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[Chumba]

Is it time to bring up Havo's d1 hammer yet?

Looking back twice bringing up havo’s hammer is bad.

Your omgus to tchill’s post was also bad.

[Dunkerdoodles]

he does make a fair point that havo has just coasted this whole game after the hammer and no ones pressured him

[Tchill13]

Eth0s feel free to claim.

[eth0s]

The weird 180 on mulch? Weird how you're still focusing on that when the last thing I said about you and mulch was that I thought your 1v1 was TvT and that we shoudn't be lynching him. My gut wants to read you as town but your behavior is reading kinda scummy to me now.

Oh this should be good. Please tell what’s scummy about making you answer a question that I asked you twice to answer.

I’d love to hear your explanation

What's scummy is the fact that I tried to stop him from being lynched yet you contributed to killing a VT and somehow I am still supposed to look more suspicious than you because "he didnt answer mah question hurr durr"

Okay. Mulch came into the game and seemingly put in a shit ton of effort. I had never played with him before so I gutread him as town. I know that effort =/= town, but I know personally that when I replace into games, I am likely to talk my head off a lot when I'm town, because I need people to quickly be able to develop a town read on me. I guessed that mulch was doing what I would do. I also had no reason to scumread tacos, I never did scumread tacos, and therefore I had not been scumreading mulch's slot all game.

Then at some point mulch scumread me. I think this was during his phase of spamming the thread with single-lined responses. Then Tchill posted 688. I felt compelled to agree with Tchill's line of thinking for some reason.

You said mulch was doing some genuine scum hunting. Tchill’s post contradicts that statement yet you find yourself agreeing with him and the only thing I can see that changed was that mulch started scum reading you.

So if still love to see some examples of this genuine scum hunting. I don’t really understand how you can do a 180 on somebody who was scum hunting just for being annoying or how you can agree with tchill who basically says the opposite, that mulch isn’t realy scum hunting.

It doesn’t make sense to me.

He was doing genuine scum hunting. Then, as I already explained, I let Tchill get in my head. And I was also partially voting him based on omgus, which you're trying to expose me for or whatever, even though I literally just admitted that in the post you're responding to.

I'm not gonna go sort thru the shitstorm that is Mulch's ISO to find where he was scumhunting, because that's literally all he was doing while he caught up. I know you're a lazy reader but god damn.

Is it time to bring up Havo's d1 hammer yet?

Looking back twice bringing up havo’s hammer is bad.

Your omgus to tchill’s post was also bad.

OMGUS was bad, I agree. That's part of the reason why

I tried to stop you guys from lynching mulch

... But if you're telling me that talking about havo's hammer is bad... Your play this game has been quite bad if town.

I need to look back and try to remember why exactly I thought your 1v1 with mulch was TvT because I definitely don't townread you after realizing there's no method to your madness.

[eth0s]

Eth0s feel free to claim.

You're hilarious. The chances of me claiming today are 0%. You're more than welcome to, though.

[eth0s]

Eth0s feel free to claim.

You're hilarious. The chances of me claiming today are 0%. You're more than welcome to, though.

sorry, the chances of me claiming without a massclaim are 0%**

Still think massclaim at this point is stupid but I guess if we go there I don't really have a choice.

[Dunkerdoodles]

we're massclaiming

claim now

[Tchill13]

@Eth0s this is about profii.

but I don't like to get too far ahead of myself.

Well, this is the only part that mattered.

btw eth0s i have an answer prepped and ready to go as soon as you tell me if youre an alt or not

This is my main and only account as of right now.

oh and I am officially never playing with mulch again acrosss all my accounts. he is clearly a troll account and doesn't care about winning or losing.

and scratch that havo vote, i forgot about ethos

VOTE: ethos

i forgot about his weird 180 on mulch and I don't think he ever responded to my question about it.

the 180 on mulch and the opportunistic push he had on me.

he also called out L-3 which i dont see much on site. seemed a bit eager imo.

So you're upset that I briefly scumread mulch when you made like 10 straight posts trying to get us to lynch him? And you call me eager?
VOTE: Tchill

you briefly scumread mulch and take no responsibility for it. "tchill got in my head." I consistently gave effort to lynch that slot.

I have an issue reading slots that Replace in or out.

[Chumba]

What's scummy is the fact that I tried to stop him from being lynched yet you contributed to killing a VT and somehow I am still supposed to look more suspicious than you because "he didnt answer mah question hurr durr"

You know if you are scum you can stay off wagons and criticize others. If you are town i don’t see how you can be so wishy washy on mulch and then act heroic for being off the wagon.

[eth0s]

@Eth0s this is about profii.

but I don't like to get too far ahead of myself.

Well, this is the only part that mattered.

btw eth0s i have an answer prepped and ready to go as soon as you tell me if youre an alt or not

This is my main and only account as of right now.

oh and I am officially never playing with mulch again acrosss all my accounts. he is clearly a troll account and doesn't care about winning or losing.

and scratch that havo vote, i forgot about ethos

VOTE: ethos

i forgot about his weird 180 on mulch and I don't think he ever responded to my question about it.

the 180 on mulch and the opportunistic push he had on me.

he also called out L-3 which i dont see much on site. seemed a bit eager imo.

So you're upset that I briefly scumread mulch when you made like 10 straight posts trying to get us to lynch him? And you call me eager?
VOTE: Tchill

you briefly scumread mulch and take no responsibility for it. "tchill got in my head." I consistently gave effort to lynch that slot.

I have an issue reading slots that Replace in or out.

I can't tell if you have trouble reading or what but I just claimed responsibility for it. Sure I was influenced by you tunneling him but you're trying to push this all off onto me right now and its actually hilarious to watch it unfold

[Dunkerdoodles]

wheres my claim

[eth0s]

What's scummy is the fact that I tried to stop him from being lynched yet you contributed to killing a VT and somehow I am still supposed to look more suspicious than you because "he didnt answer mah question hurr durr"

You know if you are scum you can stay off wagons and criticize others. If you are town i don’t see how you can be so wishy washy on mulch and then act heroic for being off the wagon.

I'm just saying if you want to keep hounding me about mulch when you voted on him and I didn't, that's sketchy. Sure, scum can do exactly what you just said, but I had first vote on mulch. Why would I remove it if I were scum? That's right where scum wants their vote to be..

[Tchill13]

wheres my claim

[profii]

@eth0s

I retract my theory. You said when i replaced in, I thought you are new, so i checked the replace queue for your name and didnt get any results but looking at your history you've replaced in some games. I was going to call you a fibber but never mind. I just wanted you to admit no alts so i could pin you right down, but never mind. (I also said it was a lock town theory so you didnt get worried about what i was up to and answer honestly sorry )


anyway, I did say I was going to answer you query, so despite planning to destroy you for lying, I feel like I at least owe you one

Just to be clear, you had scum read the Taco/Mulch slot (not sure during the taco/mulch era) then at some point based on Mulchs contributions you decided to town read him. Chumba is apparently pushing you because he scum read the slot and wasn't sure what made you change your mind?

The rest of this post is based on that premise, so if I've misunderstood, ignore anything from here on in...


So personally, I noted that Mulch had put a scum read on pretty much every player bar Una at some point in his spam fest. I really dont see his play as scum hunting I see it as spray and pray to see what sticks, he is more interested in leading a lynch and getting the glory if it's scum, than actually focusing on getting scum. So as far as I am concerned I dont find his playstyle a credible scum hunting method and i tend to ignore him. Obviously he flipped town but I can forgive anyone for lynching him because he brought it upon himself. Frustratingly, it is likely a scum player will be on the wagon because it's easy to just quote me and say 'well you said he brought it on himself, of course we lynched him" which is really annoying because we essentially get no info about the players on the lynch majority.

in summary - 688 is right and you are right to agree with it. A succinct way of saying the paragraph above if you will.

i assume when you reference the later tchill posts 1042 etc you went back to town reading mulch on the basis that you didnt want to be in the same boat as tchill. This doesn't actually tell us that you think mulch is town, it says you still think he is scum but you think tchill is scummier. (imo)

You then said tchill wanted a mulch mislynch, so you now do think mulch is town, otherwise it wouldnt be a mislynch.


So personally, I dont think you have answered Chumba's question clearly. He specifically asked what scum hunting you saw Mulch do, but you didnt really highlight anything, other than you dont trust Tchill.

The other part of your question was that you are scum reading him and do i think you should? Well, I think he tunnelled taco wrongly, but I have seen him tunnel so it's in his meta. He says he is on full reset and re-evaluate so I'd say give him the benefit of the doubt and see how he reads everyone from here on it - that's what I'll be doing.

[profii]

tl;dr I think chumba has a legit reason to query your position on Mulch and you dont seem to have an answer, therefore, I'm seeing eye to eye with Chumba right now

[eth0s]

@eth0s

I retract my theory. You said when i replaced in, I thought you are new, so i checked the replace queue for your name and didnt get any results but looking at your history you've replaced in some games. I was going to call you a fibber but never mind. I just wanted you to admit no alts so i could pin you right down, but never mind. (I also said it was a lock town theory so you didnt get worried about what i was up to and answer honestly sorry )


anyway, I did say I was going to answer you query, so despite planning to destroy you for lying, I feel like I at least owe you one

Just to be clear, you had scum read the Taco/Mulch slot (not sure during the taco/mulch era) then at some point based on Mulchs contributions you decided to town read him. Chumba is apparently pushing you because he scum read the slot and wasn't sure what made you change your mind?

The rest of this post is based on that premise, so if I've misunderstood, ignore anything from here on in...

I'm a bit confused. Chumba is upset because of me 180'ing my vote on mulch from town to scum. Not vice versa. So I think you are mistaken and I honestly don't know if you have a firm grasp on the situation.

"So personally, I dont think you have answered Chumba's question clearly. He specifically asked what scum hunting you saw Mulch do, but you didnt really highlight anything"
That's where we differ on opinion. I see the "spray and pray" method as being pretty valid. And Mulch was clearly trying to prove himself as town in his posts. I will not do all the reading for lazy chumba, that's just not how it's gonna go.

Also it was obvious that you weren't asking me questions because you thought I was locktown. That wouldn't really make any sense in the first place.

[Tchill13]

claim bro

[Chumba]

What's scummy is the fact that I tried to stop him from being lynched yet you contributed to killing a VT and somehow I am still supposed to look more suspicious than you because "he didnt answer mah question hurr durr"

You know if you are scum you can stay off wagons and criticize others. If you are town i don’t see how you can be so wishy washy on mulch and then act heroic for being off the wagon.

I'm just saying if you want to keep hounding me about mulch when you voted on him and I didn't, that's sketchy. Sure, scum can do exactly what you just said, but I had first vote on mulch. Why would I remove it if I were scum? That's right where scum wants their vote to be..

Idk man. But I also don’t know why you ignored my question and then got all weird

[Dunkerdoodles]

claim bro

[eth0s]

Dunker and Tchill can stop.

And chumba, if you're town then I apologize for getting weird. I tend to flip a switch, gameplay-wise, a bit when I feel like I have some basis of "I told you so". This probably comes from my IRL personality and I'm not proud of it. But I'm a competitive natured person and surely signs of that will continue to show until I die or this game ends.

[Tchill13]

I'm a VT.

Next.

[Dunkerdoodles]

wheres my claim

[Dunkerdoodles]

i'll claim after everyone as i've made it clear im a pr

[profii]

right eth0s, i need to go right through your ISO now, because this is getting weird.

385 a vote on me with a readlist saying my theories were a bit out there. Fine, the point of the game is people will get it wrong, you are in a reasonable position here.

481 you said you thought the scum were leading us to a mislynch on Taco. This was the theory you voted me for!

506 you seem to have decided Taco's lack of defense for himself incriminates both himself and myself.

783 I queried your vote on me and you came off quite easily. Surprisingly so tbh. You are now on the Taco spot. Again, I have no issue with people choosing chumbas theory over mine, given the info at the time, both legit thoughts.


880 new day after the Fykus lynch, you go straight back to Mulch, so far only reason is 'scummy/annoying' as per 783


885 this post is where you get accused of scum slipping about the reasons for Una's death. The only reason I highlight it is that it was the only player Mulch didn't put a scum read on. Then Mulch got mislynched. Coincidentally!


1014 Lycan gave me a town card, you then consider my theory could be plausible and get yourself off of the mulch slot.

1033 & 1042 your target is now on tchill

1039 you are town reading me and mulch at this point.



You clearly go from scum to town on that slot.

[profii]

Chumba, am I on the right lines there?