Mini 1249--Community: Paintball Assassin Mafia (Party Over!)

[Pine]

And yet, you continue to fail. Christ, I'm so tempted to self-hammer just to rub it in your smug, self-satisfied face. I expect GROVELING when this is over you fucktwat.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No need for that.

OK, you want reasons?

How about your opportunistic vote yesterday? The one on xvart, and then on Lurconis. Before we even got content from CDB/BBm. How do you explain that?

[Pine]

Care to be more specific? I believed in both cases at the time, though I no longer do.

[DarthYoshi]

Day Three, Vote Count the Seventh

Gandalf5166 (3): Pine, xvart, Big Balls Molla
Pine (4): Albert B. Rampage, gandalf5166, Nexus, PeregrineV
Albert B. Rampage (1): zoraster
xvart (1): Porochaz

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch and 5 to no lynch.

The deadline is currently set for 9:00 pm Pacific Standard Time on Sunday, November 6.

As ever, any questions or concerns, please let me know.

[gandalf5166]

Nope. I don't think you and xvart are buddies. I'm quite confident that it's you and Peregrine.

As for you and Amrun, you were distancing and then bussing.

There's a difference between bussing and focusing on hardly anything but each other all D1.

[Porochaz]

Page 43 is full of fail. Im glad ABR is psychic and can claim a role that fits mine perfectly before I claim. You have 3 options, either Im scum jumping on the wagon, were both scum gambiting wildly or neither of us are scum. You dont have any other option. If you think ABR is scum then you think I am scum therefore you should vote me.

[Porochaz]

Urgh there are good reasons to vote both players. The nature of gandalfs claim, his traitor talk and his lack of outwards scumhunting vs Pines self hammering schtick, the slight opportunism, the voting of ABR, the insistence that his following ABR's plan is town...

So I have decided to vote based on the fact that one could just be a VI. Ive played with gandalf enough times to know that he isn't a VI, at least not anymore. Pine hasn't been around enough to allow me to make any conclusions. Also by voting gandalf it means I make zor make the decision. As he's voting ABR (see post above as to why thats stupid) it means that he actually means he has to put vote somewhere sensible.

unvote vote gandalf

[PeregrineV]

Just so you know PV, I have no idea what Nexus is talking about, that's just how I interpreted his post.

I assume he meant it that way. If he meant something else I'm sure he'll correct the misassumption.

[PeregrineV]

Ehh, fuck it. I'm toying with a self-hammer, if I can elicit promises from people to go after Gandalf and Peregrine when I flip Town.

I refuse to go after myself no matter what you flip.

[PeregrineV]

Ehh, fuck it. I'm toying with a self-hammer, if I can elicit promises from people to go after Gandalf and Peregrine when I flip Town.

Only if you were town and stupid enough to do this, you'd just do it. Instead, you're scum, using it as leverage to get people to promise to lynch me when you die in the hope that they'll skip the in between and just hop wagons.

Then why are you so hell-bent on me going first? Lynch Gandalf with me, and Porochaz will possess the ability to clear me. If he reports back that I'm a liar, then fucking lynch me.

Gandalf's Psychic Hotline is now open.

[gandalf5166]

Pine assuming I'm scum also makes it so that after I die he can just change all his opinions and claim that they were made under the assumption that I was scum. Pretty smart, really.

[PeregrineV]

@Pine- You can still refute my accusation. You did say you would, in 1119.

I voted you here: Post 1114

[Pine]

I don't care any more. You've thoroughly misrepresented the evolution of my opinions, and present things out of proper order and without proper context, such that it seems that I leap from vote to vote without due consideration and for fabricated reasons. There, I've refuted it as much as I'm going to bother.

[BBmolla]

Peregrine, what is your read on Gandalf? You seem to comment on what he does, but never actually explain what you think of him.

[Pine]

Search his ISO for mentions of Gandalf's name. They're very, very sparse.

[BBmolla]

I'm aware, he talks about Gandalf a lot, but more of what has happened as opposed to how he feels about it and how it affects his read.

I just find it odd that Gandalf is a wagon and Peregrine hasn't even given it any thought.

If Gandalf does flip scum, expect me to be looking Pere's way.

[PeregrineV]

Also regarding Gandalf claim- Census Taker
This from the wiki

Census
You may take a census, thus discovering the number of [Pro-Town] players, [Anti-Town] players, and [Neutral] players that are alive at the end of the current night phase. You will receive a Private Message from the moderator containing the number of [Pro-Town], [Anti-Town], and [Neutral] that are alive.

Census
Role: You may take a census, thus discovering the number of living players with [Role] that are alive at the end of the current night phase. You will receive a Private Message from the moderator containing the number of players with [Role] that are alive.

Well, so far everything your speculating is only that, speculation. It's a role that may say 9:2, which is exactly what it is, or it may say something else, when it could be 9:2. Your role is entirely null, because, as you said:

i've been informed that my results may be inaccurate due to my drunkenness

. It's a oneshot ability, but simply the fact that there IS one makes it likely there's a traitor, or some kind of role that switches alignments, or else there'd be no point in including one.

So you have a role that does nothing, or has the potential to do nothing, and so has absolutely no effect on balance whatsoever. So, either it's a great fakeclaim, because it means nothing and it absolutely unverifiable until the game is over, or it's a town role that is effectively VT but that messes with your head thinking it means more than it does.

This is my Gandalf thoughts, and it hasn't changed much.

Gandalf always claims something when he plays.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p3055662
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p2516067
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p3272355
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So I'm currently keeping an eye on him, but, he is semi-cleared seeing as how he was the Amrun counterwagon day1. Right, Pine?

Day One, Vote Count the Fourteenth

Amrun

(6): gandalf5166, Nexus,

Hinduragi, xRECKONERx

, Pine, Albert B. Rampage

Nexus (3)

:

PeregrineV

, Porochaz, BBMolla

gandalf5166 (3)

: xvart,

Amrun

,

Lurconis

Porochaz (1):

zoraster

[Pine]

No, Nexus was the counter-wagon. Gandalf wagon pre-existed, and was good then too.

[PeregrineV]

Day One, Vote Count the Eleventh

Amrun

(3): gandalf5166, Albert B. Rampage, Nexus
Nexus (5): Pine,

PeregrineV,

Amrun

, BBMolla, Porochaz
Pine (1):

Hinduragi

gandalf5166 (4):

xRECKONERx, zoraster

, xvart,

Lurconis

I feel this one is important. If Nexus is scum, and Gandalf town, then gandalf would be a better wagon to join rather than scum teammate Amrun. If Nexus is town, then he picked scummiest to him. If Amrun/Gandalf/Nexus, then Amrun would be weakest of the roles, since she was far from lynch leader.

Day One, Vote Count the Twelfth

Amrun

(3): gandalf5166, Albert B. Rampage, Nexus
Nexus (4): Pine,

PeregrineV

, BBMolla, Porochaz
gandalf5166 (5):

xRECKONERx, zoraster,

xvart,

Lurconis

,

Amrun

Not Voting (1):

Hinduragi

Amrun leaves Nexus wagon to join Gandalf wagon, probably hoping to shift momentum.

Day One, Vote Count the Thirteenth

Amrun

(3): gandalf5166, Albert B. Rampage, Nexus
Nexus (4): Pine,

PeregrineV

, BBMolla, Porochaz
gandalf5166 (3): xvart,

Amrun

,

Lurconis

Porochaz (1):

zoraster

Lurconis

(1):

Hinduragi

Albert B. Rampage (1):

xRECKONERx

Masons break off the Gandalf wagon and split votes. If Amrun being bussed at this time, were scum caught in the speed of the shift?

Day One, Vote Count the Fourteenth

Amrun

(6): gandalf5166, Nexus,

Hinduragi

,

xRECKONERx

, Pine, Albert B. Rampage
Nexus (3):

PeregrineV

, Porochaz, BBMolla
gandalf5166 (3): xvart,

Amrun,

Lurconis

Porochaz (1):

zoraster

Lots of unseen activity. ABR v Reck. Reck votes ABR. BBMolla votes ABR. ABR claims. Reck "why claim". Pine "Britta as Joat reasonable." Amrun "claim weird".BBMolla "Britta as JOAT makes sense" Poro "premature but makes sense". Hindu "PR claim stops wagon".Xvart "same abilities?"
Reck votes Poro again. Hindu votes Amrun(#3). Reck votes Amrun(#4).Pine votes Amrun (#5). ABR votes Amrun (#6)

Day One, Vote Count the Fifteenth

A lynch has been reached.

Amrun

(7): gandalf5166, Nexus,

Hinduragi,

xRECKONERx

, Pine, Albert B. Rampage, Porochaz
Nexus (3):

PeregrineV

, BBMolla,

Amrun

gandalf5166 (2): xvart,

Lurconis

Porochaz (1):

zoraster

Amrun leaves Gandalf to vote Nexus, becoming the 4th vote on him. Amrun claims here.ABR "I think she is a mafia rolecop.Poro hammers

I don't think so. Look again.
The comments beneath each are the activity leading to the vote count above it.

[Pine]

Watch Amrun's actions. They're the more important ones. Gandalf had been around as a wagon for a long time, but never got big. Amrun got wagoned, and she jumped off of the slowing Nexus wagon for the Gandalf wagon, which was growing in speed. You'll note that the Gandalf wagon was pure Town, with the possible exception of xvart, who I also believe is probably Town. She jumped onto a "Not me" wagon, probably trying to save her scum PR by offering Gandalf, who may be a Goon. Then, as soon as my vote (not ABR's) tipped the balance against Amrun, and one of the Masons joined me, she desperately tried to reinvigorate the Nexus wagon. Which was the fucking counter-wagon.

You don't include the VCs that led to the scenario in VC11, which further demonstrate that Nexus was the counter-wagon, and Gandalf was the ancillary Town-driven wagon on scum.

[PeregrineV]

Day One, Vote Count the Eighth

Amrun

(2): gandalf5166, Albert B. Rampage

Hinduragi

(1): Nexus
Nexus (5): Pine,

PeregrineV

,

Amrun

, BBMolla, Porochaz

Lurconis

(1):

Hinduragi

gandalf5166 (3):

xRECKONERx, zoraster

, xvart
Not Voting (1):

Lurconis

Poro left the Nexus wagon at #5 spot in votecount 1-6, and comes back to the #5 spot in 1-8

Day One, Vote Count the Ninth

Amrun

(2): gandalf5166, Albert B. Rampage

Hinduragi

(1): Nexus
Nexus (5): Pine,

PeregrineV

,

Amrun

, BBMolla, Porochaz
Pine (1):

Hinduragi

gandalf5166 (3):

xRECKONERx, zoraster

, xvart
Not Voting (1):

Lurconis

First Pine vote by Hindu. But the post is just saying hi. The reason given later is lack of content by Pine.

Day One, Vote Count the Tenth

Amrun

(2): gandalf5166, Albert B. Rampage

Hinduragi

(1): Nexus
Nexus (5): Pine,

PeregrineV

,

Amrun

, BBMolla, Porochaz
Pine (1):

Hinduragi

gandalf5166 (4):

xRECKONERx, zoraster

, xvart,

Lurconis

Day One, Vote Count the Eleventh

Amrun

(3): gandalf5166, Albert B. Rampage, Nexus
Nexus (5): Pine,

PeregrineV,

Amrun

, BBMolla, Porochaz
Pine (1):

Hinduragi

gandalf5166 (4):

xRECKONERx, zoraster

, xvart,

Lurconis

I feel this one is important. If Nexus is scum, and Gandalf town, then gandalf would be a better wagon to join rather than scum teammate Amrun. If Nexus is town, then he picked scummiest to him. If Amrun/Gandalf/Nexus, then Amrun would be weakest of the roles, since she was far from lynch leader.

Day One, Vote Count the Twelfth

Amrun

(3): gandalf5166, Albert B. Rampage, Nexus
Nexus (4): Pine,

PeregrineV

, BBMolla, Porochaz
gandalf5166 (5):

xRECKONERx, zoraster,

xvart,

Lurconis

,

Amrun

Not Voting (1):

Hinduragi

Amrun leaves Nexus wagon to join Gandalf wagon, probably hoping to shift momentum.

Day One, Vote Count the Thirteenth

Amrun

(3): gandalf5166, Albert B. Rampage, Nexus
Nexus (4): Pine,

PeregrineV

, BBMolla, Porochaz
gandalf5166 (3): xvart,

Amrun

,

Lurconis

Porochaz (1):

zoraster

Lurconis

(1):

Hinduragi

Albert B. Rampage (1):

xRECKONERx

Masons break off the Gandalf wagon and split votes. If Amrun being bussed at this time, were scum caught in the speed of the shift?

Day One, Vote Count the Fourteenth

Amrun

(6): gandalf5166, Nexus,

Hinduragi

,

xRECKONERx

, Pine, Albert B. Rampage
Nexus (3):

PeregrineV

, Porochaz, BBMolla
gandalf5166 (3): xvart,

Amrun,

Lurconis

Porochaz (1):

zoraster

Lots of unseen activity. ABR v Reck. Reck votes ABR. BBMolla votes ABR. ABR claims. Reck "why claim". Pine "Britta as Joat reasonable." Amrun "claim weird".BBMolla "Britta as JOAT makes sense" Poro "premature but makes sense". Hindu "PR claim stops wagon".Xvart "same abilities?"
Reck votes Poro again. Hindu votes Amrun(#3). Reck votes Amrun(#4).Pine votes Amrun (#5). ABR votes Amrun (#6)

Day One, Vote Count the Fifteenth

A lynch has been reached.

Amrun

(7): gandalf5166, Nexus,

Hinduragi,

xRECKONERx

, Pine, Albert B. Rampage, Porochaz
Nexus (3):

PeregrineV

, BBMolla,

Amrun

gandalf5166 (2): xvart,

Lurconis

Porochaz (1):

zoraster

Amrun leaves Gandalf to vote Nexus, becoming the 4th vote on him. Amrun claims here.ABR "I think she is a mafia rolecop.Poro hammers

From VC10 to VC11, Nexus moved from hindu to Amrun.
If she is town, she did it because she found Amrun scummier than anyone else. Do you agree with that statement?

If you mean something else, than I have done every single vote count and the activities in-between. Point out what you mean.

[Nexus]

Zoraster: Your vote is doing nothing. We have a day left. Do something.

[zoraster]

why focus on my vote? Poro's is doing equally nothing.

Still, fine.

VOTE: Pine

hammertime.

[Nexus]

Um no, Prozac was on the gandalf wagon. That was more use than you not voting...

[Porochaz]

Which in turn would have been better than voting ABR, who is town for the reasons mentioned in my last post about him.