Mini 1516: Mafia in Space (Game Over)

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Day 2, Votecount 7

fferyllt [0]

Kid A [2]

ICEninja, TvK

TvK [2]

Regfan, fferyllt

My Milked Eek [0]

penguin_alien [0]

Regfan [0]

ICEninja [1]

Kid A

Garmr [0]

Squirrel Girl [0]

Wake88 [3]

Squirrel Girl, My Milked Eek, Garmr

havingfitz [0]

Not Voting [3]

- penguin_alien, havingfitz, Wake88

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is on December 8th at 11:30 AM PST or in (expired on 2013-12-08 11:30:00)

[Wake1]

Reg, what does your gut say about Kid A's alignment?

Mine says he's Town.

[Wake1]

Kid A, my gut tells me you're Town. Work with me here please.

[Wake1]

Squirrel Girl, if you're reading this please ask me some questions one at a time, too.

[Regfan]

Sure, when you get to a computer will suffice. And what TvK said was I can't really read ICE at this moment. Especially his last couple of posts where he really focuses on Herself. But still, none of his points could maybe convince me to thinking Herself is scummy. which just means that he doesn't think ICE's points were strong. Also running a mason to L-1 =/= pushing a mason at deadline. At L-1 you can still have time to redirect the lynch elsewhere, at deadline there isn't, Herself pushed him at deadline which makes zero sense if he's a mason ergo he's not and you need to read the case on him.

PEdit: Wake, I still read Kid As paranoia as town, I don't really see scum going down the thought process of "Traitor has nightkill, mafia hinting to tratior who to kill". That said I can't deny the fact that a lot of evidence against him is actually decent (ie. His case on ICE/Fitz being dreadful, him popping in minutes after being mentioned but not stating any reads or content just addressing concerns about himself then) so I'm happy just shelving him and focusing on lynching TvK, then if we get a scum flip there which I think we will then interaction-analysis can be used to get a better read on Kid A.

[Squirrel Girl]

Squirrel Girl, if you're reading this please ask me some questions one at a time, too.

No.

[Wake1]

Reg, what do you think would happen if one or both of them flipped Town? Would anyone deal with ramifications?

[Wake1]

And before I forget there's another thing on my mind.

What do you think of the possibility of there also being an Even-Night Vigilante?

If anyone were that role, who would you shoot and why?

Also, I think if there's yet another only one kill Night 2 then we need to reexamine Fitz.

[Regfan]

Reg, what do you think would happen if one or both of them flipped Town? Would anyone deal with ramifications?

I think (or at least hope) there'd be a lot more re-analysing rather than people being lazy.

What do you think of the possibility of there also being an Even-Night Vigilante?

Unlikely. Odd-Even night vig both being in the game would confirm each other as legitimate which is something the mod/reviewers wouldn't want (Especially with masons since it'd create too many confirmable people) but theoretically I'd shoot TvK if we didn't get his lynch today.

[Wake1]

MME, SG, Garmr, would you please summarize your points against me so that I may more easily respond to and them?

[Squirrel Girl]

Are you actually unsure what MME's point against you is?

[Garmr]

ok I will do simple points quickly about my case

.Hunting for roles after everyone decided that was a bad thing. in more ways than one.

.Not caring about who's lynched.(Kid A your town read and you said you would lynch anyone day 1 if they hit l-1)

.After all the information you gathered it seems like your ranking system has ranked everyone with very similar scores being 4 and 5's. You leave this very open and not very telling.

.You gathered all this information but our doing nothing with it.

.Most of your post defenses have been playing to peoples emotional sides and not really facts.

[Garmr]

.You gathered all this information but have being doing nothing with it.

[Garmr]

random mafia tips one

.If your a vig don't shoot obvious town.

.If your inspector don't inspect your Scum reads or town reads inspect ones listed as null seriously you're pretty much fucked for the next day if you don't.

.Bullet proof people should never claim how many times they can be shot if they are X shot keep scum guessing.

.Watchers should watch people who are likely to die. Especially with VI vigs

[My Milked Eek]

Are you actually unsure what MME's point against you is?

I even bolded some stuff

[Garmr]

eek we are both online and you seem to have trouble reading me want some clarification?

[My Milked Eek]

I'm conflicted on you. You made some posts today that make me think you're town and counter the case I made last day. I don't have any questions for you at this point, been caught up on wake the past few pages.

[Garmr]

If i said I now have Tvk as a town read after a reread of him what would you say ???

[TvK]

TvK's continued avoidance of mentioning Garmr is bad, really bad given his "I'll 1 v 1 him" yesterday, if he'd turned around and said something like "I re-read him overnight and think my suspicions there might be wrong" I'd have found it understandable but the lack of mention means that his read would be the same (Strong scum read on him) but isn't one that he's pursuing.

Yes, my read on him is still the same. But what do you except me to do now? I tried yesterday to convince people that Garmr was scum, but apparently I was unable to do so. Garmr's play has been exactly the same as yesterday (except for his move to the Wake wagon and reasons he brought up to do so, which I thought were quite bad), so I also can't bring up new points why I think he's scum. But well, the scum team doesn't exist of Garmr alone, and I guessed looking for the other members couldn't hurt town too much.

[TvK]

And yes, I can see how Wake's reasoning was terrible to get a claim out of Kid A. But I actually do believe Kid A is scum, and I would have loved to see a claim. And I especially do not like the fact that Kid A is kind of let off the hook because Wake's thought process sucks.

[My Milked Eek]

If i said I now have Tvk as a town read after a reread of him what would you say ???

I would ask you what indicated that town read. Do you?

[havingfitz]

Saturday/holiday activities got in the way of games. If I do not get to it today I will re-engage tomorrow. This game is first on my list of catch-ups.

[penguin_alien]

OK, screw the PbP reread. As of reading through N1 my town to scum list is approximately:

fferyllt, Wake88, Regfan, Kid A, Squirrel Girl, Garmr, MME, ICE, TvK, HF

Something that did stick out to me was that Herself said they were definitely town and

that they would never be lynched

. When I read that, it's pretty clearly an IC or Mason claim. I know it's annoying when people act like they don't care about being wagoned and don't engage, but really now. There's a difference between daring people to lynch you and saying you won't be lynched.

On to Day Two.

Not sure what to say at the moment. Bard's self-hammer was horrible. Kid A suddenly coming in and voting Fitz does not look good in my opinion. I think it's pretty safe to say Fitz is town.

This is an interestingly firm conclusion.

Cases at the beginning of the day on Kid A and TvK scan to me. ICE seems less scummy.

Welcome, penguin. I'd like you to address how insanely scummy Kid A is, followed by your vote placed on him. Several of the main points about him can be found in my case.

I would also like to hear your opinion about fitz's claim of odd night vig, and the resulting n1 death of only 1 person, his strongest scum read.

I'm sure Squirrel Girl, as well as myself, would like to hear what you think about her case against Wake, the largest point of which is expressed in detail here.

Regfan's biggest scum read is TvK, and I suspect the both of us would appreciate your thoughts on his summary of TvK's scumminess in his most recent post.

That should cover the major current lynch possibilities.

So...Kid A's power slip does look pretty darn bad. I don't see any way I won't be suspicious of him down the road, which makes me inclined to vote him today.

I think I've expressed my thoughts on HF. I don't currently think lynching him is a good idea, if only because the discussion of his prospective targets Day Three should be informative.

SG has points about Wake88 not really committing to reads. And I hate the mason spec after Garmr got smacked down for doing the same thing. I think I'd still rather vote Kid A or TvK, although if TvK were to flip scum it would cast an interesting light on Wake88's mason-IDing ploy.

The TvK case isn't bad. Inconsistency is more of a town trait in my mind, given that scum might be more inclined to have easily remembered artificial stances, but flipping on TSB's slot when the lynch was ready to happen is less townie. I wouldn't cry over his lynch.

Only thing with TvK is that given the heat he's under, I'm not sure what the motivation is to refute Wake88's case. The townie thing to do would be to ignore it, sure, but doing so from a scum perspective would have the advantage of looking townie and hoping to draw the counterclaim. With daytalk available for consulting I have a hard time thinking TvK would squander the opportunity, especially since his buddies would likely tell him that reducing the scum's pool of targets would be seen as more scummy.

fitz is scum with ice

im trying to figure out if theres a scum #3 or not

This is massive backtracking from the 'powerful scum team' stance. Two scum in a 13p game would need to be absurdly powerful given site meta just to hold their own; being two-strong doesn't correlate to 'powerful' in my book.

fferyllt, you mention seeing Kid A as scum in one newbie. I'll check that out, but if you're so inclined I'd be interested in your opinion about how his play here in Mini 1458 compares (it's only Day One, if that helps) to stuff here. Actually, skimming that newbie game doesn't show me anything that makes me think there's no way he's scum here. I don't mind the lynch at all.

SG, my issue was that the statement seemed demoralizing. I don't mind it so much at this point because you didn't use it as an excuse to completely disengage.

I'd vote TvK or Kid A today. I'd like to hear more about why fferyllt doesn't like the Kid A case and whether that's shifted at all though.

[fferyllt]

PA the reason I don't want to lynch Kid A today is because I just can't quite see his crazy set-up theories and his ICEninja suspicions coming from scum. Some of his posts really bug me, and I did have him as scum prior to the wild speculations. I'm a lot more confident that TvK will flip scum than Kid A.

[TvK]

Is there actually anyone who sees me and Kid A on the same team? Of the people that have both of us as their top scum reads?