Marvel Avengers Alliance - Game over

[T S O]

I dunno, Thor. I really, really want to call you Town but all I remember is Hillbilly Hunt and you doing to me what you're doing to CTD, what you're so damn effective at, and you were scum.

Convince me.

[T S O]

Talk to me about Bulba too, I don't know what to think of him

[Thor665]

I'm talking the Antihero one - it's the big dog in the room right now.

[jasonT1981]

Day 3 Vote Count 15

AntiHero 4 - penguin_alien, BROseidon, smargaret,CrashTextDummie
CrashTextDummy 3 - Bulbazak,Thor665,AntiHero
smargaret 2 - T S O,PeregrineV,

Not Voting

with 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

(expired on 2014-04-02 16:40:08)

till Day 3 Deadline

[Thor665]

I dunno, Thor. I really, really want to call you Town but all I remember is Hillbilly Hunt and you doing to me what you're doing to CTD, what you're so damn effective at, and you were scum.

Convince me.

Your case is based on paranoia.
Your paranoia exists because I do what I do as town when I'm scum.
If there was a "look, it's obvious that Thor is town/scum" aspect to my play that I knew about I would have already changed my scum game to compensate for it because I'm not a lackwit.
Therefore, I can't help you.

I would note that at least I don't tend to defend scumbuddies and I do tend to white knight - so regardless you can take my Antihero read at face value regardless of suspicions of my alignment. Beyond that...nothing.

I do think CTD looks pretty wonky though, I think anyone reading him should see it. Why don't you?

Talk to me about Bulba too, I don't know what to think of him

I've been in a couple of concurrent Bulba games, some are over others are ongoing. Ah...the best scumtell I can place on him is that he's sorta buddying me. That said, his sort of dig in the heels aggro debates mixed with being a lurcksack feels in line with town Bulba more than scum Bulba.

Gun to my head I'd guess he's more likely to be town than scum, but I don't claim to have a massive skill at reading him either and if he flipped scum i would not be surprised. I'll admit I felt the way he moved onto CTD when and how he did it looked generically town (insomuch as I would call that a town tell from anyone doing that move at that stage of the gamestate) because functionally he picked one of the tougher wagons in the room and went after it.

I'll agree he's not sweating town energy, but I would tend to avoid a wagon on him today on the presumption it would end badly.

[Antihero]

i'm a VT, so someone should feel free to hammer. i guess the silver lining is that all the PRs still get to keep cover.

Antihero, you coming in and being all like "Hey, guys fuck you, I have nothing to explain. I haven't done shit. Fuck you. Bye!" is doing you no favours. You're engaging with no-one and yet you're surprised when you're being scumread? If you want to dissipate that scumread, then step the fuck up.

well, this game kind of got away from me in that regard.
i'm "lost" my own self-defense argument because i guess all this stuff is obvious to me, just not anyone else. plus scum are doing a pretty good job making bad cases, so i let myself get outscummed.

parting reads:
don't ever lynch thor. ever. i've also dropped my scumread on bulba. don't lynch him ever either.

my whole wagon looks pretty damn sketchy to me. maybe Bro might be the most town looking one, but everyone else is pretty suspect. investigative roles need to get all over this, because my wagon has a bad case of scum infestation.

off the wagon, there's a chance that peregrine's scum. he hasn't been bad, but the stuff his slot did was pretty scummy.

[Thor665]

Well, pretty much all he did was claim VT and then repeat a number of my reads.
I'll admit that tends to make me feel happy thoughts towards him.
We still have about 6 hours if people want to do a sudden spin desperation scramble no time for claim wagon on CTD.

[PeregrineV]

Well, pretty much all he did was claim VT and then repeat a number of my reads.
I'll admit that tends to make me feel happy thoughts towards him.
We still have about 6 hours if people want to do a sudden spin desperation scramble no time for claim wagon on CTD.

Since that won't really happen, if you vote Smararet that will make it a real contest, no?

[Thor665]

No, it wouldn't.

[Thor665]

Let's see, Anti hasn't called Smarg town and in fact calls her scummy. So, basically if he moved to her, and then I moved to her, that would make it a contest between Anti and Smar with Bulba as the deciding vote and Bulba has called Smarg a town read.

What's your scenario where the Smarg lynch happens? Someone gets off an L-1 wagon to vote an alternate wagon to L-1?

[Thor665]

Meanwhile, my scenario only requires one of the Smarg voters to town read Anti hero (or both) or for one (or two) of the Anti voters to get cold feet with their current vote.
My toughest cliff is getting people to hammer without a claim.
But I've gotten that to happen before (or *have* I...CTD should meta dive me!)

[Antihero]

Well, pretty much all he did was claim VT and then repeat a number of my reads.
I'll admit that tends to make me feel happy thoughts towards him.
We still have about 6 hours if people want to do a sudden spin desperation scramble no time for claim wagon on CTD.

LOLWAT?
i already claimed and accepted my lynch, it's bad form to switch at this point.

actually, i want to kind of revise my reads. there's a good chance TSO is scum.

tomorrow, i urge everyone to look back at what happened and not just rationalize it (like TSO is doing). there's no real reason to lynch me, but scum (hint: CTD) has managed to push one just because i did things that are "scumtells" by themselves but don't really have any scum motivation behind them

[Antihero]

not sold on a marge lynch at all

[Thor665]

Well, I think your TSO read is really bad, he's one of my strongest town reads. What do you think I'm missing there?

[Antihero]

most of his activity looks like just treading water
now that it looks like i'm getting lynched, he's rationalizing it instead of recognizing the crap cases for what they were

[Thor665]

I found him to mostly be bought into the Smarg situation.
I'll agree he hasn't exactly fought for you - but I hardly think that's a new thing and I'm not sure why him being generically okay with your lynch equates to a scumtell.

I also find him to be the single player most interested in trying to understand other people's thoughts. Not the fake way that CTD does it (score!) but an actual interest in examining and understanding a stance.

[Thor665]

Honestly, I think I'm the only one who has actively disagreed with your lynch, now that I think about it.
So, people being 'meh' on you seems to be the norm.

[Antihero]

eh, you have a point.

[CrashTextDummie]

Why are you talking about hammering me without a claim, Thor? If people want me to claim, they should get a move on within the next 2 hours. I have choir practice after that and would probably only be able to drop in once during break.

I've made it clear that I prefer a Smargaret lynch, I think she's more likely to flip scum. But I am fine with lynching a vanilla claim, particularly one this lackluster (no flavor) and particularly off of Anti's recent play.

Anti, why are you not sold on a Smarg lynch all of a sudden? You were fine with her lynch a while ago and have called her a scum read since you replaced in.

Why do you see me as the primary pusher of your wagon? I moved to you as a compromise and was the only player giving you the benefit of the doubt and not jumping down your throat immediately after your still unexplained vote.

[Antihero]

i just did a double ISO and a CTD/peregrine scumteam actually makes a lot of sense

you should check it out, thor

[T S O]

most of his activity looks like just treading water
now that it looks like i'm getting lynched, he's rationalizing it instead of recognizing the crap cases for what they were

re: my activity, you're pretty right, I'm not finding it that easy to engage and there's no real benefit to tunneling smargaret because she won't respond and the case is rather good.

remind me what rationalization is? because I haven't been promoting your wagon, if that's what it means.

pedit: you're on!

[Antihero]

Why are you talking about hammering me without a claim, Thor? If people want me to claim, they should get a move on within the next 2 hours. I have choir practice after that and would probably only be able to drop in once during break.

I've made it clear that I prefer a Smargaret lynch, I think she's more likely to flip scum. But I am fine with lynching a vanilla claim, particularly one this lackluster (no flavor) and particularly off of Anti's recent play.

Anti, why are you not sold on a Smarg lynch all of a sudden? You were fine with her lynch a while ago and have called her a scum read since you replaced in.

Why do you see me as the primary pusher of your wagon? I moved to you as a compromise and was the only player giving you the benefit of the doubt and not jumping down your throat immediately after your still unexplained vote.

so, you're cool with lynching someone because they played badly. that's a great reason.

you completely jumped down my throat immediately. i think i "picked a bouquet of scumpoints" or something like that.
also, you are the sole reason i dislike the marge lynch because now i think you're just setting yourself up to "default" to that vote tomorrow.

[CrashTextDummie]

I am cool with lynching someone who placed an opportunistic and reactionary vote that did not make sense to me in the context of what they said previously, and that you have still have not yet even attempted to explain.

I am cool with lynching someone who placed a L-2 vote and then basically says "there's not much to point out that would indicate CTD-scum, because he's smoke screening, because he's scum!" and can't even point out why he thinks I'm smoke screening.

I am cool with lynching someone who's sole defense for scummy behavior is "I didn't try to take town credit!" and "I didn't go for the easy lynch!" and "You're using circular reasoning!" when I did not.

I am cool with lynching someone who doesn't claim fully when put at L-1.

I could go on, but yes I'm cool.

I have tried to get Smargaret lynched for almost the entirety of the day and evidently it didn't bother you back when she was at L-1 and you already had a "gut scum" read on me. There is absolutely zero "setting up" when it comes to my play.

[CrashTextDummie]

I am also cool with lynching someone who uses the defense "my vote only looked scummy, but I had no scum motivation", because that scum logic.

Leaving the house now, only phone posts from here on out.

[Antihero]

none of those are good reasons and i did claim

oh, so it's scummy that i didn't claim the flavor name as a VT? pulling. stuff. out. of. your. ass. and it's very, very transparent. and there's a very simple reason for a scum-you to do that. because you're doing what it takes to get those mislynches.

...also, for all this bluster, you never really push down on the throttle for this lynch. It's not that YOU'RE scumreading me and YOU are confident that i'll flip scum. it's that

I

defended myself poorly.

I'M

responsible for this mislynch. gives you plausible deniability, and your sub-conscience is betraying your mindset of avoiding all accountability for this lynch because you know exactly what i'm going to flip