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Buldermar won't like this

"Reread"

Post #1065 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:16 pm

Post #1071 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:13 pm

Buld

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Buldermar won't like this

"Reread"

If that's in reference to your flop on pitoli, your most recent post about her (#1085) indicates you think she's scum.

So I ask again, why do you now not think she's scum?

↑ Syryana wrote:

↑ pitoli wrote:
As much as I like people who call me town, I hope you're not basing that purely off of Nero's ISO, that's just insane!!

You won't like me then. You're scum.
VOTE: pitoli

I have my reasons for this, which involve pitoli/me ISO and I will disclose in due course. I want to see orc's reasons first though.

You can do this first

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

↑ Syryana wrote:

↑ pitoli wrote:
As much as I like people who call me town, I hope you're not basing that purely off of Nero's ISO, that's just insane!!

You won't like me then. You're scum.
VOTE: pitoli

I have my reasons for this, which involve pitoli/me ISO and I will disclose in due course. I want to see orc's reasons first though.

You can do this first

Going back through pitoli ISO...

Got a bad vibe off her early with the terrible RVS wagon comment. The responses she gave afterwards lessened my scumread on her, though looking back now she makes a point to mention she's newbtown in #232, which as of my latest experience has been more of a scumtell than a towntell. Waffles on the fery wagon, pulls a scumread on me when I changed my mind about fery being scum. Waffles on voting me after calling me scum.

I don't like her #576 where she says she didn't know SD was FoSing her. It just kinda comes off as "lol I'm a silly noob ignore me" post.

Blablabla, suddenly she has a scumread on SD. Hmm. More fluff later, she votes Nero. Well, so much for the waffling.

Fluff, fluff, fluff. Then HOLY SHIT #968.

↑ pitoli wrote:
As much as I like people who call me town, I hope you're not basing that purely off of Nero's ISO, that's just insane!!

I don't think Orc whiteknighted anyone... It seemed like yesterday him/Buldermar had some sort of functional coalition to decide who to lynch, but that's far from saying he whiteknighted him or even thought him obvtown.

Nero ISO makes her town? Where the hell did she get this from? Nobody was talking about her being town with Nero ISO.

Then Mala BS. This chick is way scummier than I remembered after going all paranoid on Orc.

VOTE: pitoli

hi buldermar what do you think about all this

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:hi buldermar what do you think about all this

What do you think, orcinus?

newb town with good intentions mostly but i wouldn't be opposed

Honestly, Pitoli/Lurker/SD go today and I feel like it's an even chance of hitting scum in all three. Just lynch through that pile until victory because you, me, and buld are all town.

Oh wait malakittens

that doesn't work

let me think

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Oh wait malakittens

that doesn't work

let me think

I knew I forgot something.

Need to investigate Mala.

Buld/Syr:

Who's your 'strongest' town read in pit/lurk/sd/mala

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Buld/Syr:

Who's your 'strongest' town read in pit/lurk/sd/mala

Honestly, Mala.

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Post #1065 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:16 pm

Post #1071 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:13 pm

Buld

Does this strike you as odd? (you sort of have to view the posts to see what i'm talking about, it's the time gap between buld read my request for a massclaim and the time when he actually posted, I find it very suspicious)

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Post #1065 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:16 pm

Post #1071 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:13 pm

Buld

Does this strike you as odd? (you sort of have to view the posts to see what i'm talking about, it's the time gap between buld read my request for a massclaim and the time when he actually posted, I find it very suspicious)

Stand by.

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Post #1065 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:16 pm

Post #1071 » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:13 pm

Buld

Does this strike you as odd? (you sort of have to view the posts to see what i'm talking about, it's the time gap between buld read my request for a massclaim and the time when he actually posted, I find it very suspicious)

It is pretty odd. Considering you claimed two posts after the post he quoted, I find it strange he wouldn't be sure whether "we're doing this or not" until four hours later. Whatcha thinkin?

Buldermar/lurker

Esp given buldermar's focus on Nero over lurker

Nero was a buld NK

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Buldermar/lurker

Esp given buldermar's focus on Nero over lurker

Nero was a buld NK

I'd rather lynch Lurker over buldermar. Your case on buld is kinda shaky.

And what happened to your case on pitoli?

I freely admit my case on buld is shit. sheep me onto the lynch we should've made d1 then.

As in where is it, or why did I end up retracting it?

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I freely admit my case on buld is shit. sheep me onto the lynch we should've made d1 then.

As in where is it, or why did I end up retracting it?

What, Lurker? As I recall, you are the one that caused the D1 lynch to happen.

Also, both.

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Okay

I want to keep fery around for a bit longer because I feel like I can read her better given maybe one more day's data

I feel like we shouldn't lynch fery unless we're convinced beyond doubt

This isn't because I have unrealistic expectations of fery. But with players like Nero and lurker in the game, it's going to be very hard for us to win this game if we mislynch active players

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Personally I think my own flavor is bullshit so I won't call fery out on it

I don't know what I think of fery's role right now. I'll figure it out later.

But my thought still stands that with shitty trolls like Nero and lurker, we should put a vote there today given fery's protown behavior in the last few pages

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I hate people calling out pitoli for 517, she said it was a quick note before she went to bed and I think calling her out for it is opportunistic as fuck

Syryana is probably the same alignment as fery

Honestly speaking fery: how much is the interest of self preservation screwing with your reads right now?

VOTE: Lurker

I feel like we want to policy lynch today and maybe tomorrow will be more productive because I have no freaking clue who anyone is anymore.

I have buldermar town, fery as DON'T WANT TO THINK ABOUT, Syryana completely dependent on Fery's alignment, the rest all varying levels of lean scum

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:If we're going to PL I'd rather lurker over Nero

Nero actually looks like he's been trying (more do than his other games). I think Lurker will be flat out impossible to read. That and I don't like how lurker has been flying under the radar and Nero getting the PL flak when from an objective standpoint lurker is probably a more defendable PL target

Your pitoli argument also applies to Nero jsyk.

SD needs to go back to null I think

Pedit sure

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Lets just clear up where I stand on the whole fery situation and why I don't want her lynch today

If nothing changes, I want fery gone at some point in time. I think she's scummy. Less so than before.

I am, however, unwilling to lynch fery unless I am 100% sure or unless we're heading into lylo or something. This is because of several reasons.

Firstly, keeping fery around gives me a better read not just on her, but also, in the event that she's scum, on other players.

Secondly, we have several players right now that we simply just cannot read. We CANNOT read lurker. We can BARELY read Nero. Bacon is VLA. SD has intellectual lapses.

We need to lynch in lurker and Nero today because we have no way of determining their alliance, no way of ascertaining anything from their posts. This is not true for fery.

Lurker and Nero WILL be lynched at some point in time. Given thei lack of usefulness of their posts, it's best that that lynch happens today

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:fuck you all

i think this is a bad vote

and when ff flips town i will hate all of you

please let me be wrong

VOTE: fery

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:well no actually

i think there is a decent chance of fery flipping scum

i just don't think that this is the correct vote for the day

so yeah actually i'm good with this

Your memory is not too good.

The entirety of my basis of my brief spin on pitoli was based on her avoidance of the fery wagon, her popcorn of Syryana, and her nero vote. Actually, I hate everyone who voted nero and not lurker.

My point was fery wouldn't have hammered herself if you hadn't put her at L-1. But anyways.

So, what did you think of my case against pitoli?

↑ pitoli wrote:

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I also don't like how she popcorned syryana before lurker. Why Syr, she's so incredibly town at this point?

This is bullshit. When you started the popcorn you should have explained the order you wished it to go in, and at least conferred with other players about the order. If the intent was to go from the most scummy -> least scummy then why did you start with Buldermar instead of me if I'm your suspect ATM?

But then this read incredibly noobtown to me and I'm thinking she just legitimately didn't think it over.

The popcorn thing was after I scumread Pitoli today, so I was mostly in a tailspin because of her treatment of the fery wagon. But I thought it relevant to bring up.

↑ Syryana wrote:My point was fery wouldn't have hammered herself if you hadn't put her at L-1. But anyways.

So, what did you think of my case against pitoli?

Well that first point is pretty bullshit. There's no point keeping a suicidal player in town, no matter how good a scumhunter, she was basically pushed to the point of so much frustration. I also felt that town was getting far too bogged up towards her. The fact that BOTH wagons yesterday were on town means that something is off (and on that note it sort of clears me as scum because there isn't a single reason why I wouldn't have pushed for a fery lynch). It's okay, she's learned not to do that anymore.

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

↑ Syryana wrote:My point was fery wouldn't have hammered herself if you hadn't put her at L-1. But anyways.

So, what did you think of my case against pitoli?

Well that first point is pretty bullshit. There's no point keeping a suicidal player in town, no matter how good a scumhunter, she was basically pushed to the point of so much frustration. I also felt that town was getting far too bogged up towards her. The fact that BOTH wagons yesterday were on town means that something is off (and on that note it sort of clears me as scum because there isn't a single reason why I wouldn't have pushed for a fery lynch). It's okay, she's learned not to do that anymore.

Fair enough.

↑ Syryana wrote:

↑ orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

↑ Syryana wrote:

↑ pitoli wrote:
As much as I like people who call me town, I hope you're not basing that purely off of Nero's ISO, that's just insane!!

You won't like me then. You're scum.
VOTE: pitoli

I have my reasons for this, which involve pitoli/me ISO and I will disclose in due course. I want to see orc's reasons first though.

You can do this first

Going back through pitoli ISO...

Got a bad vibe off her early with the terrible RVS wagon comment. The responses she gave afterwards lessened my scumread on her, though looking back now she makes a point to mention she's newbtown in #232, which as of my latest experience has been more of a scumtell than a towntell. Waffles on the fery wagon, pulls a scumread on me when I changed my mind about fery being scum. Waffles on voting me after calling me scum.

I don't like her #576 where she says she didn't know SD was FoSing her. It just kinda comes off as "lol I'm a silly noob ignore me" post.

Blablabla, suddenly she has a scumread on SD. Hmm. More fluff later, she votes Nero. Well, so much for the waffling.

Fluff, fluff, fluff. Then HOLY SHIT #968.

↑ pitoli wrote:
As much as I like people who call me town, I hope you're not basing that purely off of Nero's ISO, that's just insane!!

I don't think Orc whiteknighted anyone... It seemed like yesterday him/Buldermar had some sort of functional coalition to decide who to lynch, but that's far from saying he whiteknighted him or even thought him obvtown.

Nero ISO makes her town? Where the hell did she get this from? Nobody was talking about her being town with Nero ISO.

Then Mala BS. This chick is way scummier than I remembered after going all paranoid on Orc.

VOTE: pitoli

RVS comment: okay.
Lessen: Okay. Saying that you're newbtown is alignment-null.
Fery wagon; Yes, that.
Scumread: it's okay i thought you were scum too, causation isn't established here.
Your questions also were pretty terrible (695)
Voting you: I don't remember this which is weird, can you quote it?
SD: Everyone had a fucking scumread on SD, he just replaced in. This is bad.
Nero: 721 was pretty tongue in cheek lol
968: Townie for suspecting people who are townreading her--that's not what scum does. I think she just misread, which wouldn't be surprising.