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Please don't attack me, for I'm not attacking you.

The reason I can't elaborate is because I don't understand what you were asking in post 1109. I have politely asked you to restate it.

I am not superior to you and getting angry will not help you win this game regardless of your alignment. However, ignoring what I've said earlier to dodge the question will help you lose as scum.

Yeah, you're not attacking me at all.
Ok restating it so you understand

HS SAY VEDITH BAD CAUSE VEDITH DULL
VEDITH ACT DULL HS SAY VEDITH GOOD
IF JESTER WRONG OK JUST ASK

Maybe just lynching shadow is correct, regardless.

Parama is not wrong that it's very strange to say "Why are you doing something that will just get you NKed?" to someone you're scumreading.

The town-shadow explanation there is that he finds Cerb's behavior odd and was poking at oddities without really thinking through the implications of them, which weighs against the probability that scum-shadow was poking at him in an effort to appear townish and did so in a very clumsy way. I don't think it's quite the smoking gun Parama is making it out to be, but meh.

I still don't like jester's early play and I don't have any terribly fuzzy feeling about MDS either. I think scum-MDS would probably have held out for just a bit, but if there was already a pre-established pairing plan, that may have itself looked suspicious. Jester's "In fact I know you do, therefore my question should be: are you brave enough?" bit makes a show of saying "I'm totes going to be sorting you (because I am town)," which is counterproductive to any real attempt to establish a read. I'm treating 17 as a joke, but I find it strange that no one jumped on that. It's exactly the sort of low-hanging-fruit comment that usually attracts a scumread nibble. I'm also concerned that pretty much everyone had jester/mds as some level of scumread, but they didn't get any real attention at dance-start.

tl;dr: down for lynching either of those pairs, somewhat prefer jester. Ended up with much more text than I'd like.

kind of meandered from my original thought there.

@jester
Do I really have to respond to this, guys?
I think there's better things you can do than insult my intelligence, especially if you really are town.

At the time you asked, I hadn't expressed a townread for Vedith, so the question is invalid because your argument uses it as a foundation.
Since then, however, I have changed my mind and can consider Vedith town if Mariar flips scum. I have expressed this opinion clearly in thread and I don't think it's a stretch to reach that conclusion.

In post 1147, Vedith wrote:Right guys, lets not post until SAD is ready for us to.
GTFO

So much this. If you don't wanna read replace the fuck out.

The only way maria is scum is if she's scum with shadow and behaved very suboptimally.

If shadow is town, there's no way maria chooses him over sicko. He's likely to get her lynched and she has to anger the town to pick him over sicko. If shadow is scum, she gains so, so, so much from bussing him there and loses so little.

@HS Notice that I didn't ask you to elaborate. I got what you meant the first time around but you insisted that I'm scum for not responding to you with further explanation to my question so I did what you asked me. I don't need this discussion to go any further.
The worst thing is I think you may actually be town. And there's nothing worse than an overzealous, self-righteous townie.

Shadow step, you know first hand what kind of damage that attitude can have to town.
SAD has a very valid point. Conciseness is a virtue, and a bogged thread with pages and pages of useless posts is a massive demotivating factor to any budding townie looking for scum.
Scum don't need to read the thread, they already know everybody's alignment.

@jester
I'm not angry at you, you're angry at me.

In post 1156, Kagami wrote:The only way maria is scum is if she's scum with shadow and behaved very suboptimally.

If shadow is town, there's no way maria chooses him over sicko. He's likely to get her lynched and she has to anger the town to pick him over sicko. If shadow is scum, she gains so, so, so much from bussing him there and loses so little.

This post makes no sense whatsoever. If you scum read me it shouldn't matter what Maria's alignment is at all.

@HS to put it simply, this useless talk could've ended with your #1100 but you just had to provoke me in #1118. Get what I mean? Ok let's stop this.

In post 1158, Human Sequencer wrote:Shadow step, you know first hand what kind of damage that attitude can have to town.
SAD has a very valid point. Conciseness is a virtue, and a bogged thread with pages and pages of useless posts is a massive demotivating factor to any budding townie looking for scum.
Scum don't need to read the thread, they already know everybody's alignment.

@jester
I'm not angry at you, you're angry at me.

You're stuck in a tunnel with regard to me. So why do you care what I think? The other thing is when town is hyper posting scum find it very hard to blend in. Doesn't happen with everyone. But it does.

I care what you think because a positive thread with positive posts makes a more entertaining game.

1152

is a holy fucking misrep. I was scum reading Cerb because he wanted to pair with the IC, how the hell can you say that I already scum read him? BS
also please explain how scum! Me gains any town points by poking Cerb?

That is exactly what parama has been saying and it's not wrong. 165 indicates a scum-read of some level on cerb, 212 is the infamous "why pair with IC and be NKed?"

In post 1161, Shadow_step wrote:You're stuck in a tunnel with regard to me. So why do you care what I think? The other thing is when town is hyper posting scum find it very hard to blend in. Doesn't happen with everyone. But it does.

Yes everyone hyper posting has to be town

How about you help us dense people in the crowd by going to your scum PT and copying and pasting the other two scum so you make it easier for us dull witted people?

Okay new plan.

I only talk in the PT and inspector relays my thoughts so I no longer have to deal with some of the obnoxious people in this thread.

@HS first you are convinced I'm scum,

then you say clogging the thread up helps scum and

then you are trying to convince me that clogging the thread is a bad thing and I shouldn't do it cause it deters town.

If you think I'm scum why do you think I'd listen to you?
Should I take this as a slip that you know I'm town which is why you are asking me?

This is literally what Parama's case is.

@arthur I was actually considering a plan like that before
No thanks though.

@shadow
This is a misrepresentation.
I want a positive thread with positive players-- regardless of alignment.

SAD I've already said if you don't wanna read feel free to fuck off.
Transcend and I have caught scum just by that method. We ain't making shit up. If you don't like it, it's your problem.

@HS, why would I give you what you want if I'm scum?
I want to deter town remember.

In post 1164, Kagami wrote:That is exactly what parama has been saying and it's not wrong. 165 indicates a scum-read of some level on cerb, 212 is the infamous "why pair with IC and be NKed?"

Didn't answer the question.
In what world does saying a point = scum read?

I still think Shadow's town.

In post 146, The_Jester wrote:

In post 74, Cerberus v666 wrote:Now, with that said, I don't believe any town lady should so blithely accept a dance from any gentleman. This is a chance to weed out a villain in our midst, or force the villains to dance together at the least.

Speaking of which...2 mafia gentlemen, one lady? Vice versa? Anyone have any thoughts on what's more likely?

Found the first scum. First, town have no bussiness pairing with IC cause that doesn't amount to them solving the game in any way. That overblown explanation in #98 looks like nervous scum. Second, that 'innocent' setup spec question looks like taken straight outta scumbook.

Pedit I can't fucking post cause every time I hit submit there's a new post. Please

This is what you agreed with.

I'm on p43 and oh god a bunch of people are looking at the last game.

please don't look, it's embarrassing. > <