TM2012: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[Equinox]

Vote Count 3.01

Matias (2) - Johhog, SocioPath
Nachomamma8 (2) - Zachrulez, singersigner

Not Voting (5) - Benmage, Bub Bidderskins, Captain Falcon, Matias, Nachomamma8

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Tuesday, June 19, 2012, at 11:30 PM EDT (UTC-4).

[Bub Bidderskins]

The one thing that makes me lean town on nacho is llamarble's interaction with TSQ D-1. One of the main reasons I thought Llamarble was scum was his wagon hop onto TSQ.

[Zachrulez]

The one thing that makes me lean town on nacho is llamarble's interaction with TSQ D-1. One of the main reasons I thought Llamarble was scum was his wagon hop onto TSQ.

That interaction is worthless because Llamarble backed off that read later and called the wagon horrible. It's important to consider that he did this in a situation where his Amrun vote was key to making her lynch viable.

When you look at interactions you need to look at whether the interaction you are seeing is one where a player actually wants to see another lynched. In Llamarble/Nacho, you never see that, from either side.

[Benmage]

Glad I'm conftown now... though wrong on both CES and llama

[singersigner]

This disappoints me. GET THE FUCK IN HERE EVERYONE AND VOTE FOR NACHO KTHX.

[Zachrulez]

This disappoints me. GET THE FUCK IN HERE EVERYONE AND VOTE FOR NACHO KTHX.

Sadly I can't do it more than once...

[Captain Falcon]

What are the main points against Nacho? I personally find Matias more likely to be scum than Nacho.

VOTE: Matias

[Zachrulez]

Strange. Sotty made a comment in our team QT about liking Johhog's Matias vote which indicates that she also likes Matias for scum. Personally I don't get it.

[Captain Falcon]

I personally think it has to do with his voting.

More in a little bit.

[Matias]

Vote: Matias

Llamarble being scum really seals the fate of Matias.
His responses yesterday were also so, so terrible.
Boiled down to 'what I did before is irrelevant and my shit doesn't stink.'
And the even better 'you are calling me scum with this guy other guy but you vote this other guy why no so back off on me.'

I'm still waiting for an answer on that, why did the read on me magically disappear? Your post seemed dead set on me being scum and then, poof.

I'm also confused about how Llamarble being scum seals me being scum. The cases on him were semi-weak and I simply didn't believe he was scum at the time. You're acting like I would be this obvious as scum, and do you really think so?

[Zachrulez]

Well kill analysis seems to indicate it's not him unless he likes killing people that have town reads on him. I just don't see it. (I do see his play being weak and disappointing, but I just don't think it's because he's scum.)

[Matias]

I'm also sorry I haven't been around a ton. I've been a diablo addict (and I've traveled to three different cities in the past month @_@)

[Zachrulez]

Oh and Matias, now that you're here, who's scum?

[Captain Falcon]

Zach, CES was fairly obvtown after the Llmarble flipped.

[Matias]

Oh and Matias, now that you're here, who's scum?

I said I wasn't too sure. My read on Benmage weakened after that flip because my read on Llamarble was so cloudy, and people saw something that I didn't.

I honestly think Socio has been putting down easy stance votes. I don't like how he expected his vote on me/Bub to go -anywhere-.

[Matias]

Sorry, hit submit because I just woke up. fweh.

So if anyone, probably him, but my reads have been kind of shit this game.

[Captain Falcon]

Sorry, hit submit because I just woke up. fweh.

So if anyone, probably him, but my reads have been kind of shit this game.

Yup.

You're scum.

He makes this comment about Socio's "easy" vote on Bub when Matias had an "easy" vote on SingerSinger.

What did Matias do after easy voting Singer?

He unvoted and then never placed a vote again, after 6 vote counts.

Until Llmarble died.

[Matias]

Sorry, hit submit because I just woke up. fweh.

So if anyone, probably him, but my reads have been kind of shit this game.

Yup.

You're scum.

He makes this comment about Socio's "easy" vote on Bub when Matias had an "easy" vote on SingerSinger.

What did Matias do after easy voting Singer?

He unvoted and then never placed a vote again, after 6 vote counts.

Until Llmarble died.

singer's an easy vote? I remember I had to fight against a ton of people to try to get someone to see on my level, and I've since backed off because she wasn't a viable lynch at the time + she backed off on her read on TSQ/Nacho since his catchup.

[Matias]

I still haven't placed a vote down, by the way.

[Zachrulez]

Sorry, hit submit because I just woke up. fweh.

So if anyone, probably him, but my reads have been kind of shit this game.

Yup.

You're scum.

He makes this comment about Socio's "easy" vote on Bub when Matias had an "easy" vote on SingerSinger.

What did Matias do after easy voting Singer?

He unvoted and then never placed a vote again, after 6 vote counts.

Until Llmarble died.

Got that part in iso. Probably the strongest argument in favor of Matias scum, but I'm not sure how strongly I feel about it. I was kinda hoping for something in elaboration that I missed.

[Zachrulez]

singer's an easy vote? I remember I had to fight against a ton of people to try to get someone to see on my level, and I've since backed off because she wasn't a viable lynch at the time + she backed off on her read on TSQ/Nacho since his catchup.

Why would her backing off TSQ/Nacho be a reason to think she's less likely scum? (Not being viable certainly isn't a reason for backing off of thinking she is.)

I am interested in particular because that's where her interest is right now.

[Matias]

singer's an easy vote? I remember I had to fight against a ton of people to try to get someone to see on my level, and I've since backed off because she wasn't a viable lynch at the time + she backed off on her read on TSQ/Nacho since his catchup.

Why would her backing off TSQ/Nacho be a reason to think she's less likely scum? (Not being viable certainly isn't a reason for backing off of thinking she is.)

I am interested in particular because that's where her interest is right now.

I realize that she's voted Nacho today.

Remember that my case on her was that she didn't care whether TSQ replaced out or not but she would rather see him hang regardless, which I saw as her attacking the player, not the slot (I didn't believe TSQ's actions meant him being scum). After Nacho replaced and he caught up, she unvoted.

Today, she's voting for a different reason, which I think is completely valid given that Nacho was a big part of Day 2's back and forth. I don't fault her for that.

[Matias]

I'm also not saying she's explicitly town; I'm saying my reads are fucked.

[Zachrulez]

I'm also not saying she's explicitly town; I'm saying my reads are fucked.

Which is not a good excuse to not have any reads now.

[Captain Falcon]

CES is a strange kill.

My list of suspects is extremely low. Just Benmage, and that's not even too strong after that flip (purely doubt of my own reads).

I'll wait for everyone to check in I suppose with their reads. I'm lost.

CES was not a strange kill. In fact I would have expected Zach, CES, or Ben to die given the fact that they were all likely to be confirmed town and just another obstacle for scum to overcome/manipulate.

Your statement of waiting for everyone to check in with their reads says to me "Well, I don't really have any good suspects anymore, might as well wait for the next opportunity lynch to present itself"

You're already laying the groundwork for a mislynch on Sociopath as seen in this post below.

Oh and Matias, now that you're here, who's scum?

I said I wasn't too sure. My read on Benmage weakened after that flip because my read on Llamarble was so cloudy, and people saw something that I didn't.

I honestly think Socio has been putting down easy stance votes. I don't like how he expected his vote on me/Bub to go -anywhere-.