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In post 1104, DkKoba wrote:VOTE: clidd
fuck it
gut read from d1

In post 1122, clidd wrote:

In post 1117, Ahsoka wrote:

In post 1114, clidd wrote:{DkKoba, Ahsoka} -> 1 scum among them.

Nah, this isn't a certainty.

I think the game would be more fluid if you two were town. There's scum between you two.

In post 1125, clidd wrote:I think town!FL would scumread me harder here.

Lots of flexibility around my slot that I don't like.

All the structuring of positioning to solve the game entering D2 is also something I am not buying from a town!FL mentality.

In post 540, clidd wrote:Hum.

Well, I have a problem. I did a reread on my impression on Volxen three times, reevaluated it, and I keep coming to the conclusion that he is more towny than null or scum. But this is not matching my impression of Lostego.

In post 542, DkKoba wrote:

In post 541, clidd wrote:And I find it very difficult for Gimli to be scum, because I really liked the descriptions he attributed to the posts he engaged with me and reflected me very genuinely as he is trying to evaluate me.

If you're seeing him as scum, Dk, you have to slap me in the face (metaphorically) and show me why he's scum to you.

he's either going to dodge the elephant in the room, or he's going to scumslip. its my prediction.

consider: if you're town then he's able to case you accurately and genuinely because well, you ARE town. it's something that exists. (even though uh well. we'll see once gimli decides to pop his head out of the scum PT)

In post 548, DkKoba wrote:

In post 528, DkKoba wrote:which Horsewoman posts makes u think she is town?

Spoiler: quote pile

In post 128, Horsewoman wrote:Damn 6 pages ok i will read them..... Soon

In post 283, Horsewoman wrote:Okay catchup starts now

In post 284, Horsewoman wrote:

In post 274, DkKoba wrote:horsewoman is avoiding this thread for some reason?? also who are they cause i suddenly saw them post in a certain thread that i have never seen them post in!!! im suspicious of u in the context of site user not necessarily in the context of being scum

Please direct your concerns to the MS mods, don't bring this crap into game threads. Also I have no idea who votato is.

In post 285, Horsewoman wrote:

In post 274, DkKoba wrote:horsewoman is avoiding this thread for some reason?? also who are they cause i suddenly saw them post in a certain thread that i have never seen them post in!!! im suspicious of u in the context of site user not necessarily in the context of being scum

new user posts in thread for first time. absolutely shocking. i should have just used quantum time travel to post in a thread before having posted in it for the first time.

Like come on man, bring the game into the game, bring your paranoid crap into the admins DMs not here.

In post 286, Horsewoman wrote:

In post 28, DkKoba wrote:

In post 25, Datisi wrote:

Vote count 1.01

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-01-03 15:00:00).

execution

Not_Mafia [2]:

Not_Mafia, Raya36

RedFlavor [1]:

DkKoba

Not Voting [6]:

clidd, Horsewoman, Ahsoka, volxen, RedFlavor, Radja

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WAIT THERES 3 MAFIA???

In post 29, DkKoba wrote:NVM WE NEED TO USE LIST TOMORROW LOL

In post 30, DkKoba wrote:#townslip gang

I mean obviously this is forced and ridiculous (doing actual game-related catchup now)

In post 287, Horsewoman wrote:

In post 40, Radja wrote:VOTE: dkkoba

the townslipping mention bothers me a bit.

In post 45, DkKoba wrote:LIST****
Sorry am excited someone made the mistake to shade me for that comment... was a trap i laid for scum

wow clever trap 2000/10

For the record I would have done exactly what radja did, vote for you on page 2. So this hopefully doesn't go anywhere. Sigh.

In post 288, Horsewoman wrote:

In post 79, Gimli son of Glóin wrote:radja and ahsoka I think are town.

dkkoba I think is scum.

those are reads.

VOTE: dkkoba

In post 80, Gimli son of Glóin wrote:wow dkkoba has 34 posts and most of them are scummy. I can't wait to have the thread buried by scum!dkkoba and us never being able to eliminate it cause he is so loud.

This, however, is a relatively lazy read from Gimli. Just finished a game with him (my first game onsite so don't expect any other meta from me) where he was scum and he was universally townread and really competent. So he's someone I want to have my eye on throughout this one.

In post 290, Horsewoman wrote:

In post 147, Ahsoka wrote:People play expecting town to have reads, but a townie shouldn't have strong reads at this point in the game. I will converse as I see fit, and these conversations will look good to look at in hindsight, which is why I converse.

I have given my thoughts on the stuff that stood out the most.

This is the correct attitude to have I think about the game early on. I'm impressed that you're willing to articulate it in that way.

In post 149, DkKoba wrote:

In post 147, Ahsoka wrote:People play expecting town to have reads, but a townie shouldn't have strong reads at this point in the game. I will converse as I see fit, and these conversations will look good to look at in hindsight, which is why I converse.

I have given my thoughts on the stuff that stood out the most.

you're lockscum

Couldn't disagree more.

In post 291, Horsewoman wrote:

In post 223, DkKoba wrote:i think its not worth pushing volxen rn because they give me the impression of a player who thrives better when not pushed on. And if theyre scum they'll either scumtell hard or spew partners. (Or be spewed via a flip)

also im biased cause they correctly outlined my thought process uwu

Very uncool thought process. Like this is an incredibly overt, blatant attempt at diverting pressure in the game. In this game where there's 3 scum which means you need 5/6 townies to eliminate anyone, it might be more productive for scum to be more blatant in trying to defend their allies.

In post 293, Horsewoman wrote:

In post 251, Radja wrote:Back from doing Christmassy things

Anyway, notes:

DkKoba's reaction seems alright. I'm fine to back off from now. A bad play doesn't necessarily make it a scum play. In fact, DkKoba's follow up scumhunting of Redflavor for knowing the setup is equally bad.

Gimli seems alright, but might just be good scum.

Not going to bother sorting Not_Mafia. Wildcard as either alignment, if playstyle hasn't changed. Interesting question though: Not_Mafia, have you played with me before? I remember mostly modding games you were in.

Raya and clidd's posts are pretty good.

Ahsoka is unreadable for me at this point. clidd's attempt to get Ahsoka involved seems good though.

I'm not really following what Raya and clidd are arguing about.

Gimli's "regardless of clidd's alignment, Raya is locktown" seems really weird to me. Why would a clidd flip not make you reconsider your read?

Reads:

Townpool: DkKoba, clidd, Raya
Scumpool:
idkpool: volxen, Not_Mafia, Gimli, Horsewoman, Ahsoka
Pool of execution: Horsewoman, Not_Mafia, Gimli

VOTE: Ahsoka

This seems like a pretty good wagon to be on.

Okay this reads list is so bad I'm joining this wagon

VOTE: Radja.

I'm caught up, it was super easy and fast because most of the 12 pages was dkkoba spewing nonsense. Although I don't mind making short multiposts, I think posting as much as koba is is kind of anti-town (at least on mafiascum, where games are soooooooo slow), so I would advise koba to cut that aspect out of his playstyle/this game.

Gimli's playing pretty differently than he did in our game together. And by that I mean worse. I think paradoxically that makes him more likely to be town here? He's producing less reads and less analysis but that might be because he's only producing genuine reads/analysis. Want to see more from him. Koba has made a lot of posts I disagree with and posts like 223 really rub me the wrong way. Radja's reads list is so atrocious I don't think it can come from anyone trying to solve/read the game. I'm kind of biased against koba because he's accused me (without evidence) of being an alt of a guy who was apparently banned for sexual harassment, and that's a really fucking uncool thing to do. So I've got personal animus there. Post 217 from clidd I really dislike, the thought process of 'I agree with him so he's town' is itself, really artificial. I liked ahsoka's posting a reasonable amount.

In post 294, Horsewoman wrote:Also the reason I haven't been active is because I think this setup is unbalanced as hell towards scum which makes me apathetic, and also it's goddamn Christmas.

In post 390, Horsewoman wrote:

In post 380, DkKoba wrote:i think its like funny cause like i feel like i care less about being townread as mafia lol.

but really its not alignment indicative for me to be defensive about every scumread on me. i dont like being scumread, even though it helps me be read.

Same, I hate getting MLd more than I hate getting correctly eliminated. If I'm scum and you guys get me, good job. If I'm town and you guys get me, I feel more like it's my fault.

In post 418, Horsewoman wrote:

In post 416, Gimli son of Glóin wrote:thread needs more horsewoman.

I literally have almost nothing to say, this day 1 has been really weird and I'm kind of checked out. Dkkoba's hyperposting is dominating everything and I can't even read them because Im biased against them.

In post 502, Horsewoman wrote:

In post 477, Not_Mafia wrote:Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

I bet all three of these are town that seems eminently possible. If there's a scum in there it's radja.

In post 503, Horsewoman wrote:

In post 477, Not_Mafia wrote:Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

In post 478, DkKoba wrote:

In post 477, Not_Mafia wrote:Radja/horsewoman/Gimli

the way this is my exact GtH solve rn

This sort of interaction is the sort I'd usually say wouldn't be between two scum but I think it has a high chance of being so here. That's because the setup of 3 scum out of 9 heavily incentivizes the scum to buddy up and stick together, because if all 3 are going the same way they only need 2 town to join them. So basically I'm saying that bussing is incredibly unlikely and scum overtly allying is much more possible.

gimli chose to scumclaim and not address this i guess! ^^

In post 559, Gimli son of Glóin wrote:

In post 558, clidd wrote:

Spoiler:

In post 262, clidd wrote:Don't you think it is inconsistent for scum!Radja to not follow a vote in his elimination pool and sound dissonant by voting you?

In post 263, clidd wrote:I imagine that scum!he would look at the elimination pool and think "man, I need to vote for someone I mentioned in the pool that I want to eliminate" or "I'm going to add Ahsoka to my elimination pool so people won't question the consistency of my vote. ''

In post 264, clidd wrote:Or even ''well, I don't think it'll be good to say that I want to eliminate x and vote on b''.

In post 300, clidd wrote:

In post 268, Raya36 wrote:

In post 262, clidd wrote:Don't you think it is inconsistent for scum!Radja to not follow a vote in his elimination pool and sound dissonant by voting you?

I read it more genuine than that. Makes sense to want to sort someone null that has some traction right now?

I mean more in the sense that this would be a line that I think Scum!Radja would try to avoid.

In post 301, clidd wrote:

In post 271, Radja wrote:

In post 268, Raya36 wrote:

In post 262, clidd wrote:Don't you think it is inconsistent for scum!Radja to not follow a vote in his elimination pool and sound dissonant by voting you?

I read it more genuine than that. Makes sense to want to sort someone null that has some traction right now?

this and the fact that 2 people I'm townreading were voting there at the time.

clidd seems to be the first one picking up on me voting outside of my execution pool. More town points for you.

The quality of my read on you depends on whether you are more dissonant as town or scum. I'm currently considering town, because as scum you would review your reads before posting and reflect on how other people would see your content.

I'm hoping to be right about that, but I don't think it would hurt me to find out that I'm wrong. Let's see

In post 326, clidd wrote:

In post 324, Radja wrote:

In post 319, clidd wrote:Radja, if possible, I would like you to take the time to interact in real time. I am interested in seeing how your opinions are expressed in short periods of time.

As a starting point, I wanted you to talk a bit about your impression of Raya (251) and what did you like about her post.

Hmm, let me read back on that a bit to provide some examples. I guess it was mostly a gut thing?
I try to be as transparent as possible and pretty much post whatever comes to mind as I catch up.

- saying DkKoba's "townslip" could be fabricated.
- I liked her push on you(clidd) because it doesn't seem like an easy path to me. To top that off, despite being unsure about you, Raya didn't back down to join an easy wagon when she could have easily done that.
- understanding what I was trying to do when I voted Ahsoka: sorting a null slot that my townreads were voting.

Some of those things happened after my reads list, so there's my read progression for you, in case you were interested.

I also found towny the way she approached my slot.

It reflected as genuine in the sense that she had reasons that, when I was trying to put myself in her place, made sense from a perspective of "I want to try to know your alignment", which is something that I also assimilated a little to the impression I had of Gimli. I don't think the fact that I was her scumpartner in our past game has any influence on that, because at no time did she create a parallel between the two games to justify the push in isolation (which is another positive thing imo).

Changing the subject, the fact of you voting someone null and not exactly someone in your execution pool is probably the point that I am most sympathizing with my tl on you. It seemed very genuine in the sense that you did not feel obliged to necessarily explain why you were not voting for the execution pool, as it was something that was already on your mind, and as I also unconsciously omit details sometimes that are part of the process of how I get to some conclusions (mostly as town), I believe that we have something in common (which is giving more emotional substance to my read on you).

You don't need to detail or make a wallpost, but I would be grateful if I could see what has changed in your reads after the last events.

In post 388, clidd wrote:

I honestly haven't gotten a strong impression from him yet but if he's town then he is a very easy miselim target at the current gamestate and I agree that it's odd Clidd didn't come to this conclusion first considering the townread on him.

I don't know if it was possible to absorb this in my explanation, but the scenario of scum wanting to miselim him was something that came to my mind primarily. The buss scenario, which came as a secondary, was an alternative interpretation that I considered as more improbable by comparison, but not impossible.

These are the things of my read on Radja ^

I see. I read all of those posts, my problem is that I can't possibly give this any weight the way you're doing, and then there are things in radja's posting that could also be looked at as scummy, as noted by horsewoman for instance. I think my radja read will keep at null until he has something of an impact in the game. It's not someone I'm willing to flip today, that's going straight to either dkkoba or lostego.

speaking of which, I'm fine with moving to d2 as long as we're eliminating one of these two. my townpool is done and unless radja and NM start doing something different, it's not likely to change anything in this gameday.

In post 578, Gimli son of Glóin wrote:I'm referencing the posts she made in the posts I made about her already. her evaluation on me was towny, also her thoughts on you and other emotional things I picked. she is assertive and reasonable, how I expect her to be, and I have no reason to suspect she is scum cause she never made a scummy post unlike you.

In post 1142, Ahsoka wrote:

In post 1139, clidd wrote:Ahsoka, which solve is likely with Gimli, Raya, me and you as town?

Hello Miss Raya.

Spicy vote, but shouldn't you be scumreading me bc of the last pages?

Koba/Infinity/Not Mafia

Not Mafia pushed the scum team as Clidd/Amelie/Gimli when I was pushing the 3 group.

In post 682, DkKoba wrote:u never once engaged me in good faith btw. dont know what this "diplomacy" ur talking about is. I'm the one who backed off and decided to reeval. Why are you gaslighting?

I haven't tried solving the game?


Blatantly lying isn't going to get you anywhere here.

In post 705, Gimli son of Glóin wrote:

In post 665, Horsewoman wrote:Okay so now. Talking about the actual game. Raya36 is a player I didnt realize was in this game. However I like her willingness to ask questions that arent just empty, they GO somewhere. I think there is a lot of good analysis and reasoning. Town.

Clidd and aaasoka are slots that have attracted a lot of controversy and I need to read them more closely. None of their posts have struck me.

Kobas fight with gimli isnt really AI from me. I think koba has made a lot of drastjc tonal shifts this game, but what im not seeing is the REASON for those shifts. And as someone said earlier, koba started acting comically aggressive after it was pointed out that they were aggressive as town. Town would shift tone for genuine emotional or other reasons, not to look good. I also think that there are some scum actinh loudly and engaging in theatre because there are 3 scum to play with and a lot more to position/play creatively. Hiding isnt going to work.

the more I read this post the more I dislike it. you said koba's fight with me isn't AI, but then proceeded to describe his act as 'comically aggressive' after someone pointed out they weren't being as aggressive as their town selves. isn't that supposed to be an AI aspect of his behaviour when we were arguing? and if you think there's scum acting loudly and engaging in theatre, is there anyone but koba doing so? how does that not leave you with an actual koba scumread?

In post 707, Gimli son of Glóin wrote:VOTE: horsewoman

In post 719, clidd wrote:I probably won't comment on page 28. Is there anything you want me to answer, Dk/Gimli?

In post 727, Raya36 wrote:Gonna attempt to sort some of my unsorted players. Sorry for the long post.

NM:
Not much to take from his posts. I do find the Radja fixation weird. I know typical NM won't explain any reads D1 so it's pretty tough to follow any progression but there appears to be none on this read. Also don't like the Radja/Gimli/Horse solve. I haven't sorted Radja yet but the other two appear town to me. NM is still null, leaning scum if anything (although this is in part due to PoE, not just the few concerns mentions).

Radja:
Not much here from Radja either. His 251 is alright, however vague. It was early in the game though. I don't really agree with his points on Koba being scummy just because I know Koba would do that as town, but the analysis still seems fine without maybe knowing Koba super well. I still think voting for someone in the idkpool was a good play. I feel like scum would be more conscious of their vote needing to make perfect sense. As well as this scum want to focus on a miselim, not sort their nulls. I wish more came of it though to back this up. It's difficult for me to analyze the post about me since it's just describing why he thought I was town but the reasons he posted made sense and were things I did in fact do. A couple of things there I could have easily done regardless of my alignment but he still makes a point of something that would be harder for me to have done as scum which shows a scumhunting attitude rather than just making up reads. Radja seems fine to me as a light townread. He hasn't done anything substantial but nothing pinged me as scummy either.

Lostego:
I don't remember having strong impression of volxen so I'll just focus on Lostego here. The first thing I noticed in his iso is his reads are very tonal based. "overly simulated", "condescending". Nothing wrong with this as early reads which is what they are. Just taking note of this in case it continues. Those are very easy reads for scum to make to avoid having to actually fake scumhunting and analysis. 399, what was the point in telling NM they can join the scumpool if they unvote radja by p16? If you genuinely think that NM and radja could be partners then why very clearly tell NM what to do to avoid your suspicions. I just don't see the purpose of posting that. I do like the sort of reanalysis being initiated in 407. It could be faked of course but it shows that there is thought going into his reads. I don't quite get the thought of radja being consensus? Maybe I just wasn't paying attention but I never got the impression he was consensus at any point? I do like the sudden reevaluation of radja thought instead of potentially just pushing for a miselim. The NM vote was bad and encouraging a wagon there was bad, I already explained why. I am assuming lostego is familiar with NM. I really like what he said about gimli and horsewomen in his most recent post. I don't completely agree as I explained already but it does show a deeper level of analysis which is especially better than what I was concerned with in his early iso. Overall I'm not super happy with Lostego's iso. It's not bad enough to call him scum but he's certainly not in my town/townlean pools.

Ahsoka:
Their first few posts were all mechanics or fluff which is NAI to me. 147 is a good take but not AI. I thought at first they might have been a bit overdefensive about not having reads but it seems to be more just their normal tone/playstyle so I no longer think this is the case. In the clidd/Ahsoka interaction I found myself taking Ahsoka's side my first read through which you can see a bit of in my discussion with clidd around then. If this hypothetically was a TvS situation I believe Ahsoka would be the town. I also agree with the points made against clidd during that interaction. The concern of horsewoman pocketing seemed town to me as it shows a natural suspicion town should have when being praised etc. This could just be how horsewoman expresses their points though as I just felt the same way from her in my last catchup. (Kind of unrelated to Ahsoka but seeing that just made me realize that). 366 was a good take as well. More good-play-indicative than town-indicative though. I'm having a hard time reading the bulk of the Koba/Ahsoka interaction. I may come back to it another time. I'm interested to hear more of the Koba/me pairing they mentioned recently. Ahsoka gets a town read.

New list: (all in order of strength)
Town: Gimli, Ahsoka
Townlean: Horse, Radja
Null: NM, Koba
Scumlean: Lostego
Scum: Clidd

Moving here for a bit
VOTE: Lostego

In post 738, Gimli son of Glóin wrote:Hullo! not much to catch up today so let's just get on with it.

In post 721, clidd wrote:Relax, Gimli. She said she will provide reads, so we can wait and evaluate the content, and yes, Dk playstyle is just like that.

Just so we're clear, my current scumread on horsewoman is based off my interpretation of #665 and not because I think horsewoman won't post her reads eventually. I don't like that she felt the need to promise work instead of doing it, but that's minimal in comparison with her thoughts on koba and, now that you and raya mentioned it, I also find her thoughts on raya in this and 666 to be quite troublesome. The townlean is fine of course, but the strength of it seems off somehow and in many directions.

Speaking of which, I'll post a theory I have but it's not worth to talk about it further because it's an associative read that's more likely wrong than not, but I think dkkoba and horsewoman have a decent chance of being scum together. koba's push on me for my horsewoman read might be the single most surprising behaviour they took this game, and once they decided to pivot from their tunnel koba said me and horsewoman have to have the same alignment. I thought this was very interesting given my more or less universal townread status, as it could be a play designed to help horsewoman go deep by hard associating her with me as her guarantor if you will. I've seen no actual reasoning to why I must have the same alignment as horsewoman instead of e.g. just being wrong about her being town, so I'm very suspicious about this line of reasoning.

In post 739, Gimli son of Glóin wrote:I like raya's posts as towny thought processes quite a lot and I also liked lostego's entrances. I have nothing else to say about those and now I'm gonna let it rest.

In post 760, Infinity 324 wrote:Koba what if I told you I'm town and gimli is scum

In post 764, Infinity 324 wrote:clidd is maybe a deepwolf if radja is scum since his reason to TR radja was not good imo, but his posting flows so naturally and his feelings about the game are so detailed that I think he's out of most people's scumranges

koba is town, their push on clidd and then taking a step back and re-evaluating felt really genuine

n_m is town cause I agree with their reads lmao

raya is I think a better pick for a radja scumbuddy as I think her play is more easily faked than clidd's at least, and she also had a bad reason to townlean radja. Also wasn't really a fan of the push on koba. I need to look at this slot more though, I remember her early posting being towny

radja hasn't done a single solvy thing all game

If ahsoka is flavor then I think he's town here because he's not trying to look town/take control of the game but not sure

Literally whenever gimli posts a read it feels like he's glossing over it a bit. It feels like he isn't giving his own reads the time they need to be properly articulated, which is super scummy.

Lostego slot has felt town to me but should probably look at this slot again as well

PEdit: cool

In post 781, Infinity 324 wrote:

In post 326, clidd wrote:Changing the subject, the fact of you voting someone null and not exactly someone in your execution pool is probably the point that I am most sympathizing with my tl on you. It seemed very genuine in the sense that you did not feel obliged to necessarily explain why you were not voting for the execution pool, as it was something that was already on your mind, and as I also unconsciously omit details sometimes that are part of the process of how I get to some conclusions (mostly as town), I believe that we have something in common (which is giving more emotional substance to my read on you).

Ok this read actually feels really genuine. People tend to be biased towards people they have something in common with, so clidd weighting this read more than I do actually makes sense now. The part about unconciously omitting things is perceptive and true in general, although radja did imply that he did it on purpose in 271.

In post 786, Infinity 324 wrote:Koba, I'm not sure if posts like that ^ contributed to your SR on clidd, because normally I think why would someone post that as town? But I think his style is just posting everything he's thinking.

In post 794, DkKoba wrote:hello. amelie ur the consensus probable elim so far what do you have to say

In post 1170, Ahsoka wrote:I was a top 3 town player this year, and honestly, I get more town solves consistently on a yearly basis than almost anyone.