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Posted: **Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:42 pm**

I can't tell if you're trying to confuse us into not suspecting you or what.

Nashville claims Vanilla Cop
Nashville claims Freedom is Not Vanilla
Freedom claims Vanilla

= either Nashville or Freedom is lying.

Posted: **Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:44 pm**

I feel confident enough to vote right now based on my own reading. If you want to change my mind, the way to do it will be by showing me how the Freedom slot is scum here.

Posted: **Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:48 pm**

Basically, we're still playing Mafia. If you're town, take the scum and show me why they're scum. You might have confbias now, but if you're town you should still see where the slot does things that help the Wolves.

Posted: **Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:48 pm**

UNVOTE:

Posted: **Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:53 pm**

In post 11700, Klick wrote:I can't tell if you're trying to confuse us into not suspecting you or what.

Nashville claims Vanilla Cop
Nashville claims Freedom is Not Vanilla
Freedom claims Vanilla

= either Nashville or Freedom is lying.

Don't forget 11697 where Nashville backtracks and blames Ceph for messing up results.

Posted: **Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:03 pm**

By the way, can anybody explain why scum!me doesn't just NK Klick instead of FL? It is more beneficial if scum!me wants to win.

Posted: **Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:28 pm**

In post 11705, Freedom wrote:By the way, can anybody explain why scum!me doesn't just NK Klick instead of FL? It is more beneficial if scum!me wants to win.

I'd like to hear a response to this from Nashville

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:09 am**

In post 11681, Nashville Dreams wrote:SoD Vanilla
Mastina not vanilla
Cassowary not vanilla
Keeper not vanilla
Bnuuy vanilla
Menalque vanilla
Freedom not vanilla

Something I'm particularly bothered by is that every single result Nashville has given is confirming (or in Freedom's case, refuting) the claim of someone who had already claimed in the thread.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:12 am**

So I love to hear sort of the justification behind the targets you chose each night Nashville. I'm assuming you both discussed it between each other each night?

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:40 am**

In post 11707, Klick wrote:
In post 11681, Nashville Dreams wrote:SoD Vanilla
Mastina not vanilla
Cassowary not vanilla
Keeper not vanilla
Bnuuy vanilla
Menalque vanilla
Freedom not vanilla
Something I'm particularly bothered by is that every single result Nashville has given is confirming (or in Freedom's case, refuting) the claim of someone who had already claimed in the thread.

I largely unilaterally made the choices towards the later half.

I deliberately wanted to target outed roles to confirm or deny scum as it is highest utility. People pushed Sword, and I think Freedom did in particular (if memory serves), but I didn't want to eliminate my match. If mastina was a vanilla, they'd be outed scum. Cassowary got a nonvanilla result, when we suspected most town would be vanilla. Hence the minor FoS.

Afterwards, we massclaimed, so we could only confirm or deny. That's the point of a VC.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:42 am**

In post 11706, Klick wrote:
In post 11705, Freedom wrote:By the way, can anybody explain why scum!me doesn't just NK Klick instead of FL? It is more beneficial if scum!me wants to win.
I'd like to hear a response to this from Nashville

Absolutely not. Scum freedom has to gamble on FL not shooting him because of no draw rules that have been highlighted. We're an easy miselimination.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:50 am**

In post 301, Cephrir wrote:
votecount 1.1
catboi (6) | Menalque, NorwegianboyEE, MonkeyMan576, Wallflower, Sword of Ducks, MalcolmTucker
MonkeyMan576 (2) | tictac, butterchurn
Sword of Ducks (2) | catboi, Nashville Dreams
bnuuy (2) | Save The Dragons, Klick
Save The Dragons (1) | bnuuy
MalcolmTucker (1) | Cat Scratch Fever
Wallflower (1) | Tracer Bullet

Not Voting | cassowary, Enchant, Flavor Leaf, MegAzumarill, momo, Well Done, The Keeper, mastina

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 09:41:00).

In post 1752, Cephrir wrote:
votecount 1.8
catboi (6) | tictac, Tracer Bullet, MegAzumarill, Toogeloo, Flavor Leaf, MonkeyMan576

Nashville Dreams (4) | NorwegianboyEE, Save The Dragons, Wallflower, butterchurn

MonkeyMan576 (3) | Nashville Dreams, cassowary, bnuuy

bnuuy (2) | Menalque, catboi

Wallflower (1) | MalcolmTucker
Save The Dragons (1) | The Keeper
Menalque (1) | Well Done
MegAzumarill (1) | Cat Scratch Fever

Not Voting | Enchant, mastina, Sword of Ducks, Klick

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 09:41:00).

In post 2931, Cephrir wrote:
votecount 1.14
catboi (6) | MegAzumarill, MonkeyMan576, Flavor Leaf, tictac, Wallflower, Toogeloo

Nashville Dreams (5) | NorwegianboyEE, butterchurn, Save The Dragons, Cat Scratch Fever, Well Done

MonkeyMan576 (3) | Nashville Dreams, cassowary, bnuuy

tictac (2) | catboi, Menalque

Flavor Leaf (1) | Klick
Save The Dragons (1) | The Keeper
Well Done (1) | Sword of Ducks
The Keeper (1) | MalcolmTucker
Wallflower (1) | SCP 682

Not Voting | Enchant, mastina

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 09:41:00).

In post 4113, Cephrir wrote:
Wallflower has requested replacement.

In post 4555, Cephrir wrote:
votecount 1.22
Toogeloo (7) | SCP 682, Ydrasse, Menalque, butterchurn, tictac, catboi, Save The Dragons

tictac (4) | Nashville Dreams, Well Done, MonkeyMan576, Cat Scratch Fever

bnuuy (3) | mastina, Klick, cassowary

catboi (1) | Flavor Leaf
MonkeyMan576 (1) | bnuuy
Save The Dragons (1) | The Keeper
butterchurn (1) | Nero Cain
Ydrasse (1) | Sword of Ducks
mastina (1) | Toogeloo

Not Voting | Enchant, MegAzumarill, MalcolmTucker

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 09:41:00).

In post 5186, Cephrir wrote:
votecount 1.23
Toogeloo (10) | SCP 682, Ydrasse, Menalque, butterchurn, tictac, catboi, mastina, Klick, Sword of Ducks, Save The Dragons

catboi (6) | MonkeyMan576, Nero Cain, Nashville Dreams, Flavor Leaf, Toogeloo, Cat Scratch Fever

MonkeyMan576 (2) | bnuuy, The Keeper

The Keeper (1) | Enchant
Flavor Leaf (1) | Dunnstral

Not Voting | MegAzumarill, MalcolmTucker, cassowary

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 09:41:00).

Let's look at WallFlower's vote changes D1.

Almost everytime, WallFlower sheeps consensus and jumps on the new hot wagon. He avoids the tictac wagon though. He's willing to vote wolves, when it won't go through. He doesn't want to be caught on the actual miselimination going through.

In 4555, NC could vote tictac or bnuuy. Instead he votes Butter. The slot gets on in prime bussing territory and bails when it gets close.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:03 am**

In post 11709, Nashville Dreams wrote:
In post 11707, Klick wrote:
In post 11681, Nashville Dreams wrote:SoD Vanilla
Mastina not vanilla
Cassowary not vanilla
Keeper not vanilla
Bnuuy vanilla
Menalque vanilla
Freedom not vanilla
Something I'm particularly bothered by is that every single result Nashville has given is confirming (or in Freedom's case, refuting) the claim of someone who had already claimed in the thread.
I largely unilaterally made the choices towards the later half.

I deliberately wanted to target outed roles to confirm or deny scum as it is highest utility. People pushed Sword, and I think Freedom did in particular (if memory serves), but I didn't want to eliminate my match. If mastina was a vanilla, they'd be outed scum. Cassowary got a nonvanilla result, when we suspected most town would be vanilla. Hence the minor FoS.

Afterwards, we massclaimed, so we could only confirm or deny. That's the point of a VC.

What went into the Keeper decision?

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:06 am**

In post 11709, Nashville Dreams wrote:I deliberately wanted to target outed roles to confirm or deny scum as it is highest utility.

Would you consider this sort of the 'guiding principle' behind the choices you made?

Also is this Titus making these decisions?

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:46 am**

In post 11713, Klick wrote:
In post 11709, Nashville Dreams wrote:I deliberately wanted to target outed roles to confirm or deny scum as it is highest utility.
Would you consider this sort of the 'guiding principle' behind the choices you made?

Also is this Titus making these decisions?

Yes largely. I was following along Nero's paranoia that Keeper was not a gladiator due to Keeper's inaction.

Proper grammar = 90% or greater of being a Titus post.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:48 am**

We are also missing a wolf roleblocker or the like.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:50 am**

I thought it was Nero's by memory but I can't find it. Math had that too.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:49 am**

In post 11710, Nashville Dreams wrote:
In post 11706, Klick wrote:
In post 11705, Freedom wrote:By the way, can anybody explain why scum!me doesn't just NK Klick instead of FL? It is more beneficial if scum!me wants to win.
I'd like to hear a response to this from Nashville
Absolutely not. Scum freedom has to gamble on FL not shooting him because of no draw rules that have been highlighted. We're an easy miselimination.

I do?
FL wanted to shoot Mena. He said in 11663.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:24 pm**

It doesn't matter who Flavor would want to shoot last night. The wolf had a choice 2 v 1 v 1 or 3 v 1 if Flavor hit town. In a two v 1 v 1 setup, town no lims and the game is in Flavor's hands. In a 3 v 1 setup, the wolf survives one elimination. Who survives a single elimination easier? The slot widely townread.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:26 pm**

Flavor also townread us whenever we interacted at length, which means Flavor might shoot you in a 2 v 1 v 1.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:30 pm**

In post 11715, Nashville Dreams wrote:We are also missing a wolf roleblocker or the like.

By the way, when was a Werewolf Roleblocker mentioned specifically to exist?

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:31 pm**

I don't recall any mention of any Werewolf PRs except for Mason.
And of course, catboi's slot flipped Bookie.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:47 pm**

In post 11720, Freedom wrote:
In post 11715, Nashville Dreams wrote:We are also missing a wolf roleblocker or the like.
By the way, when was a Werewolf Roleblocker mentioned specifically to exist?

It hasn't been and it doesn't specifically need to be a roleblocker per se but the wolf team has no ability to block kills or interrupt the occulist unless you're a roleblocker.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:03 pm**

@SoD I'm curious what you think.

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:08 pm**

@Titus, can you explain why Mala and you contradict each other on whether I'm a Vanilla or PR?
I'm not sure if you answered this already but I want to double check.

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