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I was talking in relation to trusting other people's reads, but sure.

I said Math could be scum and voted them multiple times. Sure, I didn't end up on the elim wagon but at least my read was right.

Your slot has been wrong on two confirmed scum so far. Not even just slightly wrong either, like go to bat for them wrong. So, yeah, not comparable.

In post 11567, Roden wrote:

In post 11555, Best Bird wrote:Hey Roden - can you go back to being like the Roden who existed between posts 9803 and 11126? Plskthx.

You react REALLY badly to pressure

as scum

to outright idiocy, holy shit

ftfy

pretend the strikethrough went through properly and struck "to pressure" as well.

In post 11575, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I was talking in relation to trusting other people's reads, but sure.

I said Math could be scum and voted them multiple times. Sure, I didn't end up on the elim wagon but at least my read was right.

Your slot has been wrong on two confirmed scum so far. Not even just slightly wrong either, like go to bat for them wrong. So, yeah, not comparable.

I voted Math on. d1 and I don’t see how wanting to wait for a replacement makes me scum. Maybe not if you’re scum here.

OK, and I was staying busy scum hunting while waiting for a replacement, too. So, doesn't that negate your previous post?

Your slot said Math was 80% town and that was at start of D2 I believe.

In post 11579, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:OK, and I was staying busy scum hunting while waiting for a replacement, too. So, doesn't that negate your previous post?

Your slot said Math was 80% town and that was at start of D2 I believe.

If you want to go 1v1 with me, I seriously hope you’re town doing it and that’s all I’m going to say about that for now. I find your push on my slot +scum because of the obvious hypocrisy wrt your reasoning.

Why are you so worried about my read?

In post 11581, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Why are you so worried about my read?

It’s mine because I was starting to lean possible town on you and now I’m once again questioning that. You were never a clear for me but I’m not tr your push on me.

In post 11558, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I understand I have to wait for a fair few people to die before I start pushing Butterflies so I just have to be patient with that one.

You shouldn't trust other people's reads either; especially when they're scum

Remember, they had Math at '80% town' and 'hard TR' Bella, too.

This post in particular reads really scummy to me.

In post 11583, butterflies wrote:

In post 11558, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I understand I have to wait for a fair few people to die before I start pushing Butterflies so I just have to be patient with that one.

You shouldn't trust other people's reads either; especially when they're scum

Remember, they had Math at '80% town' and 'hard TR' Bella, too.

This post in particular reads really scummy to me.

VOTE: BBT

You don't see how I could possibly think you're scum in this game? I mean, there is no reason to elim you from my PoE and on top of that you heavily town read both flipped scum.

Like, how do you not understand where this read could come from?

PEdit - Why is it scummy?

In post 11585, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You don't see how I could possibly think you're scum in this game? I mean, there is no reason to elim you from my PoE and on top of that you heavily town read both flipped scum.

Like, how do you not understand where this read could come from?

PEdit - Why is it scummy?

Because you never hardpushed Math, you kept looking for other wagons and also defended Bella, so I struggle to see how your push on me is a real town thought coming from you.

I didn't hard push Math, no. In fact, I probably haven't hard pushed anyone and I have stated why my play has been the way it has multiple times already.

The only times I looked for other wagons was when Math was being replaced. What is the point in an idle vote/push when gaining no more information?

I did defend Bella, yeah. I have explained that, too.

In post 11584, butterflies wrote:

In post 11583, butterflies wrote:

In post 11558, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I understand I have to wait for a fair few people to die before I start pushing Butterflies so I just have to be patient with that one.

You shouldn't trust other people's reads either; especially when they're scum

Remember, they had Math at '80% town' and 'hard TR' Bella, too.

This post in particular reads really scummy to me.

VOTE: BBT

This post is scum indicative because you’re already trying to set up my miselim in advance. If you were town here, you be wanting to re-evaluate after those other flips and say something like that but no, you’re already locked on me as scum before you even see those flips. I don’t see how town ever thinks like this.

In post 11587, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I didn't hard push Math, no. In fact, I probably haven't hard pushed anyone and I have stated why my play has been the way it has multiple times already.

The only times I looked for other wagons was when Math was being replaced. What is the point in an idle vote/push when gaining no more information?

I did defend Bella, yeah. I have explained that, too.

I mean - that's the point. There are similarities in that you both defended scum and didn't vote for the wagons on flipped scum yet you are scum reading butterflies for it while saying "oh I have explained it" for you.

I mean, I told you that openly? Why would I do that as scum? Just state my entire game plan for the world to see, hahaha. That's silly.

I understand because of the meta circle we have in this game that elimming certain people (you being one of them) is difficult with x amount of people alive who won't consider you scum until D8 or some shit and nothing else starts to make sense.

Then people say 'Huh, maybe my meta read of X that I held on to for 750 pages is actually wrong and maybe they could actually be scum because of x, y and z.' That's when town's eyes are open to ALL possibilities. I have to wait for that to happen and I'm cool with that. I'm not going anywhere any time soon.

In post 11589, Best Bird wrote:have explained that, too.

I mean - that's the point. There are similarities in that you both defended scum and didn't vote for the wagons on flipped scum yet you are scum reading butterflies for it while saying "oh I have explained it" for you.[/quote]
Hi there,

I understand you feel the need to come and defend your scum buddy. However, as I previously stated, my reads on Math and Bella are simply not comparable to Butterflies.

I hope this clears things up for you.

Thanks for stopping by.

I don't know how I did that.

In post 8589, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:

In post 8583, Bell wrote:How do you feel about Mathblade BBT.

Math can be scum.
I didn't like Corwin's original read on me as default scum and I don't like Math's push on me Today at all. I'm sure he was another who tried to frame the night actions as pointing to scum!BBT

In post 9181, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:

In post 9179, Bellaphant wrote:C and g too. In my head I get hung up on only one of them or math can be scum but that's not mechanicalky true is it

I don't know. I think it would be weird for Math AND C&G to be scum and be in a neighbourhood. Like, that literally makes no sense at all.

In post 9187, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Can I interest you in a C&G vote, Bella?

In post 9463, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Malcolm absolutely shouldn't be today's elim.

C&G is still a fantastic option though

In post 9465, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Yeah, they're apparently in a hood together.

What's the case for scum!Math?

In post 9765, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:We just gonna ignore how hedgy DP were with Math yesterday and how they tried to run me up to counter him?

Cool. Cool.

Feels pretty pot/kettle to me.

yw - it's been a fun visit

In post 11589, Best Bird wrote:

In post 11587, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I didn't hard push Math, no. In fact, I probably haven't hard pushed anyone and I have stated why my play has been the way it has multiple times already.

The only times I looked for other wagons was when Math was being replaced. What is the point in an idle vote/push when gaining no more information?

I did defend Bella, yeah. I have explained that, too.

I mean - that's the point. There are similarities in that you both defended scum and didn't vote for the wagons on flipped scum yet you are scum reading butterflies for it while saying "oh I have explained it" for you.

+1

Yeah exactly. Had BBT just left it as I’m going to keep butterflies in my PoE until I see those other flips, that would be fine but to say he’s waiting to push me but needs a few flips first - without seeing what those flips even are, is just gross.

And that’s on top of the illogical thought progression based on his hypocritical read.

Hi again BB,

You will see that what you have quoted is not what we were discussing but for the sake of clarity, I shall address it.

I looked at other wagons once Math was being replaced. It seemed pointless to leave my vote on Math and not do much else while waiting.

I hope this clears things up for you.

Thanks for stopping by. Again.

DP running me up to counter the Math wagon is a great point though. Well done, me!

In post 11596, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:DP running me up to counter the Math wagon is a great point though. Well done, me!

I love how you just ignored everything I and BB just said.

In post 11590, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I mean, I told you that openly?

Why would I do that as scum? Just state my entire game plan for the world to see, hahaha.

That's silly.

I understand because of the meta circle we have in this game that elimming certain people (you being one of them) is difficult with x amount of people alive who won't consider you scum until D8 or some shit and nothing else starts to make sense.

Then people say 'Huh, maybe my meta read of X that I held on to for 750 pages is actually wrong and maybe they could actually be scum because of x, y and z.' That's when town's eyes are open to ALL possibilities. I have to wait for that to happen and I'm cool with that. I'm not going anywhere any time soon.

I still think you're town but I don't think this is particularly unrealistic for self-aware scum to do. Otherwise anyone who's scum could just say "I wouldn't do this as scum" and get away with it. I don't think that in particular is always a good reason to townread someone.

I try not to let scum influence my thoughts, you know?

PEdit - Malcolm, you're allowed to reverse your town read on me (I am voting you after all!). You didn't answer me when I asked why you were so sure I was town and that post looks like the start of you reversing the read.