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As of right now, I'd be okay with Ranger lynch, but we have plenty of time. I'm not going to put off until deadline though.

Joe, can you say what that is? Or no?

I think it would be best for town not to give that information as if I am right scum can kill a PR. All I can say is I think I figured out who is our PR that saved someone last night by a roleblock or doc.

Mmkay.

In post 1147, MagnaofIllusion wrote:At this point I’d like to see any sort of reasons from anyone as to why Lilith is scum.

There's not really any sort of attempt from Lilith to gamesolve, or even much in the way of evidence that she to gamesolve. Most of her energy seems focused on parrying the Ranger attack and the discredit-y, "she's bad at reading me!" line of logic itself is pretty bad:

In post 978, lilith2013 wrote:I mean, Ranger, you've literally just decided that I must be scum and no matter what the NK was supposed to be, I'm scum, based on, what exactly? And you've also decided that Magna must be scum (in E1), no matter what?

I thought you were bad at reading me but you've been getting better recently; this "certainty" paramount to tunneling basically confirms you're scum for me.

VOTE: Ranger

In post 1081, lilith2013 wrote:I just can't understand why Ranger is tunneling on me so hard, because she knows that she usually scumreads me as town and even admitted it! But here there's none of that, instead it doesn't seem like she's even bothered to consider anyone else.

The Kuroi kill makes no sense whatsoever from any perspective.

Nudging the idea that the gladiator flip and setup spec shouldn't incriminate Snarky also doesn't sit well with me, particularly since we never really hear what exactly the redemptive qualities of Snarky's play are (of which, I think there are very few).

Fine. Put me at L-1.

MagnaofIllusion wrote:What I have seen so far is Ranger giving fluff generic reasoning with no backing or support whatsoever.

The case on lilith is that she is scum in both earths, your scumbuddy in earth 1, but still scum on this earth.

In post 1148, Javajoe24 wrote:In that case, I have a sneaking suspicion on something....

intent to hammer ranger

Did you miss this ranger??

In post 1155, Ranger wrote:The case on lilith is that she is scum in both earths, your scumbuddy in earth 1, but still scum on this earth.

And this is why Ranger is scum. This isn’t a case but Appeal to Repitition – if she keeps saying Lilith is scum then people will hopefully stop asking for pesky details like supporting evidence to back it up.

Look back over Ranger’s posts and find something in her ISO that shows actual scum motivation from things Lilith posted. Spoiler alert – you will not. All you will see is generic fluff like “her interaction with MoI shows she’s scum”.

She’s praying her reputation will help propel her mislynch past her inability to actually form a case.

And then you have the nagging rolefishing she’s been trying to gloss over as “important to her super top sekrit theory”.

Vote her.

In post 1153, TellTaleHeart wrote:There's not really any sort of attempt from Lilith to gamesolve, or even much in the way of evidence that she wants to gamesolve. Most of her energy seems focused on parrying the Ranger attack and the discredit-y, "she's bad at reading me!" line of logic itself is pretty bad:

I disagree. While I don’t think her start of day 2 play was all that good it definitely showed a willingness to investigate the game-state. Much more so than slots like Java or, even frankly, yours.

In post 1153, TellTaleHeart wrote:Nudging the idea that the gladiator flip and setup spec shouldn't incriminate Snarky also doesn't sit well with me, particularly since we never really hear what exactly the redemptive qualities of Snarky's play are (of which, I think there are very few).

Do you think Snarky is a scum gladiator? I haven’t seen anything out of you indicating this. In fact your claimed choice of shot indicates you were Town reading Snarky before Kuroi’s flip.

In post 1158, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I haven’t seen anything out of you indicating this.

Well here it is now. I think Snarky might be a scum gladiator. There's also this and Kuroi's townflip since so quit being a smartass.

In post 1034, TellTaleHeart wrote:

In post 1030, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Snarky's handling of gladiator ability while at L-1 reads pretty town.

I'm not sure if I agree with that. It wiped the VC slate clean and he sure did cut it close to deadline.

In post 1149, MagnaofIllusion wrote:

In post 1148, Javajoe24 wrote:In that case, I have a sneaking suspicion on something....

intent to hammer ranger

Ranger is at L-2. Clumsy unvoted. So you can't exactly hammer him.

Never mind, I missed this. In that case

VOTE: ranger

JavaJoe wrote:Did you miss this ranger?

Did you miss me already having claimed, Javajoe?

Intent implies there's something you're waiting for.

The only thing there would be to wait on from me is my theory.
Which, quite explicitly, I say should wait until after massclaim.
Because I've already given everything else relevant.
MagnaofIllusion is town this earth.
I firmly believe you are also town.
TellTaleHeart is confirmed town.
Ergo, {SnarkySnowman, Clumsy, lilith} has the two scum.
And my vote's on {Clumsy, lilith}.

Hey guess what Ranger, both of your scumreads are wrong! I wonder why that is? Oh yeah, you're scum.

I am totally in agreement with Magna here in that Ranger just keeps repeating that I'm scum without backing it up, and she doesn't even seem to be trying to persuade people to join my wagon like I think she would if she were genuinely scumreading me.

In post 1161, Ranger wrote:

JavaJoe wrote:Did you miss this ranger?

Did you miss me already having claimed, Javajoe?

Intent implies there's something you're waiting for.

The only thing there would be to wait on from me is my theory.
Which, quite explicitly, I say should wait until after massclaim.
Because I've already given everything else relevant.
MagnaofIllusion is town this earth.
I firmly believe you are also town.
TellTaleHeart is confirmed town.
Ergo, {SnarkySnowman, Clumsy, lilith} has the two scum.
And my vote's on {Clumsy, lilith}.

Why not SS? He is a confirmed gladiator which another town gladiator has been lynched? You think there are two town gladiators?

TTH is not confirmed town. It looks good because of the claim, but we're not at 100% there because the scum aren't going to stand up and claim that their kill didn't go through. If Ranger flips scum, we should look into this.

It also seems like Ranger is holding her theory for ransom for the Mass claim. If she is scum, she could be searching for the doctor for her partner.

Pedit Good question. Work time, but I'm liking Joe more and more.

I get that if you're actually Town Ranger, the mass claim is integral to your theory, but I don't like the way it looks right now

In post 1166, Clumsy wrote:It also seems like Ranger is holding her theory for ransom for the Mass claim. If she is scum, she could be searching for the doctor for her partner.

This. I mean I've already pointed out how she constructed this careful analysis of when and if certain power-roles should claim or not claim based on the situation and then turned around 180 to hop on a a mass-claim train when Java claimed VT and advocated it.

It just doesn't makes sense from a Town perspective to whiplash your opinion that quickly. Her excuse of "Oh, a single other VT claim is huge and I have this sekrit theory that absolutely requires mass-claiming" feels very much like she saw a chance to hunt the Town protective role via claims when Java posted and is bullshitting the reason for her change of stance.

Java, why the unvote?

I think Snarky is due a prod by this point ...

I don't have anything new to add at the moment.

In post 1173, SnarkySnowman wrote:I don't have anything new to add at the moment.