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The last scum if ZZZX is scum, would have to break the cycle of night actions but it is impossible.

You don't trust me yet TSO did even when I tunneled him like fucking hell.

Its sad.

I don't need to tryst you when scum cannot win.

↑ Titus wrote:I don't need to tryst you when scum cannot win.

I still don't trust you are town. If I knew for 100% I would get lynched as a PoE and not care about it.

↑ ZZZX wrote:

↑ Titus wrote:I don't need to tryst you when scum cannot win.

I still don't trust you are town. If I knew for 100% I would get lynched as a PoE and not care about it.

What about this? Your lynch confirms Turkish as town.

↑ Titus wrote:If ZZZX flips town (which I doubt) then Spruce and Toasty have to be the scums. Mala would be confirmed inno.

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

↑ ZZZX wrote:

↑ Titus wrote:I don't need to tryst you when scum cannot win.

I still don't trust you are town. If I knew for 100% I would get lynched as a PoE and not care about it.

What about this? Your lynch confirms Turkish as town.

↑ Titus wrote:If ZZZX flips town (which I doubt) then Spruce and Toasty have to be the scums. Mala would be confirmed inno.

I have abilities able to confirm 1-2 players as town/scum and/or get rid of another wining us 2 lynches ina day instead of one.

↑ ZZZX wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

↑ ZZZX wrote:

↑ Titus wrote:I don't need to tryst you when scum cannot win.

I still don't trust you are town. If I knew for 100% I would get lynched as a PoE and not care about it.

What about this? Your lynch confirms Turkish as town.

↑ Titus wrote:If ZZZX flips town (which I doubt) then Spruce and Toasty have to be the scums. Mala would be confirmed inno.

I have abilities able to confirm 1-2 players as town/scum and/or get rid of another wining us 2 lynches ina day instead of one.

I'm OK with it taking longer. Explain how you can confirm 1-2 more people with vig and a roleblock and a BP?

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

↑ ZZZX wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

↑ ZZZX wrote:

↑ Titus wrote:I don't need to tryst you when scum cannot win.

I still don't trust you are town. If I knew for 100% I would get lynched as a PoE and not care about it.

What about this? Your lynch confirms Turkish as town.

↑ Titus wrote:If ZZZX flips town (which I doubt) then Spruce and Toasty have to be the scums. Mala would be confirmed inno.

I have abilities able to confirm 1-2 players as town/scum and/or get rid of another wining us 2 lynches ina day instead of one.

I'm OK with it taking longer. Explain how you can confirm 1-2 more people with vig and a roleblock and a BP?

Roleblock: If used then I old the target I can confirm one player as town if someone is killed at the night.
Kill: I can possibly confirm a commuter etc or use it as a 2nd lynch
BP: I can basically be used as a confirmed town and use this to protect me just before lylo for great results.

First we don't need 2 lynches in a day. We need just enough to catch scum.

Roleblock is not needed as the cycle works fine without you.

BP does not confirm you as town. Scum can nk.

The setup you have is perfect for scum.

A team's nk is your vig. You then no kill and roleblock a townie to win.

Well the rb would be a lie but still

↑ ZZZX wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

↑ ZZZX wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

↑ ZZZX wrote:

↑ Titus wrote:I don't need to tryst you when scum cannot win.

I still don't trust you are town. If I knew for 100% I would get lynched as a PoE and not care about it.

What about this? Your lynch confirms Turkish as town.

↑ Titus wrote:If ZZZX flips town (which I doubt) then Spruce and Toasty have to be the scums. Mala would be confirmed inno.

I have abilities able to confirm 1-2 players as town/scum and/or get rid of another wining us 2 lynches ina day instead of one.

I'm OK with it taking longer. Explain how you can confirm 1-2 more people with vig and a roleblock and a BP?

Roleblock: If used then I old the target I can confirm one player as town if someone is killed at the night.
Kill: I can possibly confirm a commuter etc or use it as a 2nd lynch
BP: I can basically be used as a confirmed town and use this to protect me just before lylo for great results.

Who would you roleblock tonight if Turkish were lynched?

Kill- When would this be useful at this point? We can lynch spruce instead of trying to NK him.

BP- you can block a kill on yourself for one night. The probalem is if your not town, this helps us not at all.

We need others confirmed by you in order to confirm you. Right now, lynching you confirms Turkish.

Catch up post.

↑ ZZZX wrote:yet you guys want to lynch me?
FFS Lol I can prove my allignment by roleblocking a tracker since scum shouldnt have 2 roleblockers should they?

I find spruce scummier tbh. However I don't think you roleblocking a tracker would confirm anything. We'd probably be better off having a tracker who could, you know, track.

↑ PeregrineV wrote:I don;t like Turkish Van's low activity this game. It's a little target-rich environment for catching scum, so leaving the room to get a drink of water seems suspect.

But if ZZZX actually cop cleared then, then this is irrelevant (barring a godfather type role I suppose)

↑ Titus wrote:PV, if there's a kill in my setup, it must be Mala or ZZZX. If Spruce tries to kill, Toasty makes him kill himself. You track Toasty to verify redirect. PM watches me. I heal you.

It is choose "Player A," redirect their action to "Player B"Have you played with a redirector before?
Also Spruce has commuter.

↑ PeregrineV wrote:Who would you roleblock tonight if Turkish were lynched?

Why would we lynch someone who got investigated?

I have played with a redirector before but they are relatively rare on mafiascum. There's nothing barring such a thing on the wiki. In fact, the language is similar for barring a "self-target" as it is barring a redirector in a setup with a serial killer.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Redirector

There's the wiki.

I'm not being lynched

WE agree on that.

Who do you think should be?

I think ZZZX but Toasty's response is very chilling.

I've never seen a redirector that could target themselves.

I have. Does your role PM forbid it?

↑ ToastyToast wrote:It is choose "Player A," redirect their action to "Player B"

So yes.

↑ ToastyToast wrote:

↑ ToastyToast wrote:It is choose "Player A," redirect their action to "Player B"

So yes.

So have you confirmed with Majiffy that you cannot be "Player B"?

Yeah. Sorry I've never played in a game where a redirector could target themselves, so I didn't think my role PM was abnormal.

↑ ToastyToast wrote:I think this confirms that Spruce and ZZZX are the last scum.

If you can't redirect actions to yourself, then I suppose redirect these 2 to each other.

so we can do either of the following:

lynch someone
or
no lynch.


at this point apathy has set in.

I believe Spruce.
I believe Titus.
I kinda half believe Toasty, but not really.

I don't believe one of {PM/Perev} and I'm eh on ZZZX.

I'm with you there, Turk. Mostly. I think it best we go for a lynch.

I'd believe PM over Pere based on Pere's lie, but Pere over PM on strategic play. But then that's a reason I've doubts about Titus too - I can see where TSO/Titus was trying to get PM or myself to claim Doc so he could counterclaim, but then he didn't counterclaim on SKOT, and he and Toasty went anti-town on the claims anyway in the final analysis, insisting everyone claim but themselves. It sure leaves Titus looking Docish, though Indie or Scum Doc, to me. And I think you're right that one of PM, Pere, or ZZZX have to be lying as well.

So we've a choice between 3 liars (Toasty, Pere, and Titus), with Pere's lie at least giving us Scum SKOT, and 3 investigators (PM, Pere, and ZZZX) where we've already had 2 legitimate ones. Then I still accept the premise that one of Titus or ZZZX may be Indie/Neutral and left alone for now.

ETA: Titus has a plan of night action, and ZZZX has a plan of night action, but it's very difficult to believe either plan is anything but self-serving for their own survival, based on how each has obviously played to that condition thus far.