micro 833: a coalition (D O N E)

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Spoiler:

Vote count 1.b

lynch:

Not_Mafia (3):

Gamma Emerald, DVa, skitter30

the worst (2):

Nibbui, Not_Mafia

not voting (4):

The Dark Wanderer, northsidegal, the worst, Irrelephant11

coalition:

• the worst
  : northsidegal, The Dark Wanderer, the worst, Gamma Emerald, DVa
  
• DVa
  : The Dark Wanderer, DVa, Gamma Emerald, northsidegal, the worst

• skitter30
  : skitter30, The Dark Wanderer, northsidegal, Irrelephant11, the worst
  
• northsidegal
  : northsidegal, Irrelephant11, the worst, The Dark Wanderer, skitter30

• The Dark Wanderer
  : The Dark Wanderer, skitter30, northsidegal, DVa, Irrelephant11

• Irrelephant11
  : northsidegal, the worst, Gamma Emerald, The Dark Wanderer
  
• Gamma Emerald
  : The Dark Wanderer, northsidegal, Gamma Emerald, Nibbui
  
• Nibbui
  : Nibbui, The Dark Wanderer, Not_Mafia
  
• Not_Mafia
  : none proposed

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends (expired on 2018-12-06 19:15:00)

mod notes

• i will rearrange the coalitions when i get home
  
• this has occurred
  
• skitter is VLA on fridays and saturdays
  
• micro 833: a coalition

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[Nibbui]

guys stop!!!

you can't stop the spamming once it starts!

[the worst]

alright fam
our suffering begins now

[Nibbui]

Woah, Tesxx and DRW are so scummy at least until page 4 that it's scary

More so Tesxx, he is like, coming too strong. DRW kinda seems like scum a bit inexperienced (my opinion )

Gamma being mildly scummy

[Nibbui]

not wait, it's not DRW, I meant TDW

[the worst]

talk to me about what you don't like from TDW in the early pages? some pointers on TESXX would be cool too but less essential

[Nibbui]

i had nibbui as who he actually is before he actually even made any posts in-game

I was afraid of rolling scum here if you weren't to be my partner

FUMUREII?!?

yup
It's been a while, how are you


ps: sorry for using the wrong names before, I was writing way too quick I guess. When I said DWa I meant DVa and DRW as TDW. Sorry.

[the worst]

<3 I've been amazing other than missing you!
How've you been my friend? Hope the real world has been treating you nice.

[Nibbui]

talk to me about what you don't like from TDW in the early pages? some pointers on TESXX would be cool too but less essential

He's feels like me and a lot of new players when getting to roll scum for the first time. NSG mostly pointed out but he would be always throwing reads easily and asking questions kinda lamist like "what are your reads?".

About TesXX is mostly because he is very disagreeable but seems more focused on disagreeing and throwing shade over some other people post than getting a organical read on them.

[Nibbui]

<3 I've been amazing other than missing you!
How've you been my friend? Hope the real world has been treating you nice.

Things are getting better I guess

Can you actually give me a quick resume about how the actual game state?

[the worst]

hmm okay sure. basically by way of a read list I'm at

{tw}
{NSG, TDW}
{skitter30}
{Irrelephant11}
{Gamma, DVa}
{yuriko/you}
{tesxx/nm}

TDW I think you should spend some time on in the short term if you're focused on that read; I am pretty strongly town on him but I've spent some good time reconsidering that slot.

gamestate spiel incoming

[the worst]

basically we're in a weird situation where gamma and DVa seem to heavily townread each other but a lot of players outside of that bracket are having a hard time getting a firm read on either of them. DVa has just hardcore suggested a coalition of {TW, TDW, NSG, DVa, gamma} which interests me greatly and I'm very seriously considering may contain 5 town but it's a pretty dangerous prospect given its... not anywhere near consensus townreads

I had very deep seated paranoia of skitter earlier in the game but I think she's probably self analysed her breaching her scumrange fairly accurately; she's probably town but that read is a bit less pure than NSG and TDW

the main coalition suggested is basically just the top 5 players from my read list. TDW doesn't want me in for reasons which haven't been totally articulated but which I don't completely hate, but is willing to reconsider me

in the event someone in the top 5 is left out personally I feel DVa is a better call, others have made cases for gamma

[the worst]

but like its probably not surprising the game is slowly PoE'ing into you/nm being the scumteam. NM I'm pretty sure is just a wolf; your slot wouldn't surprise me either way but I don't feel particularly wrong on any townreads either so.. :shrug:

[the worst]

fyi if we have a situation like the first coalition where one person has just MADE TOO MUCH NOISE not to be in the coalition ("the wisdom approach") it would be my slot so if we get another decent townread floating above the gamma/dva line I'm extremely comfortable being subbed for that player

[the worst]

if you're town and you still like investimigation and stuff, the previous two runnings of this setup by northsidegal are both really good reads. the first one was a scum win in 3p, and the second one was a coalition town win via excellent mutual slot + gamestate reads

unless the team is literally you/nm were looking at fairly strong scum play here. it's Jusr difficult to tell whether that takes the form of DVa insisting she needs to be townread along with gamma vs. gamma softpocketing DVa vs. Irrelephant coming in like a wrecking ball vs. skitter being even better scum than she usually is etc. etc.

this setup is so pro paranoia

[the worst]

oh yeah and I rep'd vizzy as a gimmick alt, accidentally feverposted out of character than alt-slipped so repped in

I am probs a robot

[Nibbui]

Oh my god, for serious, too many typos

I'll try to write slower, sorry.

82 is kinda good and bad at the same time. He circles a lot there but it's not like what he's saying doesn't make sense, just wish he was more straightfoward.

Honestly, I'm going to be a bit slow here, I feel like I'm starting to rush a little too much just to get up-to-date and not analysing properly the mindset of some posts that at first glance seem irrelevant (I'll probably be online for the next 4 ~ 5 hours though, so I'll read it all still today).

About the game state...mmmmmh, honestly, I'm confident I can show you guys that I'm town if Yuriko didn't say anything so scummy unintentionally! So let's wait a bit more

[the worst]

what an interesting post.
don't feel pressured. we have 7 days which is a full deadline in many setups; I'll be here as long as you're online so take your time and let's find some talking points!

[Nibbui]

I think it is helpful to actually try to read this game imagining what scum strategy is.

Since they need to put one of themselves in the coalition, do you think scum has been going for a strategy of one staying out of it and one inside, or do you think they would try to get them both in the coalition?

In this specific game I mean by the way. Like, what do you think the possible scum teams are doing (don't consider only me/NM, think about scum teams you think are possible as well).

I would appreciate if not only the duckling answered this by the way.

[the worst]

since optimal town strategy for a failed coalition is to lynch within the coalition until we hit red then hunt for associatives, optimal scum strat is to avoid both members being in the coalition whuch reduces the chance of a d1 scum lynch from 40% to 20%

[the worst]

I have a few possibilities for what scum could be doing. anything on your mind?

[Nibbui]

I have a few possibilities for what scum could be doing. anything on your mind?

I asked you because I'm quite in the begin, even with your resume it's not easy to grasp what scum team might be up to and who they are until you've read it all.

I dunno about what you said though. When I read the rules I too thought that evading the two members being inside the coalition was the best way to go about it, however I don't know, I'm working the details out on my head to see if it wouldn't be good to actually have the two of them inside the coalition, willing sacrifice one of themselves later to actually justify saying that the last scum might be out of the coalition (that would be generally the most scum read players, and easiest to push).

But meh, maybe I'm being too paranoid and I'm not going to scum hunt trying to divine what they are thinking. Not even sure that it's optimal to do what I said above since reads on mafia games can vary greatly between days, even more when one scum is flipped and everybody is looking for associatives.

[the worst]

ye for sure, it's better to just try and work out who's woofin rather than to nail the entire scumteam ane eeEEEvil schemes d1

[Nibbui]

I would post my impressions of other players posts but that would take too long and I don't think it is that helpful.

Have ended page 8 and I'm this is the most important news:

I feel that DVa is trying to put her own coalition foward but without really reconsidering the people on it. It doesn't sound much like someone that is worried about the coalition failing, but more like someone that want to get create a consensus of town reading the people she indicated. I mean, part of this is every town objective but the way she goes at it seems kinda rash and unnatural. I dunno if it's because of her personality or because of her aligment though. What you yourself say about that DVa?

probs robot feels town superficially but mmmh, I think a experienced scum player can fake that with a bit of effort, yes.

Skitter is being reasonable.

[Nibbui]

You know, if Skitter/Tesxx aren't partners I might reconsider the two of them and town read both.

Skitter is town reading like, Tesxx and Yuriko instead of going with the consensus at that time. It just feels like her in Jungle Replubic thinking I'm town for being so erractic. I feel like Skitter does those uncommon reads as town, dunno about when she rolls scum.

Tesxx I have less confidence, but I feel he's being too straightfoward

DWa is saying to Skitter "you didn't explain your read on Tesxx" when she actually did, kinda erractic.