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I take it back. I pulled up marcistar's ISO for 5 seconds and it's Dragons.



Probably going to wake up tomorrow with a different opinion

In post 1149, humaneatingmonkey wrote:what can i do to make people see that i'm town

or rather what can i do so that the blame's no longer on me if we lose this by being miselimmed.

I don't think anyone will blame you if you wind up getting voted out.

I do think voting right is a major concern. I haven't really been impressed by your points so far. I get that it's hard to replace-in and contribute immediately. I also have clearly struggled greatly at reaching a decision, I'm fickle and it depends on what I last happened to pull up in front of me.

Simultaneously, I think that the interpretation of 813/815 from Dragons shows clear error, and I still think that you're really quick to dismiss the posts from marci/Dwlee without stopping to think about them slowly and contextually.

fine i'll read the game front to back

Dwlee99, I'm curious about what you think of the marcistar interactions with RH9. My actual concern is that at a certain point she had phoned in the minigame and seemed to be making these half-defenses in the hopes of making him look bad.

Tinfoil? Probably.

I'd also appreciate a deeper explanation of how Dragons went from Dwlee-spewed to Dwlee is scum with Faker, but I doubt I will get one. Chewing more deeply on 704, I don't think it passes a basic smell test. It's opening the floor back up to a Dwlee vote after Dwlee vote keys in on a +town RH9 point (quoted in the linked post).

707 is also questionable coming on the heels of 704. He's seriously saying "well maybe both the interactions I thought were majorly +town and assumed all game were theater". He flips back to RH9 and Dwlee is spewed town land after me/Dwlee99 start going after RH9 in 830.

In post 1152, humaneatingmonkey wrote:fine i'll read the game front to back

For your read on Dwlee99 specifically I'd really focus on marci's posts around page 4/5 going more aggressive. I think she's caught off guard initially and later pulls out the mix of guilt trip/aggression to cover both bases in SGB at once. I think contextually that pivot of hers is very, very telling.

Like as of 704 I am steamrolling MD. My posts from 675 to 680 against her are absolutely .

My last post is 682, which is the most blatant bait and pressure I've put on him all game:

In post 682, Faker wrote:I'm also kind of curious if Dragons has any questions for myself and marcistar.

Don't get me wrong-I'm happy to see you giving content in SGB.

...But is it really okay for you to leave me to run unchecked in MD?

Suddenly Dragons decides maybe Dwlee99 is just theatering scum after all and oh man yeah what if this steamroll is actually marcistar just being LHF?

Sorry for spamming so much, but it was helpful. I think my angles have sharpened considerably. I especially want to thank HEM, whose emphasis on progressions caused me to really dig deeper into the order of operations with Dragons on Dwlee and RH9.

I hope we get a chance to dialogue tomorrow HEM. If not, though, Dragons should find it a lot easier to post if I'm not around, and hopefully that would be useful. Time to sleep!

In post 1153, Faker wrote:Dwlee99, I'm curious about what you think of the marcistar interactions with RH9. My actual concern is that at a certain point she had phoned in the minigame and seemed to be making these half-defenses in the hopes of making him look bad.

Tinfoil? Probably.

1114 yeah these are the same vibes I got from this post.

except im not scum and yall are just gomna be giving scum the W if you vote me out

can you not see how fakers managed this perfwctly? she prob just wants mafia discussion to be the fall back shes very CLEARLY pushing to get stop getting banned resolved first

In post 1158, Meuh wrote:

In post 1153, Faker wrote:Dwlee99, I'm curious about what you think of the marcistar interactions with RH9. My actual concern is that at a certain point she had phoned in the minigame and seemed to be making these half-defenses in the hopes of making him look bad.

Tinfoil? Probably.

1114 yeah these are the same vibes I got from this post.

Wait I misread RH9 as STD, that's what I get for posting right after waking up
Ignore that post

In post 1079, RH9 wrote:

In post 1077, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 1031, Faker wrote:Clear

In post 1055, RH9 wrote:Dwlee, when you finish your catch-up, what do you think of Faker's clear?

Just got it to oops I got distracted, prism could have just hammered there instead of not if she's scum? What thoughts do I need to have about it?

I was wanted to ask you if Faker's clear had any influence on your reads. That's all.

Hmm ok

In post 1110, humaneatingmonkey wrote:

Spoiler:

In post 33, Dwlee99 wrote:Marci obvscum

In post 45, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 36, marcistar wrote:

In post 20, marcistar wrote:i dont wanna play as confirmed town; i always think thats so boring
and the other one i think ill mix up what we've gotta do often

But it looks like you were doing an "oops" thing and now I want to vote you out

In post 48, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 39, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:wtf dwlee how you going to pick a place alrdy

If you loved me you'd help me kill Marci

In post 51, Dwlee99 wrote:Why Luke he called out Marci first

In post 59, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 52, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 48, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 39, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:wtf dwlee how you going to pick a place alrdy

If you loved me you'd help me kill Marci

I'm tempted to join just to help you yeet this Canadian but my talents might be needed elsewhere

I kinda want you to play conftown or 1v1 so I can read it after

In post 53, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 51, Dwlee99 wrote:Why Luke he called out Marci first

its fake distancing bullshit if luke actually BELIEVED that shit he would've gotten his modkit and jumped into SGB to yeet her

In post 54, marcistar wrote:

In post 45, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 36, marcistar wrote:

In post 20, marcistar wrote:i dont wanna play as confirmed town; i always think thats so boring
and the other one i think ill mix up what we've gotta do often

But it looks like you were doing an "oops" thing and now I want to vote you out

the only opps wouldve been my embarassment from having something not xount

glad we prevented that!

ok

In post 64, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 61, marcistar wrote:my brain told me the other 2 werent as fun as stop getting banned

Overjustification

In post 82, Dwlee99 wrote:Marci isn't solving

In post 224, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 83, marcistar wrote:what is there that i should be using to solve right now? its page 4 and not even everyone has checked in..

I solved

In post 225, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 93, marcistar wrote:i think dwlees scummy

i think they came in with a fixed mindset to push me (scum would want to do this because historically im a pretty easy miselim cuz ill just egg it on LMAO), theyre applying logic to me that could be applied to other players and are using it to call me scummy.
theyre using "oh marcis not solving" as a backing reason, which honestly doesnt seem like its in good faith using it at this point of time, not everyones in SERIOUS MODE yet. + theres been games of mine where i act EXACTLY like this early on until i find something to latcg onto, and I think they know that.

But you did a scummy thing and then didn't do anything townie so you're still scummy why does that not make sense

In post 231, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 230, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Dwlee going after Marci feels like Batman going after the Joker

I love that zero hesitation go on the hunt style play

It's Pooky-Dwlee-Marci, yeah?

This is Dwlee's first post and it's an unconventional tunnel on Marci and it's a distancing play that's compatible with how scum would need to win this game.

In post 1111, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Unconventional because Dwlee doesn't go that hard like that especially in the start of a game. They're more of a "let me adjust to the people around me" type of guy.

I've explained why I did it like this. I did think Marci was scummy but the over-the-top aspect of it was a bluff to influence scum swaps

In post 1117, humaneatingmonkey wrote:

In post 1077, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 1031, Faker wrote:Clear

In post 1055, RH9 wrote:Dwlee, when you finish your catch-up, what do you think of Faker's clear?

Just got it to oops I got distracted, prism could have just hammered there instead of not if she's scum? What thoughts do I need to have about it?

In post 1078, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't get the point of 1055 unless it's to try to get Faker limmed despite being conftown

hey here's malicious framing!

I think it's malicious framing to call it malicious framing

In post 1121, humaneatingmonkey wrote:I would think sorting both slots that you'd have to reevaluate in a mini ELo is important for scum!Dwlee but apparently not.
It's not even rooted in anything it's just "pooky TMI" which was StD's read. Then he adds to it by framing a series of my posts in a specific scum agenda without recognizing town agenda.

This is a direct lie because I was the one that came up with the pooky tmi read, not STD. I don't think you're actually trying to solve or you'd have realized that

In post 1153, Faker wrote:Dwlee99, I'm curious about what you think of the marcistar interactions with RH9. My actual concern is that at a certain point she had phoned in the minigame and seemed to be making these half-defenses in the hopes of making him look bad.

Tinfoil? Probably.

I think it could go either way. I think if Marci was comfortable with the gamestate for scum she would have just stopped posting though

Can you link the particular interactions you're talking about? I remember them happening but I want to find gamestate when they do

Honestly, I think tracking through Dragons' read progression on you/me, against the timing of the minigames, is a lot more interesting. That's all on this page.

I just woke up and am still groggy but here's an example of what I mean about marci's posts, where her stance on RH9 starts verring towards a little too explicit:

In post 858, marcistar wrote:dwlee does seem a bit better lately, but they're still the scummiest of the stop getting banned bunch.

dwlee -> rh9 -> dragons

everyones jump onto rh9 lately makes me wary of that push.

Meuh I'm sure you know but just to remind both of us we do need to kick me out at some point.

shut up scum ur prob so happy ur gonna get ur W

ur so mean... think of all the tears everyone will shed

u should let town win this minigame instead of completly steamrolling us

i already think lukes pretty sad, he usually doesnt make mistakes like this

do you want the rest of town to be sad like him?!?!?! please have mercy on us..

We've got 17 hours.

I don't have a vote. At some point players should start voting. Personally, I heavily prefer not-Dwlee99 and lean towards Dragons being the last scum. I've got a long list of concerns about RH9 but I think Dragons' progression around me/Dwlee99 is borderline indefensible and the timing is blatantly opportunistic. I think the interactions also point towards Dragons at the end of the day, with marci's 857 and 858 being bad attempts at misdirection.

Whoever is town please carry me.

858 I don't think comes from Marci partnered with Dwlee
I'm also willing to narrow it down to HEM/STD

In post 1168, Faker wrote:Meuh I'm sure you know but just to remind both of us we do need to kick me out at some point.

Ready to vote Marci anytime