In post 864, Ranger wrote:PantherPunt wrote:She acknowledges that there are pages worth of content since then. She doesn't acknowledge that she's using that information to inform her reads. She said she had me and Dunn near the bottom earlier on, and she is going to make cases on us when she's in the mood (assumingly off of content that causes her to put as that bottom as well as the "pages worth of content" since she made the read).
Your point being?
When I make a case, I make a case off of all (or at least, most--sometimes I exclude content which I have gone into great length in my commentaries, as it'd be redundant) content, past (prior to stating a read), present (during the time of the read), and relative-future (content given after the read). This gives the full portrait of the player. I explain what caused the read. I explain why that read continued to exist. I then also explain why I continue to uphold it. Or, in the rare cases where I've had a change of opinion off of the content posted between my reads and my case (it
does
happen!), I explain why I'm
not
continuing that read.
This is, frankly, the one and only logical way to present a case.
1) You say you provide reasons when asked. You were asked and you didn't.
I provided most of my reasons when asked, along with a promise to deliver the other asked reasons at a later date. A delay in giving content is not an absence of ability to produce content.
2) I am aware that you have, in the past, posted read lists with no thought process as town, yes. You are construing this into a logical fallacy whereby I called you lock scum for that reason. When you, yourself, acknowledge that you open games that way as both town and scum.
You scumreading ME on the basis that I should KNOW you're CAPABLE of posting read lists without thought processes as town is, simply put, laughable
Again, you're misconstruing the point I'm making.
The entirety of your push against me was "Ranger has not produced content".
This was your stated reason for suspecting me.
Inherent to that is a necessity, a MUST, that you then HAVE to believe
the act of not giving content is scummy
. This is a simple truth.
My point is that you have
seen me not giving content as town
, and therefore the basis of your read is BS that you KNOW is BS. You pushed something you know is a nulltell, as if it were a scumtell.
How would you expect me to read you as town when you devote time to fluffing it up but you won't devote time to solving the game.
One, prior to giving my reasons for most of my reads, off of my lists. I am held accountable for every read I make, be it town or scum. This is one reason why Florestan is basically the only player attacking/voting me that I
don't
hold issue with, because this is what Florestan did: looked at my readslist, disagreed with the reads, and come to the conclusion I must be scum because of them.
Two, after giving my reasons for most of my reads, off of them.
I have not explained a grand total of six reads:
One, Chip Butty, wasted effort given the near-universal townread on him, yet who I specifically said I'd explain if I was asked to anyway. Nobody has.
Two, BTD6, a nulltownread, who I specifically say there's not much TO read. I also said I'd explain if I was asked to.
Three, duppin, a nullread, who I went into the generals of by pointing out the basis of my read, but not the specifics. I also offered to explain if I was asked to. As per the above two, nobody has.
Four, five, and six, my three scumreads, who I deliberately held off on explaining.
That's five reads I've gone into lengths about you can read me on, three reads you can ASK me to go on about, one which I already half-explained and a second which I partially-explained. In short, basically almost every player, except for three. You can read me off of all of that.
You're choosing not to.
Kuroi wrote:If she nailed all scum, then everyone else is scum by elimination, and she only mentioned me.
The reason for this is simple: I'm
not
scumreading the other players. (Save Scott, who is nullscum.) The other players were also not relevant to the current discussion, whereas you were. And you are a scumread. I just don't think you're actually scum, because there can be only three scum. If I was wrong on any of my core three, I'd immediately be looking into their interactions with you and vice-versa to see if you fit as a scumbuddy.
PantherPunt wrote:Are you even reading posts prior to giving your made up interpretations?
I do admit I skim a little, and did not see the second-to-last line. I skipped straight from the paragraph to the conclusion, missing that line altogether. The other line you highlight I do not see as saying ploben must be town, because it still follows from his prior statement and point.
Regardless, this is now irrelevant. I stand by my statement on Shadow being town, and I stand by my assessment of liking his push on Alpaca (now Kuroi). This is not diminished by his apparently townread on ploben. He does not need to see everything I see, have every read I do, in order for me to think that his push is immensely town.