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Wow.

I’m willing to contribute to this wagon, but I won’t let the hammer happen before Ame is back.
VOTE: NDMath
I don’t believe the reads are genuine

Also fml with the new lockdown stuff for Australia today my plans to finally get some may be postponed for another few months

or before I iso/post readslist >: which I've started on that.

Yeah I’ll unvote if we get to L-1 really quickly

In post 1147, Yshtola Rhul wrote:

In post 1146, Paragon wrote:Do you still believe NDMath is a Warrior of Light, Y'shtola Rhul?

Yes.

Would you like to explain why/defend him? Quite the wagon has started on him!

In post 1155, Paragon wrote:

In post 1147, Yshtola Rhul wrote:

In post 1146, Paragon wrote:Do you still believe NDMath is a Warrior of Light, Y'shtola Rhul?

Yes.

Would you like to explain why/defend him? Quite the wagon has started on him!

Does a Sin Eater recognize a threat to their existence? Those who have much to lose from their peers view those peers in a different light than those who would act for a higher purpose. Awareness grows, as one misstep may make the difference between an encapsulating crescendo and the illusion of falling off a tightrope overwhelming you.

Warriors of Light need only save themselves by telling the truth and trusting those who listen will recognize it as such. For stories that cannot be disproven, this will never result in damnation, only salvation or an extension of the trial of the heart. Sin Eaters must consider that by their own mouth, their damnation may be assured. This pressure creates a difference in posture, their words less reflective of their heart, their stances based on survival rather than truth.

For this case, which prevails? The thoughts ring true relative to their past testimony, their stances the same, their uncertainty reflective of their absence. Why then, say you, would a Sin Eater return for such a small token of their continued thoughts continuing when such thoughts brought them ire before? It is preposterous, for a Sin Eater must convince the town with honeyed words and conceived pretense to cover their darkened thoughts. Such is not the case, for none as such is present.

I don’t remember Math’s earlier reads bringing him much ire?

You’re also not talking into account that Math is a newer player and this would be his first scum game on site, so I wouldn’t expect optimal scum play from him.

I also get the impression Math is playing the ‘scum wouldn’t say that’ card. For example his Tom reasoning that he couldn’t recall when it came to typing his post. I believe he is deliberately seeming to be a bit ‘all over the place’ due to the general idea that scum play more carefully. If you look at his reason for Tr’ing Wiisp, it’s based on the same kind of idea which shows he aware of this, but the way Math presented his reads doesn’t ring true to me.

In post 1157, Luca Blight wrote:I also get the impression Math is playing the ‘scum wouldn’t say that’ card. For example his Tom reasoning that he couldn’t recall when it came to typing his post. I believe he is deliberately seeming to be a bit ‘all over the place’ due to the general idea that scum play more carefully. If you look at his reason for Tr’ing Wiisp, it’s based on the same kind of idea which shows he aware of this, but the way Math presented his reads doesn’t ring true to me.

I agree wholly with this. This is the impression I also got from NDMath's post, and I'm glad Luca has articulated it!

In post 877, Luca Blight wrote:I hadn’t liked any of Pops’ Iso up until that point, but not much else stuck out.

If nothing else stuck out what didn't you like about it?

Nothing she had said struck me as townie. I’ve covered this already (not sure if you’re caught up yet) but there’s been a lack of direction and intensity to her posts the entire game. I was able to read her as Town pretty easily the last time I played with her and I liked most of her posts, which hasn’t been the case at all this time around.

VOTE: NDMath
@Luca
is he really a newbie? because the perspective of that post changes drastically

@Paragon
I am highly against lynching top posters on day 1
I know I can top post as wolf, but I eventually burn out, maybe you dont, IDK, but that still wont change my thoughts today
Like I said, the only thing that I question is you post restriction, which seems pretty stupid as either alignment

I personally think Ame is the towniest person in this thread from what I remember, I'd have to go look up specifics which im not going to do right now

@Nom
post that top page VC when u get a chance plez

In post 934, popsofctown wrote:Alolan Tom's stance on my wagon seems a lot like scum not wanting to do enough to stop a mislynch but enough to get some credit

This is a slip I think. Why would he want credit if it was going to be a mislynch?

I think it's what you were referring to as a perspective slip?

I believe she was saying that Alolan Tom was expressing distaste at it so that he'd get some credit in the event popsofctown flipped town, but not enough to actually derail it.

Oh got it I had it backwards, thanks!

@Wiisp: Math is a relatively new player, but not a complete newbie. He has a few completed games on this site and apparently a fair few off-site. This would be his first scum game on this site, however. I haven’t seen Math make a post like that in his other games, from what I’ve read.

@Luca
ok well consider my vote spiritually back on him then

In post 961, Aloratom wrote:I really didn't like his response in 828 regarding a read change.

What don't you like about it? It was obvious to me before he answered that his read changed in the same post as he was going through his thoughts. I don't get why this isn't a satisfactory answer.

I also find Math’s lack of development on Paragon scum indicative. The fact Paragon is at the bottom of his pile justifies his sitting on a vanity wagon without seeming too opportunistic of the more lynchable slot. At the same time he is scumleaning those lynchable slots, meaning he can ‘compromise’ on them at any time without being held accountable for their green flip (because he wanted a Paragon lynch).

And the reasons for SR’ing Paragon are really bad. There is clearly at least a possible (imo probable) Town motive behind Paragon’s questioning/suspicion of Taly, and his other reason is entirely vague, which we’ll see if he can elaborate on.

What is a vanity wagon? I hear that a lot.

When you’re voting someone who clearly isn’t being lynched, especially when you maintain that vote without really pushing it.