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Post Post #1150 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:38 pm

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In post 1146, unwnd wrote:My biggest qualm is that If I ctrl+F you in regards to Lunar, you seemed willing to go 'well he probably gets suspected a lot/willing to give him more time.' That's paraphrased. Your thought process from D2 doesn't suggest that you're paranoid about his claim or thinking about it, because rest assured I've thought about it too.

The absolute biggest thing I get out of conversation thus far is..why wait? Why wait until we were here and just let quiet die. I know for myself I feel like shit for it but we could've easily put our heads together and decided if Lunar slanking was a worthwhile thing to pursue.
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they were scummy and agreed more with the people who were suspicious of them even if i didn't say it, but i kicked the can down the road rather than pursue that read in the hope i was wrong. i might've convinced myself it was stylistic after seeing some posts by them. i might have thought it was better to leave them that day and try to find the other scum. i just really didn't consider trying it, like i said what happened was i started the day thinking it might be safebet > battle mage shows up before i write a case and kicks the game into high gear, puts pressure on safebet > i start getting cold feet > i think to myself about how i don't really like playing the way i was trying to, and that rather than trying to reason stuff i should go aggressive and instinctual > decide i have the least reasons to townread you and vote you


oh, you know what? for most of the day yesterday i was still paranoid of illwei's slot. that was a big factor in not pursuing lunar i think. battle mage dying changes that, there are fewer suspects, i have to consider who's alive more
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Post Post #1151 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:40 pm

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I also guess in some weird world it could be peta lunar if that interaction in 651 counts for anything.

I in all honesty should not be reading rolls as AI especially given the nature of how he claimed that, but it just makes more sense in my mind than fake claiming. Behaviorally he would be my first vote though

If uwnd isnt scum as I've read him most of the game then its lunar peta. Which still just really is hard to get my head around as they have been my most two locked people in this game. I guess I could be just really bad and have been wrong about everything
If uwnd is scum, who is he likely to be scum with. I can't see it with safebet beased on their voting patterns. So UWND Peta, or uwnd lunar ? Both of these seem unlikely because uwnd did have pressure on lunar quite a bit, and lunar was following me on uwnd


that brings me back to peta and safebet

I think I'm declaring my intent for safe
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Post Post #1152 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:43 pm

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In post 1148, unwnd wrote:Maybe I shouldn't count marathon games in town experience but whatever
bad reference for forum play because i play those like chat mafia and the thought process has to be more spontaneous and in the moment
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Post Post #1153 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:44 pm

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I'm more talking to myself in this just because it's better than not posting and getting probed
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Post Post #1154 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:47 pm

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Gun to head peta who are the two scum rn
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Post Post #1155 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:50 pm

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lunar and mikul but i need to actually read mikul's latest stuff to see how i feel about it. that's significant late game paranoia talking though
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Post Post #1156 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:51 pm

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idk you can crap on me for not pursuing the lunar read yesterday but sloppy decisionmaking doesn't make me scum
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Post Post #1157 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:08 pm

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Not fully untrue

Lunar please participate to the best of your ability, you have two people who have practically declared intent to vote you today

Did your actions go through on those protections by the way?
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Post Post #1158 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:10 pm

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dont do that man
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Post Post #1159 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:13 pm

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I will absolutely take what I can get
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Post Post #1160 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:15 pm

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@Mikul:
why are you sure me and unwnd aren't s/s?
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Post Post #1161 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:33 pm

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In post 1157, unwnd wrote:Not fully untrue

Lunar please participate to the best of your ability, you have two people who have practically declared intent to vote you today

Did your actions go through on those protections by the way?
How would I know? I mean clearly when I saved BB it didn't work.
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Post Post #1162 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:38 pm

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In post 1151, Mikul wrote:I also guess in some weird world it could be peta lunar if that interaction in 651 counts for anything.

I in all honesty should not be reading rolls as AI especially given the nature of how he claimed that, but it just makes more sense in my mind than fake claiming. Behaviorally he would be my first vote though

If uwnd isnt scum as I've read him most of the game then its lunar peta. Which still just really is hard to get my head around as they have been my most two locked people in this game. I guess I could be just really bad and have been wrong about everything
If uwnd is scum, who is he likely to be scum with. I can't see it with safebet beased on their voting patterns. So UWND Peta, or uwnd lunar ? Both of these seem unlikely because uwnd did have pressure on lunar quite a bit, and lunar was following me on uwnd


that brings me back to peta and safebet

I think I'm declaring my intent for safe
This post is making me question Mikul. It has a lot of words but really doesn't say anything other than "maybe" and then uses that maybe as an excuse to state intent to end the day. I think I need to do some re-reading.
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Post Post #1163 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:41 pm

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Yeah that didn't lead anywhere lol. Pretty sure doctor doesn't get results if their protection were blocked or not, only investigative
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Post Post #1164 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:42 pm

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Actually no one has voted, so I'm not sure what that intent is for. and in the end I come to the same conclusion as Mikul. If peta and unwnd are both Town, then Mikul cannot also be, but I just don't think I can ever be comfortable enough with Mikul being Mafia over peta or unwnd to vote it over either of them.
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Post Post #1165 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:43 pm

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In post 1163, unwnd wrote:Yeah that didn't lead anywhere lol. Pretty sure doctor doesn't get results if their protection were blocked or not, only investigative
Earlier you said you were sitting back because it was unfair to newbies if you went 100%. But now you're setting a trap? That doesn't seem very sporting, and contradicts your earlier stance where you just wanted newbies to have fun and learn. I think I could vote for either safebet or unwnd here.
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Post Post #1166 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:46 pm

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I wouldn't call it a trap by any means, just a cheap trick

Also that stance was D1, yes I want newbies to learn/have fun, but winning would be preferable
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Post Post #1167 (ISO) » Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:57 pm

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In post 1092, unwnd wrote:When's peta just gonna show me he doesn't wanna lose this game.
i want to circle back to this because i still don't understand what you were expecting from me exactly
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Post Post #1168 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:45 am

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doing that ISO now
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Post Post #1169 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:07 am

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Lunar, why did you think quiet was mafia? I'm looking through this now but the only reason I can ever find is that he wanted to kill you and you never went beyond that
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Post Post #1170 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:51 am

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I am around today and can respond to questions. I'm not a fan of that Peta and unwnd were focusing so much on each other and am a bit more releived that they are starting to branch out.
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Post Post #1171 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:46 am

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Same gun to head question applies to you Safebet, but from understanding you seem pretty resigned to me/Peta being town and Mikul trying to pit a fight against us. What's your feeling on Lunar?
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Post Post #1172 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:53 am

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Peta this is a very stupid question but answer it anyways

Is your #1130 within your range as scum? Like, would you go to such an extraneous effort to explain yourself. I'm pretty sure I've asked close to the same question, but these are actually more helpful than they seem
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Post Post #1173 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:56 am

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Gonna ISO Mikul a bit harder too.
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Post Post #1174 (ISO) » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:58 am

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As likely that he fakeclaimed than he's telling the truth. Perhaps a bit more likely at this point of the fakeclaim because he wasn't the NK.

My point before was always that, all things being equal, I felt that it was better than random chance FMPOV that Lunar was fake claiming, which at the time was 1 in 6. I was stunned that nobody wanted to really deal with that D2 when:

1. If he was telling the truth, he was worthless because he was always being roleblocked, and

2. We could afford to be wrong.
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