↑Chevre wrote:Additionally, T-Bone's rebuttal to Luffy makes a good point, but they are not the only perpetrators; about a kajillion players in this game have hopped on wagons with little to no reason.
That is pretty much my point. If that's Luffy's reasoning for voting me (or anyone else for that matter), then he needs to put his vote on some other players first. Namely the ones who bandwagon
without
scumhunting.
Calling someone out for bandwagoning is stupid when we need a really high TEN to lynch. There HAS TO BE a bandwagon in order for a lynch to go through. So start voting for someone who isn't bandwagoning Luffy or just GTFO of the thread because you have demonstrated zero interest in catching scum.
MattP wrote:Actually, let's do this and get this fucking day over with
VOTE: Luffy
Fine by me. I'm 100% not scum with Luffy, and 100% town, but if you can agree with me on the first part of that Matt I'll be happy for now. Nothing of Luffy screams terribly townie of me. Let me grab some ISO besides those votes from a post ago.
Post #580 for example, I ask Luffy to grab an ISO of herself scumhunting. What does Luffy do? Grab a quote from me, and grab a quote from Kairyuu in response. Funny how I respond to you with CONTENT Luffy and you dodged one of my first questions I asked of you.
Post #1025 where he talks about my opportunistic votes. Nevermind Luffy's opportunistic votes (which include the ones I quoted before and then hoping to UN when that one started getting steam.) I think I see the difference now. MY votes are opportunistic because they resulted in a lynch. Your votes are NOT opportunistic because UN and I haven't been lynched yet. GOTCHA.
Hold on, I grabbed some choice ISO quotes too which don't work for me. I'm inclined to think Luffy is ONE of the anti-town people on my wagon. I will get through scumhunting my wagon yet!
Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 4:28 pm
by T-Bone
↑Luffy wrote:You know what would be really fun? If we just hammer with no claim
Brilliant scumhunting Luffy! (I believe this was in reference to the RedFF wagon early in the day.
↑Luffy wrote:Techno, thoughts on Milk please. And why you decided to first say that moneybags is scummy, then say that you think Milk is more scummy, but still end up voting money.
I'm kinda confused here. Luffy never mentioned Milk ONCE before this post. And he tells me I pull my reads from random.org...Is this your way of asking "Can I safely jump on this wagon?"
↑Luffy wrote:I'm still interested in lynching UberNinja. Also, my gut has been telling me SpyreX is town when I see him post, but I haven't really looked much into it.
Spy is town, until he starts calling me town, at which point he becomes my scumbuddy around page 46.
↑Luffy wrote:Just checked activity. We only have 45 posters including the mod out of a total 51.
Anyways, I think I'll hop back on the UberNinja wagon. The T-bone wagon looks like it's going to go nowhere.
VOTE: UberNinja
Another example of Luffy sticking to his scumhunting guns! Oh no wait, it seems I'm being silly again. This is an example of Luffy being opportunistic. He isn't getting my lynch anymore, rather than strengthen his "top" scumread, he joins another wagon.
↑redFF wrote:Look at some of the smaller wagons e.g Milk/uberninja. If you're town you should jump on a slower forming wagon because all the fast forming wagons will inevitably be scum led.
Yes, or the T-bone/spyrex ones.
But really, look at the T-bone wagon. All of the votes are leftover votes and/or votes with no justification
. Infact, if T-bone flips scum, Trollie is almost confimed scum. Theamatuer would look very bad also, for vote-sitting. He is justifying the vote now with something different than the first time when he voted him a while ago, so his vote is now looking like a lazy attempt at distancing. Right now, I honestly think that a T-bone lynch would help us out the most, and he is suspicious as hell.
Wait, so here Luffy is flat out saying "The people on the T-Bone wagon are voting him for crap reasons"....but lo and behold he jumps back on later with the first sign that my lynch starts again. Can you say OPPORTUNISTIC with me Luffy?
↑Luffy wrote:Well, that post went pretty horrible Let's try this again:
Agree with petapan (if I'm reading his post correctley), I promise that I will jump on that wagon at some point, but I really don't see the energy for it atm.
And that's 2/3rds of his Iso. The rest is fluff.
Just more promises from Luffy saying that he intends to be opportunistic. If we run Elmo up right now, Luffy is free to jump on that wagon too.
So Luffy, since your reasoning for voting me comes down to "random.org reads" which I just quoted you pulling a random one out on Milk to try and test support for his wagon. And you're voting me for being opportunistic, when in fact you've been much more opportunistic than I have.
Who hasn't voted Luffy yet? Because they should.
Vote: Luffy
I feel pretty good about this one. Gotta look at the other seven people on my wagon though.
Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 4:36 pm
by T-Bone
Theamtuer's ISO.
To his credit, he's listed as the first person on my wagon, though that may be due to Matt and Peta jumping on and off.
Post #585 I asked him to point out posts of his where he scumhunts. He selects 4 posts, none of which contain any actual scumhunting. Okay maybe #152 is productive, I'll be nice and give that one to him. The first one he selected was policy voting Chesskid, the second one was him commenting that only 17 players posted, and the 4th one was him voting me.
I'm not going to quote his fluff. A bunch of posts echo other players, he has one original thought in #821, but that's about it. Then of course the last few posts were "lets mislynch T-Bone" and "T-Bone claim" eventhough to that point I claimed VT twice.
Probably not scum. Nothing glaring like Luffy's ISO. At least he's consistent with his lack of content. And he isn't pulling reads out of his ass or being opportunistic. To his credit he hasn't waviered off my wagon to lynch someone else. So Theamatuer if your town, you should remove your vote from me please.
Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 4:38 pm
by MattP
Cool, T-bone's vote on Luffy seems town. I am happy. More Luffy votes please.
Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 4:42 pm
by UberNinja
this luffy thing seems scum-driven
as in, t-bone/spyrex driven
just saiyan
Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 4:45 pm
by T-Bone
Trollie's
Post #273 he quotes a bunch of BBmolla and says he's scummy.
↑TheTrollie wrote:BB is also high on my scum list:
bbmolla is scummy to you but you're lynching redff for being a "spammer"
yes...my scum list is nowhere near strong enough yet to vote based on my weak scum reads. spammers cloud our ability to make scum reads, i want them out first
But there's this. BBmolla is stronger scumread than RedFF but he wants to policy lynch RedFF anyway. (he voted him in another post) I can respect him not voting anyone if he says "I'm not confident in my reads yet" but no, he has a vote on RedFF, which isn't explained much.
But in post #567 he throws out any notion of BBmolla, and votes me because...and this is the kicker, he quotes a post where I ask for a voting block to be formed, and then quotes another post where I propose a voting block. What have I done here exactly to earn your vote anyway Trollie? It seems like you spent more time forming a read on BBmolla than me. Oh, hey trollie, what about BBmolla?
↑TheTrollie wrote:lots to read up on...still like my T-bone vote. Waiting till he is back from V/LA to respond to these questions
I'm sorry, what questions? The questions you DIDN'T ask?
Trollie has no redeeming qualities. Luffy is one, I think Trollie is also one of the scum on my wagon.
Oh hey UberNinja, thanks for coming in and continuing not to scumhunt. I appreciate the effort. You're on my wagon too right? Good I got time for one more ISO, and since you have no content to speak of, it shouldn't take long.
↑UberNinja wrote:i'm saying what the oracle would say were she here: you need to make up your damn mind
what you are saying is inconsistent and thus puts you on *my* witch burning list
Unvote; Vote: Luffy
Hey look, Luffy is a scumread! Uberninja, why the heck are you even voting me then?
↑UberNinja wrote:Ok, I've done an extensive re-read of the game, and here are my reads on everyone:
Spoiler:
In
this
game? YEAH RIGHT
...admit it, you totally fell for it.
And here are the correlations between possible scum pairs/trios based on my reads:
Spoiler:
The fact that you even
opened
this spoiler speaks poorly to your adaptive learning skills.
On the bright side though, it might say something good about your sense of humor!
Oh look, UN trolling. Great effort there UN!
↑UberNinja wrote:i'm not town because i'm not trying? hahhahahahahahahahaha
I'm glad you finally realized it. Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.
↑UberNinja wrote:also, damn you guys for making me put effort into this game.
i was hoping i could slither around and bite people all day without anyone getting their panties in a twist but noooooooo
Oh man, UN complaining that we expect him to pretend to be town. Nah UN if you want to play against your scum win condition by being terrible, you have the right.
It's at this point about a 1000 posts in the game that UN starts pretending to be town by randomly quoting shit and commenting.
But then there is post #1095, where he quotes Luffy's quote of me being "opportunistic" (if you recall the difference between me being opportunistic and Luffy being opportunistic is that my votes have been on lynches that have gone through) and decides to agree with his scumread to hop onto my bandwagon.
Is it scum driven because you're not on the wagon anymore? Remember Luffy was a UN scumread and nothing from UN's posts indicates he ever stopped thinking that Luffy was scum.
UN is scum #3 on my wagon. I can't decide if he's in the same faction as Luffy or not though. Jury's out on that one. UN if Luffy is not your scumbuddy and a legit scumread you should put your vote back there. I can understand if he's your scumbuddy and you were fake bussing earlier. If that's the case please leave your vote on me. I'd hate for you to jeopardize your win condition by lynching a scumbuddy on Day 1.
I'll get to the other ISO's later. I'm exhausted and ignored another game for this...
Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 5:21 pm
by Ellibereth
someone has way too many words on one page
Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 5:22 pm
by Staeg
↑Ellibereth wrote:someone has way too many words on one page
CC, Elmo and Spyrex, all much better lynches than T-Bone.
T-Bone lynch should not be happening.
Unvote
Vote: CC
Would rather an Elmo or Spyrex lynch, but CC is MUCH better than T-Bone.
Staeg, did you reply to my post yet?
Gotta run to uni. Again, mod, votecount please.
Nope - that'll happen about 6 hours from now.
Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 6:01 pm
by syndromeofadown
Spyrex could be buddying or trying to build false connections to t-bone and his "I don't care if you lynch me" is just to fuck with the town. At least that would be my explanation for spyrex-scum/t-bone town, but my reads of those players are mostly independent of each other.
CC, Elmo and Spyrex, all much better lynches than T-Bone.
T-Bone lynch should not be happening.
Unvote
Vote: CC
Would rather an Elmo or Spyrex lynch, but CC is MUCH better than T-Bone.
Staeg, did you reply to my post yet?
Gotta run to uni. Again, mod, votecount please.
Come on the fucking let's go 1v1
VOTE: Techno
Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:06 pm
by Elmo TeH AzN
↑Chevre wrote:Okay. You have my attention. Now why did you want it?
That Negative Nancy mentality isn't going to help additionally.
And that italicized line: it doesn't sound like something a town-sided player would say.
So you can get my wagon rolling. At this fucking point it's all mudslinging back and forth this day needs to end
Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:17 pm
by manho
t-bone is still not scum.
elmo should be the lynch, but i will not oppose to CC lynch.
not reading. too tired.
will read muffin later, maybe during the night. he is leaning scum now. not sure though.
↑UberNinja wrote:do you think spyrex is scum and t-bone is town, techno?
if so, what the hell are you thinking?
I SUSPECT Spyrex could be scum.
I SUSPECT T-Bone could be town.
Spyrex may be being sincere and honest, but I suspect its a buddying ploy, as a lot of the suspected townies don't like the T-Bone lynch. That being said, ANYONE who doesn't like the T-Bone lynch could be accused of buddying; so to clarify, I am not accusing Spyrex of buddying and calling him scummy for it, merely that it is little sign that both have to be town or both scum. It shows little of either's alignment, really.
@ Elmo: Cut the shit. Your behaving scummy and you know it. If you are actually town and want to be acknowledged for it, then stop the scummy crap. If you are scum, keep doing it, you will be lynched soon enough.
Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 10:16 pm
by Mastermind of Sin
Still here, still not reading.
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:13 am
by Luffy
Oh for fucks sake T-bone Nice OMGUS analysis there. No really, you deserve some kind of medal for doing it so unsubtly.
"Here, let me take all the people on my wagon... AND CALL THEM SCUM! LOL, super awesome scum-hunting skills!"
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 2:21 am
by TeChNoWC
↑Luffy wrote:Oh for fucks sake T-bone Nice OMGUS analysis there. No really, you deserve some kind of medal for doing it so unsubtly.
"Here, let me take all the people on my wagon... AND CALL THEM SCUM! LOL, super awesome scum-hunting skills!"
Let's try this again:
Nice OMGUS analysis there. No really, you deserve some kind of medal for doing it so unsubtly.