Open 768: C9++ [GAME OVER]

[Almost50]

So, this would be the 3rd time I see scum you, and the 2nd time we rolled scum together.

P.S. Does this setup allow me to shoot my own p? Cuz that would spew me town when you flip red, I think. Remind me to ask the mod as soon as the scum PT is open tonight.

[Wickedestjr]

i am so confident that wicked is scum but i don't really want to 1v1 him because it would just be too abstract

Let me know when you want to have a serious conversation about the game. To be honest, it feels like they've been pretty one-sided (me answering your questions but you ignoring mine).

[the worst]

i'm down - throw me the things you feel like i've been lackin in, i'll answer

[Wickedestjr]

Well I asked you a couple questions in my big post. And I'm also curious why you're suddenly confident that I'm scum.

[the worst]

*First paragraph of this post seemed like a pretty poor defense.

it's not a defence. it's a read on skitter's push on me.

*Correct me if I’m wrong, but it looks like he does a rapid flip on his Bingle read from saying he doesn’t agree with a Bingle scumread to saying Bingle is outright scummy a page later. The worst, can you explain that?

i admitted like, within a page of saying i didn't see scum motive from bingle that i see scum motive from bingle. first quoted post was not serious.

*Saying he’s trying a 5-6 out of 10 doesn’t seem to mesh with being excited about the playerlist a few days ago. TW why just a 5-6 out of 10?

i don't think being excited about the playerlist explicitly means that i have to tryhard a game pumping out upwards of 10 pages while i sleep

sorry i didn't think any of these were worth responding to; you're misreading/misinterpreting my posts, not trying to parse my motive and the last one is directly shading a dubiously-alignment indicative factor

[the worst]

while you were coasting i dogeared you as a "read later" slot
when you posted your readlist it was political - your reads aligned largely with postcount & noise levels, except for your scumreads which were the popular scumreads.

when you posted the bigpost i was struck that you're not trying to look for things that look towny or scummy - you're townreading noisy people and shading your scumreads

like there's no trajectory there; i don't see how you've formed these reads. there's no sorting there; i don't see how you're trying to press your reads to do alignment-indicative things. it's a big noisy post and i think it's engineered as an attempt to look towny.

[Egix96]

and would love to see someone logically rather than gut towncase nibbui.

hi

above this fair warning is a very very logical/analytical case of the posts of said user as known as nibbui. i hope you achieve enlightenment upon his alignment while reading it.

Spoiler:

Change 'ugly' to 'lazy' and we're good.

ceejay, Egix, Blatant - nothing, and I do mean nothing, you have said has stuck with me to this point. Id love for your thoughts on any one of the following:

A. Nibs's post generally
B. Mena's reason to TL flippy (176)
C. Bingle's case on Skit
D. TW's intereactions with Bingle
E. Norway's attempt to force a read onto me

TY.

Quoting to remind myself to work on this later

I actually kinda forgot you were in this game tbh

1055 suggests otherwise

I CLD WAGON EGIX

Hoo boy it's on.

VOTE: the worst

[the worst]

chalk this one up to being one for the textbooks lmao

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwegian why have you totally changed your playstyle?

Huh? I'm just being myself, i don't know what sort of "total change" you're seeing. Maybe i'm slightly less irritable and more relaxed than earlier but that might be because of real life things i won't delve into.

Normally, I’m hesitant to town read players with strong scum games, but I started townreading skitter during the lengthy exchange with Bingle. I haven’t really noticed anything in her iso that’s looked polished - instead it feels like she’s genuinely thinking/processing the game. I like some of the specific comments she made to Bingle and I feel like "Jingle this isn't a fight you're going to win" doesn't come from skitter-scum pushing Bingle-town.

Eh... I don't know about this read on Skitter. Though i might add that i do slightly lean on town!Skitter v Scum!Bingle, it's not like i'm ready to townbin Skitter already just based on her convo with Bingle.

The one thing that makes me wary about Norwegian is his vote for BS. I feel like that could have been a safe choice for Norwegian-scum and I wonder if Norwegian-town would be more inclined to vote someone more active that he could actually converse with - I was surprised he didn’t vote for me at that point. Norwegian why did you choose to vote BS instead of me at that point?

Because i realized i was close to committing a grave mistake, just following along with other people's reads instead of forming my own opinion. Skitter and Nibbui was scumreading you earlier in the day, so i was influenced by their read. But rereading your ISO i couldn't see any excessively strong indications of scum behavior, most of the complaints could be summed up by over-scrupulous analysis and tone, so i voted BS instead since he looked suspicious at the time, and eventually moved you up on my reads list.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Town:
- Nibbui (Isn't questioning as much as he used to. But i'll still keep him on the top of the list. I agree with his vote on Teacher)

Light townlean:
- Menalque (He toned down recently. Interesting. I'm still keeping him chalked up as town because i don't think he would behave like he's done so far if he was scum.)
- The Worst (I'm still not going to join the wagon against him. He seems like town to me. He's active and makes some good points.)
- Skitter30 (Her spat with Bingle has an aggressive undertone, if Bingle is town then i definitely won't feel good about her anymore. But leaning town on her slot for now.)

Neutral/Unsure:
- Egix96 (small ISO, but seems town. I'd still prefer if he talked a bit more.)
- Wickedestjr (His newly formed wall o reads has a couple parts i like and a couple parts i'm sort of worried about, Still a nullread for me.)
- Almost50 (This replacement has a bit of the confusing language that Bingle uses except he seems more town. Not sure what to think yet. Null.)
- Emperor Flippynips (Seems like we've got similar reads but he's not active enough for me to feel good about townreading him. Still a nullread.)
- Blatant Scum (Not talking as much as i'd prefer, nullread. Maybe i should have accepted that 1v1 after all.)
- DrDolittle (Hmmm... Ehhh.... Uhhh...

Nullread

, there's actually a lot of content i don't like on his ISO recently, so i might be leaning scum on this one to be perfectly frank. But it's not definitive.)

Light scumlean:
- Bingle (Hard to read, while i could buy his behavior as town trying to bait scum into giving off scumtells. It also seems likely that he's scum trying to justify his behavior. I might consider voting him just because i'm having trouble sorting him.)
- Teacher (He's ignoring my response to his accusation that i was "buddying him", i'm thinking he could be scum that saw an opportunity to make me look bad and came up with some crappy argument without even thinking it over. Teacher is my preferred lynch right now)

[teacher]

I didn’t ignore it - I actually fully credit it and decided to forgive/forget. Your explanations is believable. Less so that you’d double down on it after having the supposed wagon target call out that there is no wagon, and that you maintained it after a vote count had been posted, but I didn’t see any profit in further pursuing it.

[teacher]

I’m basically flirting at the outskirts of the game til Friday. I’ve been following it on mobile and definitely have thoughts, but I don’t have time to do what I normally want to do to really understand a room.

[the worst]

@Nor
A50 is always like that during a replace-in; he mellows out & focuses more if that makes sense. (he's always funny though )

Could you talk me through your feelings about Wicked's reads in a bit more detail?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well i already mentioned that Wicked's explanation of why he townreads Skitter isn't something i would agree with.

I might start by meta'ing Emps because it seems like he's inexplicably a consensus town read here, even though I personally haven't seen anything telling. Nibbui, can you explain why Emps was your strongest town read at this point?

^This however is a very good point that i'm glad he brought up. I am also curious what exactly has made Nibbui and Menalque (if i remember correctly) TR Emperor Flippynips.

Overall i think he actually makes many good points. The only part i don't feel too good about is what i've mentioned.

[Menalque]

@nor I feel like you're been changing your playstyle in accordance to what's been said to you

like, I called you out early game and you went from being defensive and coming up with readslists to just memeing (still had some content, but a lot of memeing and shitposting) then I say I think you've changed the way you're playing and you start doing the readslists and stop memeing again

idk I'm just not sure if this is you being overly responsive in a kind of clumsy effort to do what you think people want from you or you being genuinely receptive to feedback

[Menalque]

I TL'd flippers but I should probably reread there as it was mostly a gut thing from early on

[Menalque]

I’m basically flirting at the outskirts of the game til Friday. I’ve been following it on mobile and definitely have thoughts, but I don’t have time to do what I normally want to do to really understand a room.

can you do like a tl;dr of just raw reads or something

[Menalque]

what is micro 840 and why does everyone seem to keep talking about it

Stop asking such meaningless questions. What do you think Micro 840 is? A new mobile/cellular type? A sandwich/meal at McDonalds?? It's a bloody game. Now go read it if you want to know what they're referencing or just ignore the reference and move on.

I kind of liked your initial SR on me bc I can see why you would think there are parallels there between my entrance here and surprise, but then this kind of brought me back down to null on you

like I think it's p obvious that I know that micro 840 is a game and that I was asking about what happened in it

I don't personally think that you think that I'm thick enough to not know what I'm asking here, and the fact that skitt got what I was on about p much straight away is proof that it was pretty obvious to anyone taking it in good faith

but then you haven't tried to crowbar this into an actual scum read on me but this still just kinda rubs me the wrong way

[NorwegianboyEE]

@nor I feel like you're been changing your playstyle in accordance to what's been said to you

like, I called you out early game and you went from being defensive and coming up with readslists to just memeing (still had some content, but a lot of memeing and shitposting) then I say I think you've changed the way you're playing and you start doing the readslists and stop memeing again

idk I'm just not sure if this is you being overly responsive in a kind of clumsy effort to do what you think people want from you or you being genuinely receptive to feedback

I see your point but it's really just how i act in general. Sometimes i'm in the mood to post reads and analyse, and other times i just funpost and generally observe what's going on. My moodiness doesn't have anything to do with you.

[Nibbui]

quick check-in here:

I'm not keen on outing how i read emps in too much detail here

in the probably most recent "Hope plus one" game, i was playing with fumuki and to try solving the game i had basically read almost all his past games up until that date.

i'll try to give some vague knowledge about his meta or maybe explain without meta why he might be town but i'm not interested in revealing my ~secrets~ on him if there is no danger of him being lynched (and i don't think there is).

[Nibbui]

currently i have got like, 15% less confident that he is town due do activity (it's not that big of a deal to him though but...). Read is pretty much the same though aside from the fact that my top town read rn is drdolittle although i should check (not sure i'll) more of his scum games.

I just remember drdolittle being v v different from here as scum and even as town. I think the effort he has put here is considerably +ev town and not only the effort but his posts show some town thought process.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i'll try to give some vague knowledge about his meta or maybe explain without meta why he might be town but i'm not interested in revealing my ~secrets~ on him if there is no danger of him being lynched (and i don't think there is).

This vague explanation doesn't exactly improve my view on him.

[Menalque]

why 15% nibbui?

[Nibbui]

I don't really think that everyone needs to town read him tbh

actually it's maybe better if he isn't and is not nightkilled

I think there is way too many other more scummy slots in most people pov. I think emps might end up going to lylo if we don't win before that and i trust him enough to not be manipulated by scum there.

As long as my town reads aren't being lynched i don't think it's even that much positive for other people to notice them too much. It's better if them stay alive.

[Nibbui]

why 15% nibbui?

badposting

another meaningless question

are u really going to complain about the random number that i wrote to express more or less my feelings?