[REVIEW] Open Setup Reviews

[Hectic]

Could also enforce a posting limit, or a general no excessive spam rule (like a user filling up an entire page)

[Isis]

Those numbers look scumsided even for 2021 and even for Isis

[Hectic]

How about:

100 Silver Heroics

30 Gold Heroics

25 of those silvers, and 8 of those golds are only introduced on day 2.

3 Silver

= Nominate shot

4 Silver

= New Neighbourhood shot

5 Silver

= Add player to neighbourhood shot

2 Gold

= Jailkeeper shot

3 Gold

= Bulletproof vest (passive 1 shot)

4 Gold

= Day Vigilante shot

I expect a small subset of the players to take heroic hunting a lot more seriously than others, so I expect some dayvigs to be bought even though 30/17 means an average of 1.76 gold per player

[Isis]

A dayvig has marginal effect on balance. There's so much kill prevention in the night play missing kills can't be interpreted..

I think the setup is not townsided at 100/50

[Hectic]

Alright, what about:

Once 50% of all silvers have been attained, town gains another execution for the day
Once 50% of all golds have been attained, town gains another execution for the day

That's 2 more executions for town at some point in the game

[Jingle]

There’s also the problem that a scum day vig is disproportionately more powerful than a town day vig and town power is very likely to be obvious when they buy.

Also cross targeting JKs is kinda icky.

I think your game is going to be a lot more vanilla than intended.

You could throw in a fairly inexpensive achievement cop and an expensive investigative role (watcher?) but as is I think you’re just heading towards a mostly mountainous game.

[Hectic]

Gotcha, Jungle (your achievement unlocked game is what inspired this if it wasn't obvious btw)

80 Silver Heroics

24 Gold Heroics

10 new silvers and 3 new golds introduced per day

3 Silver

= Nominate shot

4 Silver

= New Neighbourhood with someone (day)

5 Silver

= Add player to neighbourhood (day)

5 Silver

= Heroics cop (see amount of silvers and golds a player has)

2 Gold

= Jailkeeper shot

3 Gold

= Bulletproof vest (passive 1 shot)

4 Gold

= Watcher shot

4 Gold

= Day Vigilante shot (public and must be used immediately)

+

Once 50% of all silvers have been attained, town gains another execution for the day
Once 50% of all golds have been attained, town gains another execution for the day

[Isis]

The dayvig is sus, as Jingle points out. It could mitigate their strength if they were forced to be used immediately and publicly

[Jingle]

achievement unlocked game

I uh... Don't remember that tbh.

I'd probably be willing to play this as a 13:4 with the right list but I'm honestly not convinced it's balanced. There's a certain value to knowing what you're getting yourself into that makes me more willing to try weird departures from the norm like this though.

[Isis]

I'm convinced the scum have an advantage going into the game but it will probably be a fun time right

[Jingle]

(your achievement unlocked game is what inspired this if it wasn't obvious btw)

I looked it up, this was a ducky and S_S game. I'm flattered that you'd assume it was me, but I'm not solely responsible for all of the weird mutations on site.

[Hectic]

lol oops

I thought you were in the Professor Moriarty mod account for some reason

[Hectic]

I'll make the watcher cost 3 gold instead and roll with that I think

[Isis]

Keep it at 4. Watcher is so strong.

[Hectic]

Alright

The playerlist that joins will probably be townsided by nature so I'm sure it'll be fine

[Isis]

Tryna shit on my scumgame to my face do you wanna fuckn go right now Hectic I got a parking lot right here

[Jingle]

Isis's scumgame so good she doesn't even have to ban the players who scumread her to win. Agreed that watcher below 4 would be too cheap. You could maybe play around with a mechanic to allow the sharing of Achievement Points depending on how likely it is all the achievements actually happen. The less points in play the more reasonable that option becomes.

[northsidegal]

would be interested in any feedback here

[Gamma Emerald]

Tryna shit on my scumgame to my face do you wanna fuckn go right now Hectic I got a parking lot right here

...
I'm not afraid to say I think your scumgame needs work, if Haunted Village was any indication

[Isis]

I really doubt that was my median scumgame

[Ruby Red]

Crossfire Vengeful

4 Vengeful Mafioso

9 Vengeful Townies

Nightless.
Each player may vote for as many players as they like (a single vote on each).
Votes are not reset after an elim occurs (so combo elims can occur if someone else was on L-1 with the person who was eliminated not voting for that person).
Deadline for the entire game is 14 days. Town lose if the deadline is reached.

Mafia win by achieving parity with the town. Town win when all mafia are dead.

the first crossfire was such a hit, it's time for the sequel

gonna toss this one in the old queue right now, this is mainly here to link to it although you guys can talk about the balance or whatever if you want

[Something_Smart]

vengeful town + vengeful scum has this weird issue that it's better to execute scummy townies than to execute scum, which creates some really strange incentives. Just my $0.02.

Also, a town vengekill is in theory (and probably also in practice) no better than an execution (except that it can't trigger another vengekill), but a mafia vengekill is obviously much better for mafia than an execution. If the original Crossfire was balanced I'd expect this to be pretty scumsided.

[Ruby Red]

original was probs pretty townsided

the wiki says 4:9 EV is 52% so meh. town gets a venge in lylo so unlike most setups there's never gonna be a scum quickhammer to end it

[Jingle]

How do you deal with sequencing?

Like, if I set up a situation where a vote hammered someone which then hammered someone else which then hammered someone else, would the hammers all resolve and then the venges or would the venges resolve between each vote count check?

[Gypyx]

original crossfire had only the first hammer resolve, no simultaneous stuff