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In post 1172, Selkies wrote:Why are you drawing attention to a small speech habit in the manner in which I ask my questions

Do you have something you would like to say

And what is your second scum read, after thAd

The something I would like to say is “English isn’t your first/primary language is it?” but eh.

Demon. I know you’ve said in the past that demon is reading town to you but I really don’t see it.

In post 1173, Selkies wrote:And fery and I both have more experience with you than the other head and I believe she's played with you substantially

and I'm pretty sure you just dodged that question with a "lol shit man you don't know me/haven't played with me enough" which is scummy as all hell

Fery has played with me the exact same number of games as you have. So I’m not sure where you got that idea.

I'm not seeing how I "dodged" that question but by all means, you can ask for clarity on it. You're wrong, because I still want to win. If the way I've chosen to play this hydra makes me look scummy, so be it. This is my first shot at playing a hydra and I'm really restraining myself because I've seen what a mess a hydra that can't keep its shit togetehr does to threads.

you have not been interacting with demon, just threw a scum read in his direction and called it a day

i don't find that town-cabd

English isn't my first language thanks for asking. i hope it are not too un-understandable

yeah soz, fery had mafia convos with you and that's what I'm thinking about

why did you PR claim

In post 1174, Selkies wrote:oh yeah and

11:51 "I am playing differently because I am a PR and I worry about being NK'd more"
11:51 "I am now going to softclaim PR while I'm at it for virtually no effect"

Ummm, okay? Are these timestamps your time or something?

Either way, I'd been hoping to avoid having to reveal anything. I don't get this player base's "Oh I'm playing so bad I can't be scum" logic, and to be honest it urts my brain.

I'm going to work now, orci. I'll be back in like... 2 or 3 hours, I hope you'll still be awake by then yeah? If not I guess I can talk to ffery.

P-edit: I PR claimed because my role makes me pretty darn sure Thad is scum, and I don't want a scum lynch to fall apart in the last 24 hours.

What's there to interact with, Demon's idea of a response is to just toss an insult and go back to lurking.

Also we do not think you are reacting appropriately to the bad situation that town is in right now

we might be disagreeing on that issue

In post 1166, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Selkies, there’s a reason I’ve been on Thad the entire day. My role gives me reason to not believe his claim. I really didn’t want to reveal anything, but that’s how it is. His “and something else” could clarify it, or make it even more damning, I dunno.

You can ask GC about his SOO case, because in case you’ve forgotten, I wasn’t all for it.

I did meta-dive Iece, but his play here has been seen in both his town game and his scum game. Would you like to discuss it?

Yeah, you were the one on milkshake. And not alone in that.

In post 1175, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:I'm not seeing how I "dodged" that question but by all means, you can ask for clarity on it. You're wrong, because I still want to win. If the way I've chosen to play this hydra makes me look scummy, so be it. This is my first shot at playing a hydra and I'm really restraining myself because I've seen what a mess a hydra that can't keep its shit togetehr does to threads.

Let's not talk about Squared. :/

In post 1178, Selkies wrote:Also we do not think you are reacting appropriately to the bad situation that town is in right now

^^ that was orcinus. From my perspective, if what you say, that your role makes you sure that ThAd is lyning, then working to get him lynched is the pro-town thing to do. What we're having trouble with is your tone - yours, not so much GC's. And I can see where being unexpectedly called out when the front-guy is not around would be disconcerting. But, it happens and as part of a hydra you have to roll with it.

GC said something about lynching MsM next if ThAd turns out to be town. This worries me given that you're saying you have reason to feel sure ThAd is scum.

Deadline's fast approaching, Selkies, and I don't think you're getting GCBC today.

ThAd delenda est.

In post 1163, Selkies wrote:Nero sums it up pretty well. I like neither of the main wagons, nor the Demon wagon. If I had an idea for a better lynch I would be pushing it.

And yet you are blasting me for "sidelining my vote"? WTF is this shit?

In post 1184, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 1163, Selkies wrote:Nero sums it up pretty well. I like neither of the main wagons, nor the Demon wagon. If I had an idea for a better lynch I would be pushing it.

And yet you are blasting me for "sidelining my vote"? WTF is this shit?

Blasting? No. I've said I get where your vote is coming from given our prior interactions. I think this game is going to be my baseline for future games with you.

Your post from earlier this morning captured a lot of my frustrations about this game day.

Back from the “quaint” library I was servicing. You still here to talk, selkies?

In post 1178, Selkies wrote:Also we do not think you are reacting appropriately to the bad situation that town is in right now

While mislynching day one was indeed bad, I fail to see how that makes it a bad situation we’re in. We’re going to lynch scum in Thad today.

In post 1179, Selkies wrote:we might be disagreeing on that issue

Well you’re both welcome to talk to me about it.

In post 1180, Selkies wrote:

In post 1166, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Selkies, there’s a reason I’ve been on Thad the entire day. My role gives me reason to not believe his claim. I really didn’t want to reveal anything, but that’s how it is. His “and something else” could clarify it, or make it even more damning, I dunno.

You can ask GC about his SOO case, because in case you’ve forgotten, I wasn’t all for it.

I did meta-dive Iece, but his play here has been seen in both his town game and his scum game. Would you like to discuss it?

Yeah, you were the one on milkshake. And not alone in that.

In post 1175, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:I'm not seeing how I "dodged" that question but by all means, you can ask for clarity on it. You're wrong, because I still want to win. If the way I've chosen to play this hydra makes me look scummy, so be it. This is my first shot at playing a hydra and I'm really restraining myself because I've seen what a mess a hydra that can't keep its shit togetehr does to threads.

Let's not talk about Squared. :/

What about milkshake? Milkshake was playing like scum, and it surprised the hell out of me to see her(?) flip town.

Also I thought you might pick up on the squred reference.

In post 1181, Selkies wrote:

In post 1178, Selkies wrote:Also we do not think you are reacting appropriately to the bad situation that town is in right now

^^ that was orcinus. From my perspective, if what you say, that your role makes you sure that ThAd is lyning, then working to get him lynched is the pro-town thing to do. What we're having trouble with is your tone - yours, not so much GC's. And I can see where being unexpectedly called out when the front-guy is not around would be disconcerting. But, it happens and as part of a hydra you have to roll with it.

Yeah, it feels weird. But it’s okay. I can switch it up to chatting with you like this.

In post 1181, Selkies wrote: GC said something about lynching MsM next if ThAd turns out to be town. This worries me given that you're saying you have reason to feel sure ThAd is scum.

Our specific role interacts with the game state such that it’s impossible in our eyes for the setup to make sense with both a pseudo self-watching commuter and a dreamwalking doctor to make sense. Thad’s makes a lot less sense than Mara’s, hence the vote and his insistence, however, in the case of thad flipping town, our role all but 100% confirms mara is scum. I’d rather not fullclaim but I will if I have to. There’s a good reason I’m not suspicious of amrun, too. Her claim makes perfect sense given my rolecard.

Actually when he gets back he’s probably gonna be pissed that I even mentioned our role.

I'll be around in about a half hour. Will digest this and reply then.

In post 1186, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Back from the “quaint” library I was servicing. You still here to talk, selkies?

In post 1178, Selkies wrote:Also we do not think you are reacting appropriately to the bad situation that town is in right now

While mislynching day one was indeed bad, I fail to see how that makes it a bad situation we’re in. We’re going to lynch scum in Thad today.

You are much more sanguine about today's lynch than I am.

In post 1179, Selkies wrote:we might be disagreeing on that issue

Well you’re both welcome to talk to me about it.

In post 1180, Selkies wrote:

In post 1166, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Selkies, there’s a reason I’ve been on Thad the entire day. My role gives me reason to not believe his claim. I really didn’t want to reveal anything, but that’s how it is. His “and something else” could clarify it, or make it even more damning, I dunno.

You can ask GC about his SOO case, because in case you’ve forgotten, I wasn’t all for it.

I did meta-dive Iece, but his play here has been seen in both his town game and his scum game. Would you like to discuss it?

Yeah, you were the one on milkshake. And not alone in that.

In post 1175, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:I'm not seeing how I "dodged" that question but by all means, you can ask for clarity on it. You're wrong, because I still want to win. If the way I've chosen to play this hydra makes me look scummy, so be it. This is my first shot at playing a hydra and I'm really restraining myself because I've seen what a mess a hydra that can't keep its shit togetehr does to threads.

Let's not talk about Squared. :/

What about milkshake? Milkshake was playing like scum, and it surprised the hell out of me to see her(?) flip town.

That flip did not surprise me. Not after the 24 hours prior to deadline.

But how about your iece meta?

Also I thought you might pick up on the squred reference.

Squared was the most obvious, but not the only possible reference. :/

In post 1181, Selkies wrote:

In post 1178, Selkies wrote:Also we do not think you are reacting appropriately to the bad situation that town is in right now

^^ that was orcinus. From my perspective, if what you say, that your role makes you sure that ThAd is lyning, then working to get him lynched is the pro-town thing to do. What we're having trouble with is your tone - yours, not so much GC's. And I can see where being unexpectedly called out when the front-guy is not around would be disconcerting. But, it happens and as part of a hydra you have to roll with it.

Yeah, it feels weird. But it’s okay. I can switch it up to chatting with you like this.

In post 1181, Selkies wrote: GC said something about lynching MsM next if ThAd turns out to be town. This worries me given that you're saying you have reason to feel sure ThAd is scum.

Our specific role interacts with the game state such that it’s impossible in our eyes for the setup to make sense with both a pseudo self-watching commuter and a dreamwalking doctor to make sense. Thad’s makes a lot less sense than Mara’s, hence the vote and his insistence, however, in the case of thad flipping town, our role all but 100% confirms mara is scum. I’d rather not fullclaim but I will if I have to. There’s a good reason I’m not suspicious of amrun, too. Her claim makes perfect sense given my rolecard.

Ok. This makes a little more sense of that insistence that if one isn't scum the other must be. But, can you see why it looked like setting up lynches in the same post where setting up lynches was described as scummy?

Actually when he gets back he’s probably gonna be pissed that I even mentioned our role.

I need to look back through your convo with orcinus. I don't remember who your next pick for scum was. How many are in your scumpile right now?

You are much more sanguine about today's lynch than I am.

Well, to be fair, I have a role card that allows me to be pretty damn confident.

But how about your iece meta?

Did you want to talk about that now? Orci didn’t seem to care.

Squared was the most obvious, but not the only possible reference. :/

:~) Squared isn’t alone in that achievement by any means though.

Ok. This makes a little more sense of that insistence that if one isn't scum the other must be. But, can you see why it looked like setting up lynches in the same post where setting up lynches was described as scummy?

Yeah, if I step back not knowing what I know, I can see how you’d see it that way.

I need to look back through your convo with orcinus. I don't remember who your next pick for scum was. How many are in your scumpile right now?

Two. Thad and Demon. Pretty sure games of 13 players are either 10/3 or 10/2/1 so I guess the night will sort that all out. I'm not sure who the third one might be yet, still thinking it out. I don't see it being you or Amrun, that's for sure.

In post 1189, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:Did you want to talk about that now? Orci didn’t seem to care.

Yes I do.

UNVOTE: GCBC

VOTE: ThAd

We can run them one by one if you're cool with that. Which game would you like to start at? The one you mentioned prior?

Mini 881?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=12697

881, iece was town, let's compare then.

The first thing I noticed - and this is without actually reading - is just the density of the posts in this game compared to that one. Far more paragraph/multi paragraph posts in this game than in 881. When you get into the text itself, he's much more humorous and conversational in the other game. Which could be attributable to the player lists. Lots of EBWOPs in that game, too, which suggests a townish lack of rereading and rethinking before hitting the submit button.

OTOH catch-up posts are usually longer, and he had some catch-up periods in this game.

First up, average post length. Town-iece had mostly shorter posts that game. The average length was a paragraph or two.

The striking thing from his ISO was how hesitant to vote he was. Five votes the entire game by my count. That's pretty damn consistant with his play here.

Do you see what I mean there?



Because honestly this game is kinda making his townmeta apparent, and I'd like to work on his scum games instead.

P-edit: We're thinking alike, but I do note a lot of his longer posts here are flavor speculation, I seem to recall him orifessing to be a huge fan of the flavor in quesiton here.

Okay now this is interesting. Go check out Mainstream Mafia.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=25981

Now, without spoilering yourself, take a guess when he went from town aligned to cult, given his ISO.

Also Gay mafia II http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=24354

He replaced in around page 18 or so. Did some catch up posts.

I'll switch over to mainstream and come back to this one.

Okay. We can read each other's and compare notes.