Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[Sirfetchd]

Ok, "this person is not usually like this as scum" isn't going to fly with either of us ducks. Just to let you know.

So give me some reason why the things rb and I have said about xayah are town motivated if you want any of us three to get off her.

I do agree with you on skitter tho. So maybe we can compromise on that. But I am very heavily convinced xayah is a scumbutt.

[Sirfetchd]

you are being blinded by your tunnel in to selectively scum reading people. I think it's probs Conf-bias you just aren't noticing.

Yeah of course it is, that's why I'm annoyed you guys keep asking me to explain.

Fair, see above. Lets have a heart to heart. I'm in your null pool and you are in my town pool. Lets have some healthy discussion my friend.

[Something_Smart]

Hey SS, do you have any distinctions in your reads? Like say the day is ending and we need a Lynch and the two main wagons are Kerset and Xayah, where would you be going?

Neither probably, unless it's deadline and then whichever is more viable. I guess if I had to pick Kerset because lower on the draft.

[Sirfetchd]

Maybe later tho, I gotta actually do work today and you have kids to give candy to.

[Flubbernugget]

Pg 40

Billy and aaron both look like they lynch is converging on them out of apathy in absence of any solid scum cases

[Something_Smart]

Fair, see above. Lets have a heart to heart. I'm in your null pool and you are in my town pool. Lets have some healthy discussion my friend.

Any chance it can wait a few hours

Like I can do it now but you'll get a lot clearer thoughts when I'm on my computer.

Pedit: yeah that

[Sirfetchd]

What is with this idea you gotta Lynch in the low part of the draft. I feel the opposite.

[Something_Smart]

I liek mechsolving

[Flubbernugget]

Lynching in highs means scum doesn't have to factor in PR's to their nk calculus

[Flubbernugget]

Aaron looks very opportunistic, from reads that he gives us i can't assign him a towny view point. His views just flow somewhere around other people options and manifest at random locations. He was probably trying to lay low but he didn't succeed in this. I don't feel obligated to suspect him bc of my vote during RVS as nom3 said, I don't think that i can utilize mech until we get some flips. Among top voted people he would be my choice.

I agree but i'm not sure this is the right time to start a wagon on him

Suji is really worthy thing to push. If this is not right time to do this then why didn't you suggest it earlier? I think that with better attitude this is still possible.
VOTE: Suji

Not a fan of this

[Flubbernugget]

I guess i am alone with this idea and single vote won't make itUNVOTE: Suji
Luca the thing that you are missing is that aaron never speak up about things outside common agreement. He always pick up things that people already stated view on and try to fit there, i bet that his ISO on billy will be another example of it. S_s, skitter, rb, siffetch, somehow billy and even xaya gave some new view on things, something that came from new perspective. Aaron is just milling already stated thoughts, which is SI for me. VOTE: Aaron

Why did you expect people to hop on suji

[Flubbernugget]

Today was fucking terrible.

I'm going to do my best to catch up

hope you're okay flubs

I always appreciate things like this.

Thank you.

[Flubbernugget]

Btw if you want me in the spotlight I wouldn't mind that kind of attention rn

how do you feel about SS in his current spotlight? I think we've both been kinda underwhelming. Let's save the day together.

I didnt even notice SS was in a spotlight.

He's actually doing things now, but I'd have to follow up on what those things are

[Luca Blight]

I could really use more regular vote counts, but it seems as though it’s coming down to Xayah v Frost, in which case I’d vote Xayah.

Any chance of going back to Kerset?

[skitter30]

Suji is really worthy thing to push. If this is not right time to do this then why didn't you suggest it earlier? I think that with better attitude this is still possible.
VOTE: Suji

honestly i think he's just going to flake, tbh

[skitter30]

After reading Frost’s iso again I strongly feel he is Town and should definitely not be lynched today.

oh? do tell

[skitter30]

pm is p scummy

[skitter30]

billy's early posts are good fmpov

no, they really aren't

I think Billy is town yeah I don't think I have reads on any lurkslots aorn

pedit: yes /o/

disagree

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rb was 1026 a bluff or what?

oh i actually thought it was townie that you ignored it at the time

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oh yay wooper is town

i don't think that was a townie post for him
it wasn't particularly scummy either, but it wasn't a reason to townread him

[skitter30]

I don't think you have any way to point me as scum right now so I would also be interested in seeing a wagon attempt on me.

Yeah there's been this pattern of weirdness between nom and skitter where they both keep going after the same person on dubious grounds

do tell

[Luca Blight]

I might link specific examples in a bit but Frost has been playing as a townie - he’s been pushing his reads, unafraid to get his hands dirty, Willing to adapt and reconsider where necessary and has defended himself appropriately - with reason and sense but without getting too aggressive or flailing too hard. He’s also playing so very differently to his previous scum game where he just sat on the fence the whole time and wasn’t able to push anyone, that I think such an improvement in his scum game would be highly unlikely in such a short time frame. His game does resemble more the Town Frost I’ve seen. He’s also been wagoned way too easily for my liking - the reasons against him are poor.

[skitter30]

i guess part of me is stuck in that when i compare this game to the prior one i've played with town!him he feels ~quite~ different. he was kinda like obvtown there and very ... not agressive exactly, but more insistent on getting his pov across, he feels a lot more reactive here in comparison, and like he's just kinda posting without thinking about it too / the implications too much
i don't have meta on scum!him tho

i also don't particularly like his voting pattern

[Luca Blight]

I like his tone around page 44 - I believe he is the main wagon at this point but is still expressing his point in a calm, reasoned manner (even though the opinion he is expressing of lynching regardless of PR’s doesn’t help himself atm, a likely pr).

Frost is maintaining his view despite the pressure. He could have gone on Billy or Kerset which would have been easier going, but he seems to genuinely want the Xayah Lynch.

[Luca Blight]

Posting without thinking about it too much - is that more likely town or scum?

Go and read his scum game and you’ll see how opposite that description is.

[Something_Smart]

oh i actually thought it was townie that you ignored it at the time

I didn't ignore it. I double down in response (1053), which he ignored.

[nomnomnom]

Between aaron or kerset i'd push kerset if I had the certainty he'd be lynched.

VOTE: Kerset

I don't have faith in a Xayah lynch.