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Post Post #1150 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 2:57 am

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Votecount 1.36


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Cycle Men
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Deimos27 (), humaneatingmonkey (), Isis ()
Elements
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Cycle Men (), Alisae (), NorwegianboyEE ()
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With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-08 06:42:59).
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Post Post #1151 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:00 am

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gc is very convinceing
I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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Post Post #1152 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:04 am

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that's never gonna happen
VOTE: cycle men
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It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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Post Post #1153 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:05 am

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First, and I said this before, I agree with Deimos' read on Clemency's offbeat comment on his wagon here. I haven't seen him make similar comments on other wagons, so it's not his usual behavior. It's indicative of TMI or scum defending a buddy.

So I scumread him, but I have reservations because he has no counterwagons and I didn't like NorwEE, GC, Elements. So I was betting that if I was right in at least 1/3 of my scumreads, he's probably town.

At L-1, he was about to give up and give no assoc reads — saying he is bad at this game. Okay.

A counterwagon opens around NorwEE. He doesn't take it.

An argument can be made that he is town because there's no reason. But there is.

Clemency is always at a high risk of a lynch, as town or scum. Scum!Celemency knows that he's not getting away from a lynch, regardless of what the town thinks about him.

With that in mind, Scum!Celemency will make town!NorwEE look better and risk a potential mislynch for his scumteam by switching to his wagon. When he is a strong lynch potential at anytime, why would he help town!NorwEE here?

Scum!Clemency will also prefer to not aid the lynch of scum!NorwEE, who has a better fighting chance than he has.

At least town!Celemency has a reason to pursue a NorwEE lynch. He has no idea here what NorwEE will flip and he'll be game to see where the wagon leads to — bonus points for scumreading the slot in the firstplace.

Instead he doesn't take it.

I don't buy that he finds Ali, Me, and Isis scummy for building a NorwEE wagon, a person he scumreads, when he knows he's town. I don't believe he finds it scummy that I'm pressuring him to vote at 24 hours left in the day. If we're scum, we could have just mislynched him and it would have been easy. He would understand that. But what he did here? That's just not an organic progression.
In post 1102, Cycle Men wrote:
In post 1097, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Cycle men you weren’t this active or solvey before. What changed?
i dont like speaking for myself in this regard but activating midway through a game is very consistently my meta
This isn't really what I found in most of his town games. He would remain consistently difficult throughout the day in his town games. But I'm open to being proven wrong.

He also apparently scumreads Firebringer when he made that vote in RVS and his Firebringer read is "Firebringer is Firebringer".

So there.
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Post Post #1154 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:06 am

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Elements wrote:that's never gonna happen
VOTE: cycle men
you know damn well that wagon's not valid anymore
but i cant blame you for not wanting to be lynched
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Post Post #1155 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:09 am

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why's everyone saying i gave up or was planning to be lynched? ive been spending the past dozen pages fighting against my lynch
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Post Post #1156 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:09 am

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your lynch gives so much inforemation at this point
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It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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Post Post #1157 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:09 am

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In post 808, Cycle Men wrote:oh no im simply not worried about getting lynched
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Post Post #1158 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:10 am

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so did that change? are you now worried about getting lynched?
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Post Post #1159 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:11 am

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In post 1157, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
In post 808, Cycle Men wrote:oh no im simply not worried about getting lynched
??? this is literally the opposite of giving up
i thought i was gonna get shit for being too cocky with this
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Post Post #1160 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:12 am

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loving this tag team btw
human and elements cant both be town
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Post Post #1161 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:13 am

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that read to me that you don't care about being lynched. did i misunderstand?
why were you not worried of being lynched at L-1?
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Post Post #1162 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:14 am

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did i say i didnt care about being lynched? i said i wasnt worried about it happening
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Post Post #1163 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:16 am

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Why weren't you?
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Post Post #1164 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:18 am

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because i still have some respect left for this town but it's draining with every post that isnt a vote for elements
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Post Post #1165 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:19 am

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You're not worried that scum would swoop in and hammer you?
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Post Post #1166 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:20 am

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that would be a terrible look, so no
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Post Post #1167 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:22 am

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nah. i don't buy that. i think town!you would recognize that it's very easy to scum to hammer you there and get away with it.

i think the more reasonable explanation is you're not worried about scum, because you're scum.
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Post Post #1168 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:23 am

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EBWOP: it's very easy for scum to hammer you there
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Post Post #1169 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:25 am

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i wouldnt expect you to buy it no matter what i said, since its not in your best interests
good 'gotcha' moment there though, i commend that
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Post Post #1170 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:26 am

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i now invite Cycle Men's scumteam to come here and defend him
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Post Post #1171 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:27 am

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come on squad, im waiting
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Post Post #1172 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:28 am

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In post 1170, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i now invite Cycle Men's scumteam to come here and defend him
thats a great way to write off any possible future dissent against you as "my scumteam"
i like it
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Post Post #1173 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:30 am

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i appreciate the compliments, man
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Post Post #1174 (ISO) » Thu May 07, 2020 3:34 am

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In post 1153, humaneatingmonkey wrote:With that in mind, Scum!Celemency will make town!NorwEE look better and risk a potential mislynch for his scumteam by switching to his wagon. When he is a strong lynch potential at anytime, why would he help town!NorwEE here?
You don't net scum points when you're town and you switch to a competing bandwagon to avoid your own lynch.
In post 1153, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Scum!Clemency will also prefer to not aid the lynch of scum!NorwEE, who has a better fighting chance than he has.
Yeah I've considered that, but I think the association is stronger if Norweg flips scum rather than if Cycle flips scum.
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