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tanstalas wrote:

Furry wrote: 5) palmertrou is nearly confirmed town due to mod error thing. Yes it is WIFOM, but it is still a strong tell.

Ugh - We're going to play "Outguess the mod" now? I'd call that a null tell if even a tell

Sort of a tell though if the mod wasnt super on top of thinking of all possible scenarios. Enough to make a null-town read a town read.

lulz fate forgetting everything I already said... we will try it again then.

First, only town hiders had reason to target SB holder, not "all town roles", so its not like scum was going to get a crapton of information about who had roles if they watched you. Second, they would only be able to catch a HIDER. Hider, la de frickin da.

What is the benifit for scum knowing who a hider is? Knowing one player, who will very likely self-destruct by the end of the game is essentially unkillable? Not like scum could ever counter that combo regardless of what they knew.

So this goes back to the arguement of a watcher targeting a known BP player. Scum gains absolutely nothing out of that deal. They get, at most, one role. Scum is not going to do that. If SSK was scum, his partners would have gone "lol you idiot dont target fate", that didnt happen, so SSK was either thinking wierd, or not paying attention to SB making someone NK-immune.

Also for crumbing - Yes or no, did nacho target you N1?

Furry, why are you rolefishing with two hooks?

I feel like we should have followed through with this yesterday.

really need to read the thread again.

I don't know why, but something tells me that pika targeted Zazier.
Just the fact that Quad was unrecognizable makes me question if the smash ball was not used on him.
Though I still need pika to claim who he protected.

Bunnylover wrote:I don't know why, but something tells me that pika targeted Zazier.
Just the fact that Quad was unrecognizable makes me question if the smash ball was not used on him.

Though I still need pika to claim who he protected.

You mean targeted?

tanstalas wrote:

Bunnylover wrote:I don't know why, but something tells me that pika targeted Zazier.
Just the fact that Quad was unrecognizable makes me question if the smash ball was not used on him.

Though I still need pika to claim who he protected.

You mean targeted?

I'm still wondering why you are so crazy to know who the doctors protected

tanstalas wrote:

tanstalas wrote:

Bunnylover wrote:I don't know why, but something tells me that pika targeted Zazier.
Just the fact that Quad was unrecognizable makes me question if the smash ball was not used on him.

Though I still need pika to claim who he protected.

You mean targeted?

I'm still wondering why you are so crazy to know who the doctors protected

Hopefully based on what Pika says I can make a deduction.
And if I can't do that, then I am fucked.

Guys. We shot Framm. Sorry. He was lurking, under the radar, and being generally scummy...if you ISO him you can probably see we were justified.

Well I suppose we don't have too long to live, but I'm pretty sure we forgot to send in a protect last night, unless AGM did it. I think we protected Furry both of the other two nights.

NACHO WHY IN THE HELL DID YOUR SMASHBALL NOT GO THROUGH

Depending on the next post from one particular player manho may just have to be SB'ed tonight due to a more obvious scum member. Now we play the waiting game.

Also I still am all twitchy from last moth post. Friends I have been hanging out with since he made it think I have a neurological disorder or something.

@kirby - Read closer, it is obvious.

Damn shame about Esurio Dying, I had a Breaking Strategy in mind.

bunnylover is scum.

forgot that we are using separate vote count...

, since i really don't know who i can trust.

He still needs to give us that theory. Just tell him who you protected, for gods sake, so we can see what is up with this guy.

mongoose wrote:

lynch vote: bunnylover

He still needs to give us that theory. Just tell him who you protected, for gods sake, so we can see what is up with this guy.

Pika already answered this and Zaz is dead, pay fucking attention

Ok pretty much I believe Fate is scum, the godfather of the other mafia team.
It does not make sense for Fate to still be alive in this game.
One of the reason we gave Fate the smash ball night one was because we had all assumed he was townie and he would be killed if he did not have protection.
Ok that would explain why he surivived night one, but not the two other nights since Pika claimed that they did not protect him, they been protecting
Furry.
Each night action should end with 3 people dieing since their are two mafia group, (each group kills one person, then a smash ball kills another), for two nights
only 2 people died, and in this recent night 3 people have died. I would suspect that the reason only two died in the first night is because one night one team targeted
Furry, who was protected thanks to Pika. While the next night a team targeted Fate, but was not able to kill him since mafia godfather is immune to night kill( and
I am not sure, but when I played other games mafia could not kill other mafia so Fate could just be a regular mafia member if the same applies to this game).
Not only do I find it funny that Fate has not yet died, Fate has also been in charge of each lynch. And other then the obvious slip up of Diddin, every lynch we have
done has ended up townie. Fang has a lot of influence in controlling the direction this game goes into, if you look at the other day you can see that Fate is the one
who is directing who the votes should go to.
Having everyone claimed that Fate was townie day 1 has allowed Fate to play however the hell he wants, and not have anyone suspect him.
You can all do whatever you want with this information, but this is what I've been thinking for awhile.

I know the theory of Fate is scum isn't strong, but its what I believe.

As for the two who voted for me
Manho give a reason not just oh he scum.
Mongoose I think I understand your vote.

You're fuckin kidding right?

So that role related info you had up your sleeve turns out to be your scum team shooting at me.

Lol.



Fullclaikm in your next post. I'm fuckin pissed I defended you yesterday

The smash ball didn't go through because I submitted after deadline...

And Furry needs to die now. He was my original smash ball target, and I'm still pretty sure he's scum. More to come later, but here's my original reasoning for wanting him smashed (it's in note form, so it's a bit sloppy):

D1 Furry:

Has some "complicated theory" why he doesn't want to townvote Fate. Never explained.

Votes MPR for bringing up the double lynch theory; town-votes Paltry who does the exact same thing in the next post. This especially scummy because the only notable thing Paltry did was bringing up the double-lynch theory. Furry couldn't have agreed with his suspicions, because he wanted to lynch diddin (Paltry disagreed with that), and he never commented on Switz or manho at all.

New reason for voting MPR: People wagoned him for no reson so he voted them? Since when is that scummy...? Again brings up the double lynch theory, which is the same thing that Paltry brought up. Now fully endorses the Fate wagon, so secret explanation is dropped.

Strongly believes there's a hider that should be targeting the SB holder.

D2 Furry:

New reason for voting MPR: MPR put Mafia SSK down for hammering? No, he asked if SSK knew it was a hammer >.>. Misrep.

Doesn't trust my reads, and that's why Furry hesitated town voting me? But Furry does trust the reads of kocc, Stelz, Paltry...?

Oh, now MPR is scum because of diddin's flip. And Furry has another secret reason for hesitating in town-voting town. Whee!

Furry expects all of the obvtown players to stay alive until endgame because Furry thinks there's doctor? That's a bit narrow-minded in a large theme game with two seperate scumkills to block, dontcha think?

"A doctor would've been an idiot to be on you N1."
This is coming from the same person who absolutely refused to townvote Fate until the very end...

MPR overhammered? No, MPR HAMMERED. He didn't ignore diddin the whole time, either... In fact, MPR votes him for his claim in post #19...

Furry believes gandalf is Jester. Then Mafia. Then BP. If gandalf is mafia, then why would he be trying to get lynched? Wouldn't that suggest that something nasty would happen if we lynched him, meaning we should vig him instead? I still don't understand Furry's reasoning for lynching him, whether he's telling the truth or not... >.>

Furry interactions with diddin:

ISO 0:
Vote Kirby, FoS diddin
(Vote townie, FoS partner?)

ISO 7:
Calls diddin a good lynch.

ISO 9:
Calls diddin a good lynch.

diddin interactions with Furry:

ISO #13: Calls Furry townier than Fate.

Fate wrote:You're fuckin kidding right?

So that role related info you had up your sleeve turns out to be your scum team shooting at me.

Lol.

unvote:
Lynchvote: Bunnylover

Fullclaikm in your next post. I'm fuckin pissed I defended you yesterday

I know you defended me, which made me feel like, "fuck I should have just kept quiet, now I'm going to attack one person who just got through defending me".
Maybe its your play style, but I made my post.
I am the Ice Climbers, a vanilla townie, the only active ability I have are my vote and voice. No passive ability, winning condition is when all threats to the town have been eliminated. I can provide the picture too if you want.

Nachomamma8 wrote:Has some "complicated theory" why he doesn't want to townvote Fate. Never explained.

Holding off is better incase a claim happens, like what happened with pikachu yesterday.

Votes MPR for bringing up the double lynch theory; town-votes Paltry who does the exact same thing in the next post. This especially scummy because the only notable thing Paltry did was bringing up the double-lynch theory. Furry couldn't have agreed with his suspicions, because he wanted to lynch diddin (Paltry disagreed with that), and he never commented on Switz or manho at all.

Paltry brought up that double lynch was bad, not good. MPR was the lucky winner due to being scummy apart from that suggestion.

New reason for voting MPR: People wagoned him for no reson so he voted them? Since when is that scummy...? Again brings up the double lynch theory, which is the same thing that Paltry brought up. Now fully endorses the Fate wagon, so secret explanation is dropped.

Nothing is wrong with an early stage wagon, MPR reacted horribly to it. Far more interested in attacking his attackers then defending against any points.

Strongly believes there's a hider that should be targeting the SB holder.

I fail to see how this is a tell.

New reason for voting MPR: MPR put Mafia SSK down for hammering? No, he asked if SSK knew it was a hammer >.>. Misrep.

It was a slight attack, not strong but it can be interpreted as an early step to using the sudden SSK-hammer as future casefodder

Doesn't trust my reads, and that's why Furry hesitated town voting me? But Furry does trust the reads of kocc, Stelz, Paltry...?

I think you arent the most useful player in the world, and I do not trust your reads at all, but there are some small reasons to think you are town. I will never townvote you though before a massclaim given a few recent things. Also yes, I still think kocc and stelz are town. I like thier reads a whole lot more then yours.

"A doctor would've been an idiot to be on you N1."
This is coming from the same person who absolutely refused to townvote Fate until the very end...

I was not overexcited with Fate getting the smashball. Also what would you call a doctor protecting the NK-immune player?

MPR overhammered? No, MPR HAMMERED. He didn't ignore diddin the whole time, either... In fact, MPR votes him for his claim in post #19...

He voted him for the picture he put up. Shameless/stupid wagon if I ever saw one.

Furry believes gandalf is Jester. Then Mafia. Then BP. If gandalf is mafia, then why would he be trying to get lynched? Wouldn't that suggest that something nasty would happen if we lynched him, meaning we should vig him instead? I still don't understand Furry's reasoning for lynching him, whether he's telling the truth or not... >.>

Seriously? If he is Jester, the half-scum is taken out of the picture. If he is mafia, mafia dies. If he is BP, it doesnt activate. If we vigged him, he loses as jester, mafia still dies, but BP activates. I am not going to risk stopping a jester from winning against allowing scum two straight nights.

Furry interactions with diddin:

ISO 0:
Vote Kirby, FoS diddin
(Vote townie, FoS partner?)

ISO 7:
Calls diddin a good lynch.

ISO 9:
Calls diddin a good lynch.

diddin interactions with Furry:

ISO #13: Calls Furry townier than Fate.

I didnt think diddin was the best lynch. There were scummier people out there to me and I acted accordingly. I was happy enough with his lynch, but if I had kingmaker powers he wouldnt have been lynched. Also of course diddin is going to call me townier when I am showing no signs of wanting to SB him above everyone else.

mothrax (0):
Pikachu (0):
CSL (0):
manho (1): Furry
MehPlusRawr (0):
palmetrou (0):
Fate (1): Bunnylover
Stels (0):
Kirbyoshi (0):
Nachomamma8 (0):
xVEZOKNERx (0):
mongoose (2): Kirbyoshi, mothrax
Bunnylover (4): tanstalas, manho, mongoose, Fate
Furry (1): Nachomamma8
Chronopie (0):
tanstalas (0):
SharkFinn (0):

Not Voting (1): Everyone Else






mothrax (1): mothrax
CSL (0):
manho (1): manho
MehPlusRawr (0):
palmetrou (1): Furry
Stels (0):
Kirbyoshi (3): Fate, Kirbyoshi, Nachomamma8
xVEZOKNERx (0):
mongoose (0):
Bunnylover (0):
Furry (0):
Chronopie (0):
tanstalas (0):
SharkFinn (0):

Not Voting (3): Everyone else

Holding off is better incase a claim happens, like what happened with pikachu yesterday.

The fact that you never explained your little theory is what makes it scummy. Since you never explained your theory, it seems more likely to me that you were just reaching for reasons not the townvote fate as opposed to you even having a theory in the first place.

Paltry brought up that double lynch was bad, not good. MPR was the lucky winner due to being scummy apart from that suggestion.

No. He didn't. I'll bring up the quote if need be, but you're 100% wrong here.

Nothing is wrong with an early stage wagon, MPR reacted horribly to it. Far more interested in attacking his attackers then defending against any points.

Show me one point he could defend against when he originally attacked mongoose.

It was a slight attack, not strong but it can be interpreted as an early step to using the sudden SSK-hammer as future casefodder

No. It was question whose answer would've been useful to know.

I think you arent the most useful player in the world, and I do not trust your reads at all, but there are some small reasons to think you are town. I will never townvote you though before a massclaim given a few recent things. Also yes, I still think kocc and stelz are town. I like thier reads a whole lot more then yours.

Odd. The only reads they've given are mongoose is scum, and you're town. And you've never said ANYTHING about mongoose being scum, so I'm assuming you didn't try to give them the smash ball because you knew they wouldn't shoot you... right?

He voted him for the picture he put up. Shameless/stupid wagon if I ever saw one.

MPR explained himself in ISO #30, which I find to be good enough reasoning. He thought diddin was fakeclaiming because he got a picture of a photobucket that wasn't Ani's...

Well, I'll be re-reading tomorrow.

Going to be semi-V/LA over the next week, I have a group presentation to work on. posting this across all games.

Chronopie wrote:Going to be semi-V/LA over the next week, I have a group presentation to work on. posting this across all games.

[off-topic] you are in all my 3 games? i'm tempted to vote you here to make all my 3 votes on you.[/off-topic]