.

Also what the hell kind of reaction is this.


My second box gave me a one-shot ability to determine what factions were active in the game and how many players in each faction. I used it on the night DeathNote blocked, wasting it entirely. I'm kind of miffed about that to be honest.


My ability states that you are not able to use your box, not that it would be wasted if you try. Unless you were only able to use it during that particular night.
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Post Post #1168 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:30 am

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Then something is fishy; i used my box and got back the response that my Census Taker ability gives no result. Further enquiry revealed that the ability had been wasted.

Based on that, i would assume your ability functioned like a roleblock.
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Post Post #1169 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:31 am

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hmm.... I will speak with the mod but from what I understand, my power prevented anyone from using their boxes, not blocking their functions and wasting them.
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Post Post #1170 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:32 am

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My ability was definitely blocked and wasted.
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Post Post #1171 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:58 am

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Ok ... more time after my V/LA.

For the moment I'll simply leave a

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Post Post #1172 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:26 am

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Follow the cop early game is always fine by me.

I kinda lean town on inHim for having the stones to say thats a confirmation.
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Post Post #1173 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:38 am

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Sooooo...

Neruz is still alive and he shouldn't be. Unless anyone wants to claim mass rb again...

vote: Neruz


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Post Post #1174 (ISO) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:39 am

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Unvote

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