In post 11599, Klick wrote:I guess I just want to stress that like... I feel fairly strongly about my reads at the moment? And if you're not confident, and SoD isn't sure on his reads, then I'd love it if my reads were sheeped to endgame. Because I don't really see another valid way for town to come together for a win at this point other than getting behind a unified set of reads.
Quoted for pagetop
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:30 am
by Menalque
My plan for maybe winning this game has been to pure sheep you for at least the last 2 in game days
Like I’m never voting ducks or freedom this game unless we somehow end up in 3p elo and I have to
I won’t vote yet in case ducks/freedom wanna respond to that
Alternatively if they don’t have anything to add and wanna put FL at E-1 I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t take GREAT satisfaction in being the one who gets to hammer him this game
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:49 am
by Cephrir
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:08 am
by Sword of Ducks
In post 11601, Menalque wrote:My plan for maybe winning this game has been to pure sheep you for at least the last 2 in game days
Like I’m never voting ducks or freedom this game unless we somehow end up in 3p elo and I have to
I won’t vote yet in case ducks/freedom wanna respond to that
Alternatively if they don’t have anything to add and wanna put FL at E-1 I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t take GREAT satisfaction in being the one who gets to hammer him this game
UNVOTE: NashvilleDreams
VOTE: tictac
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:26 am
by Klick
Thoughts, SoD?
My main thing at the moment is that in order for town to win at this point, we need to get all four town on the same page. Unifying is just as important as getting it right. Without the town players on the same page, we cannot eliminate scum here.
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:28 am
by Klick
I'd like to discuss this with you in particular SoD because I think you're very obvious town and think we need to cooperate to win.
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:08 am
by Flavor Leaf
Well, 3 of the town are together
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:12 am
by Flavor Leaf
@Nashville - Please fade TicTac. I know it’s not the Mafia fade, but I will flip town, and I die tonight from wolf.
If Sword is Mafia, they’re likely gonna trust my read enough to kill Menalque over you. If I were Mafia, I always kill Menalque too.
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:28 am
by Sword of Ducks
In post 11605, Klick wrote:I'd like to discuss this with you in particular SoD because I think you're very obvious town and think we need to cooperate to win.
Thoughts? I trust no one but Flavor.
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:35 am
by tictac
@Nashville - Please fade leaf. I know it’s not the Wolf fade, but I will flip town, and I die tonight from mafia.
except imma not gonna die cause we yeeting the last maf.
i'll probs get yeeted tomorrow tho. trying to come up w the magic words to say and make that not happen.
best effort: if we yeeted leaf when i wanted 2 we'd be in 9p rn from reduced KPN. wolf-me wold have wanted him around as long as we in fact kept him around for.
less effort: abracadabra?
In post 11605, Klick wrote:I'd like to discuss this with you in particular SoD because I think you're very obvious town and think we need to cooperate to win.
Thoughts? I trust no one but Flavor.
I am confirmed town. I am a Mason, and MathBlade has a result on me that I am not a Werewolf. I cannot be scum here.
I was going to wait and see if CSF tested Klick but given CSF is dead then
VOTE: FL
Klick is not occult and is conf town.
So can we please elim FL now?
Titus can you please just let go of this FL is town pipe dream you have here?
It just doesn’t work.
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:25 am
by Klick
I really don't want to just drop this into the chance that both scum teams decide it's in their best interests to aim for each other. But if that's what we have to do, then so be it.
It helps that that likely is both of their best plays, considering the town can't coordinate.
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:07 am
by Flavor Leaf
@Klick - just because you are Conf town, doesn’t mean you are correct in reads. If anything being Conf town makes it more likely you are incorrect, similar to Mathblade in I believe it was the Go game.
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:10 am
by Flavor Leaf
Sword didn’t say they didn’t see you were town, they said they trusted nobody but me, which I feel makes sense.
I’ve ran up and caught 4 out of the 5 flipped scum.
And the only way I can be Mafia is by killing my own partner in Mastina the night after Enchant dies.
That does not happen.
You are leaning towards me because you are paranoid I am Mafia, rather than actually thinking I am, with my death.
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:15 am
by Flavor Leaf
I have also been actively defending Sword since Day 1, and while I’m paranoid of giving them the pass I did, everything they have done feels townie, and I just don’t believe they pocket me this hard if they are scum.
You are the town that is mixed up right now, Klick.
And as the person who has literally been a main pusher of 4 of the 5 scum.
Here’s why a Wolf kill is better than going for a Mafia one right now:
Yes, killing Mafia is preferred, however I AM TOWN. The Mafia slot is much more hidden than the wolf slot, and you are risking the game pushing me just because you are paranoid of me pulling the kill Mastina gambit.
In a scenario where one of the others is Mafia, they automatically know that both Klick and myself are not mafia or wolves, which drastically lowers the chances that they miss.
My plan literally wins the game for Town 90% of the time, and if I were Mafia, my plan actively makes sure I lose.
Please get over your Flavor Fever.
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:16 am
by Flavor Leaf
Like if I was anyone but me, I’d be the towniest person in this game.
The only smidgeon of ScumMe that’s possible for me is killing my own scum partner with literally no path of victory.
Like, I am actively objectively town here.
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:20 am
by Klick
There is no sort of guarantee that Mafia and Wolves target each other tonight. Your plan assumes there is. But there isn't. I wish there was. But there is not.
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:25 am
by Sword of Ducks
In post 11617, Klick wrote:There is no sort of guarantee that Mafia and Wolves target each other tonight. Your plan assumes there is. But there isn't. I wish there was. But there is not.
I'd rather take that chance.
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:37 am
by Flavor Leaf
In post 11617, Klick wrote:There is no sort of guarantee that Mafia and Wolves target each other tonight. Your plan assumes there is. But there isn't. I wish there was. But there is not.
You’re betting on it happening even moreso by fading me, though.
And I also disagree.
If you think I’m Mafia, Wolves 100% always shoot me tonight.
Simple as that.
You’re choosing not to see the context in the game outside of the math statistics. You and I automatically don’t get targeted by Mafia.
You are going to lose the game for town with what I believe is your incorrect read on Menalque.
I also feel like if you truly thought I was Mafia here, my read on Wolves would be far superior from having that insider knowledge.
Are you a Wolf Godfather Commuter or something defending wolf partner Menalque?
My fade leads to a Wolf victory almost 100% of the time.
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:44 am
by Klick
In post 11596, Klick wrote:I feel like even if you're town your elimination doesn't doom us. At that point the remaining Mafia really does have to shoot a Wolf, and the Wolves are better served shooting for Mafia than for Town to avoid Mafia shooting them again the next night.
This doesn't square with 'my fade leads to a Wolf victory almost 100% of the time'
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:46 am
by Flavor Leaf
@Nashville - if you believe Menalque is scum, please fade TicTac.
Klick’s read on Menalque does not make sense at all, and they refuse to dive deeper into anything besides just saying “they’re super town”
When objectively, Menalque has one of the scummiest ISO’s in the game.
I’d almost rather fade Menalque than TicTac at this point, so Nashville, if you want either of TicTac or Menalque, I’m happy to go on board. Sword is not a wolf here based on how they’ve played today. Same with Freedom. They’re Mafia if they are scum, meaning they want wolves too.
I will be shot by wolves 100% of the time, and the Mafia will shoot the one of the wolves that didn’t die tonight.
I have called you not a Wolf essentially all game, and that makes absolutely zero sense ever coming from Mafia in my position.
I’ve essentially locked out myself from victory if I were Mafia.
Bob TicTac and Menalque are hard incriminated as wolves by VCA.
Frankly, if Klick does happen to be a godfather, then TicTac is the town.
Menalque is almost always scum here, and if he isn’t wolf, he is Mafia.
Look back at my VCA from a few days ago.
Mathblade-Cass-Menalque were the purples on my wagon and Dunnstral. Menalque is the final one there.
His mentality in this game became super disinterested in this game once Catboi died, and he’s been pushing the blame of that on me constantly.
This is because he genuinely feels that way because he is a Wolf who lost a scum partner in Catboi that he was hard defending.
His activity for the days after is exactly loss of partner depression.
I am not wrong in Menalque being scum despite if he started becoming townie by tone the past day or so.
Objectively he has not.
Even if you still believe I’m the most likely chance at being Mafia, that should almost strengthen the resolve I have in my solve.
I have been close to on the money almost all game this game, yes, there’s been a few hiccups, but I have been under fire all game.
The combination of those two is the biggest town tell I have.
In post 11617, Klick wrote:There is no sort of guarantee that Mafia and Wolves target each other tonight. Your plan assumes there is. But there isn't. I wish there was. But there is not.
I'd rather take that chance.
With this, the last care I had goes out the window
In post 11596, Klick wrote:I feel like even if you're town your elimination doesn't doom us. At that point the remaining Mafia really does have to shoot a Wolf, and the Wolves are better served shooting for Mafia than for Town to avoid Mafia shooting them again the next night.
This doesn't square with 'my fade leads to a Wolf victory almost 100% of the time'
That’s effectively a policy then.
It’s not a 100% defeat, but the amount of luck required just goes dramatically up because Wolves don’t have to shoot me.